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GOD said:
NOH would want Camby because he only has one more year after this one where as Okafor has 3 more. Camby I believe has an opt out, and I can't see him wanting to stay in NOH so they cut salary that way. Also, there is a very good chance that he would take some sort of a buy out immediately that would save Shinn even more money. The fact is that every player they are sending has big contracts and to take them off their hands we need to send back some large contracts also. But even with Camby they would save a lot of money both immediately and in the future.
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Camby isn't going to get another 11Million guaranteed. Especially with the new CBA coming up. No way he opts out. (Does he even have an opt out clause?)
 
Nikolokolus said:
"Go big or go home."

Standing pat is no guarantee of a championship either (in fact I'd wager it almost guarantees no championship). I'd rather go all in and gamble that Paul (in tandem with Roy and some other pretty good players) is the missing piece that makes us a true championship contender than stall out at the perennial "pretty good team" level; consistently getting into the second round or maybe even the WCF if we're lucky but probably never getting over the hump because we lack enough truly elite level talent.

If Paul leaves in free agency in two years because this team couldn't get over the hump then I'd rather endure another rebuilding period while Lebron, Bosh and Wade are dominating the league for seven years knowing that at least the Blazers went for it, instead of always wondering "what if"
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We'd definitely be going all in if we were to trade for Chris Paul. We'd be trying to win it all right now. But to that end, I wouldn't trade Oden since I view a healthy Oden as the piece that would be needed to get us past teams like LA/Miami. Without him, I don't think our all-in gamble would pay off. A healthy Oden/CP3 combo seems like a match made in heaven.

And personally, I don't think it's necessary. I think we can 'Go Big' & put together the best package without including him.
 
B-Roy said:
Camby isn't going to get another 11Million guaranteed. Especially with the new CBA coming up. No way he opts out. (Does he even have an opt out clause?)
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No. But he does have some complicated incentives built into his contract. His guaranteed salary is 17 million for the next two years, with up to 7 million in additional salary if he hits his milestones.

http://shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/blazers.jsp (hover over his name for details)
 
maxiep said:
I love the idea of splitting up the trades to give Shinn more money, but the NBA views that as circumvention (according to Storyteller).
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yes, agreed... I tried tha route before in a GS trade idea and ST spoke up about that
 
maxiep said:
I love the idea of splitting up the trades to give Shinn more money, but the NBA views that as circumvention (according to Storyteller).
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thanks for the update. Except that in the past there have been big deals structured as separate trades. So, what is that all about?
 
RoyToy said:
If Cho wouldn't include Batum he should be fired on the spot.

Batum is nice, but I don't think his ceiling is nearly as high as some here would lead you to believe. Not too mention we're talking about Chris Paul.
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For once, I agree with you big time.

With that said I think the only way we get Paul is you have to give up both Oden and Batum to beat other teams offers. It sucks, but it is very likely.
 
Why is New York a top his list? The Knicks would have to gut there young assets just to get him so it is him and Amare. Jesus, I do not understand this guy. I could understand Orlando being on top, but not the fucking Knicks.

When can Anthony Randolph be traded again? It is not until awhile is it?
 
Masbee said:
thanks for the update. Except that in the past there have been big deals structured as separate trades. So, what is that all about?
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I would guess there's a difference between (a) making trades work by splitting them up (some players can only be traded on their own) and even in making a trade exception, and (b) in getting around the $3m rule by making multiple trades.

If that were not a consideration, teams could agree to swap second rounders for the next X number of years, with one team sending $3m as part of each deal.

The counter to my guess is that in EXTREME situations, it would be circumvention, but not in a less extreme case, but the NBA just might not like letting teams send more than $3m in simultaneous trades to avoid the slippery slope.

Ed O.
 
EGame said:
Why is New York a top his list? The Knicks would have to gut there young assets just to get him so it is him and Amare. Jesus, I do not understand this guy. I could understand Orlando being on top, but not the fucking Knicks.
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A few possible explanations:

1. NY is not on his list, and it's just NY media hype/speculation.
2. Amare is a superstar in the eyes of many players, even if some on this board still prefer LaMarcus. :)
3. NY would have a chance to add Anthony as a free agent next summer. Amare/Carmelo/CP3 is a pretty good trio, and I believe Chris Paul talked about this possibility at Anthony's wedding.
4. NY is NY. The basketball mecca. If you make it there, it's the best place in the world to be on top.

When can Anthony Randolph be traded again? It is not until awhile is it?
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Not as part of a package, but he could be traded on his own.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Not as part of a package, but he could be traded on his own.

Ed O.
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Correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I think Randolph can be traded even though he was just traded, because the Knicks are under the cap.
 
B-Roy said:
Correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I think Randolph can be traded even though he was just traded, because the Knicks are under the cap.
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D'oh! You're right. My bad.

Ed O.
 
the only way to get Denny more money from this thread (besides the trade actually going down) will be to say the following:

"I don't know that I'd trade Batum...this is a Jermaine O'Neal or Petrovic deal waiting to bite us in the butt. What, our starting backcourt would have 2 good knees between them?!?"

and let the flames begin.
 
Ed O said:
A few possible explanations:

1. NY is not on his list, and it's just NY media hype/speculation.
2. Amare is a superstar in the eyes of many players, even if some on this board still prefer LaMarcus. :)
3. NY would have a chance to add Anthony as a free agent next summer. Amare/Carmelo/CP3 is a pretty good trio, and I believe Chris Paul talked about this possibility at Anthony's wedding.
4. NY is NY. The basketball mecca. If you make it there, it's the best place in the world to be on top.



Not as part of a package, but he could be traded on his own.

Ed O.
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Ya, I get that and the only one that really makes sense is Melo possibly going to New York as well. Otherwise Paul should have no interest in going there, him and Amare + scrubs are not going to win much of anything, he keeps talking up how much he wants to win, and going to New York does not help that cause especially if Melo signs an extension with the Nuggets of some sort. So that really puzzles me. The other three teams could all potentially win with him on the roster, New York has not shot this upcoming year at the very least.
 
EGame said:
It is pretty raw deal, but I still take it as a positive that he has us listed at all.
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Agreed. And it's not like New Orleans will have zero say. New Orleans will want the best deal they can get in return, so if New York can't offer as much I don't think they're going to go out of their way to make sure Paul gets his #1 option. If Paul wants out, I doubt appeasing him is their top priority at that point.

Plus, I like his top two choices being in the east. Worse case, the west loses another all-star and the west gets a little easier. And it's back to trying to get TP or something, or just a smaller consolidation trade involving Rudy/Bayless.
 
Knowing that Paul is demanding a trade and Ptd is on his short list, would you rather have Cho or Pfund trying to make that blockbuster deal?
 
it's_GO_time said:
Knowing that Paul is demanding a trade and Ptd is on his short list, would you rather have Cho or Pfund trying to make that blockbuster deal?
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Pfund. Especially if the rumors of Cho not wanting to let go of Batum are true. I will have given up on him and want him out of town if that were the case.
 
DUDE, nobody really wants to give up Batum. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't do it for CP3, come on
 
it's_GO_time said:
Knowing that Paul is demanding a trade and Ptd is on his short list, would you rather have Cho or Pfund trying to make that blockbuster deal?
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I'm indifferent. Pfund might have more experience, while Cho might have new ideas. Pfund might be more personable, while Cho might know how to work the salary cap situations better.

Or maybe none of those things, since I'm just guessing.

Net result: indifference based on ignorance.

Ed O.
 
HailBlazers said:
DUDE, nobody really wants to give up Batum. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't do it for CP3, come on
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I am just saying if there is a report that we would not give up Batum for Paul, I would not be happy. Not saying there will be one or this rumors is even true, no one knows.

I of course, am not high on Batum like others are here, just don't see his "great" potential. I would trade Batum for someone like Parker IF Parker had more years on his contract or would agree to an extension. I know most would disagree with me on that, but I just don't view Batum as others do.
 
updated: Thursday, July 22nd 1:15pm: Hornets source confirms that if Demps & Williams cannot convince CP3 to stay….they’ll start aggressively trying to move him. Source also says Portland has the pieces Monty and Demps covet…NOT NYC, Orlando or Dallas.)
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I found this from a guy on another forum so credit to him for finding it. That is somewhat good for us.

Link:http://www.wdsu.com/offsidesblog/index.html
 
HCP said:
Teams with most assets to trade......

1.Blazers
2.Magic
3.Mavs
4.NYC

YEAH!
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True. But as I pointed out earlier, Orlando and the Mavs don't have a lot of expiring contract to trade. Orlando, because everybody still there has a contract for a while, and Dallas because because they traded Dampier who was their big expiring contract. I have to believe N.O. wants some talent back. They just want it to be cheap.
 
hasoos said:
True. But as I pointed out earlier, Orlando and the Mavs don't have a lot of expiring contract to trade. Orlando, because everybody still there has a contract for a while, and Dallas because because they traded Dampier who was their big expiring contract. I have to believe N.O. wants some talent back. They just want it to be cheap.
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Tyson Chandler and Vince Carter are expiring. They're just as useful as Miller and Joel.
 
B-Roy said:
Tyson Chandler and Vince Carter are expiring. They're just as useful as Miller and Joel.
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One difference: Joel's contract is 80% covered by insurance. That saves the Hornets 5 million bucks out of pocket (roughly)
 
B-Roy said:
Tyson Chandler and Vince Carter are expiring. They're just as useful as Miller and Joel.
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Vince isn't a true expiring. He still has money owed the following year. A good 4 million dollars.
 
B-Roy said:
Tyson Chandler and Vince Carter are expiring. They're just as useful as Miller and Joel.
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Right but then you are suggesting that the Magic would go forward, planning to contend this year with Reddick as their starting SG. I am not so sure they would dig that idea. They still feel they are contenders. Unless you think Paul and Jameer Nelson make a good back court, which I doubt. If it had to work IMO, it would have to be a 3 way.

New Orleans got rid of Tyson Chandler for a reason before. I don't see why they bring him back now.
 
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