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I'm starting to think unless our offer is Batum/Oden NO isn't gonna trade him and I don't want to give up Oden for him.
 
Paul can talk about who is at the top of his list all he wants, but the more he boxes himself in, the harder it will be to trade him. If Paul says "It's Orlando." The Magic will lowball because they think they have the leverage, and NO will tell them to fuck off.

Plus, we have Larry Miller and Rich Cho running the show. It's a slam dunk.
 
New York, Portland and Dallas are still all on Paul's short list.


You kept the above part out of the article why?

Two reasons. First, I assumed that was still a given, and second I didn't think we were allowed to post entire articles, and when I found the article it was only two paragraphs long.
 
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Two reasons. First, I assumed that was still a given, and second I didn't think we were allowed to post entire articles, and when I found the article it was only two paragraphs long.

I think its length that matters, rather then girth. Wait I mean speaking about articles. So no more then X number of words. Also paid for content isn't ok unless you are an admin or moderator. ;)
 
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16912&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

#2 – The Hornets Are Not Dealing – The Hornets are walking into Monday's meeting fully expecting to hear their star player express concern and unhappiness with the direction of the team and possibly a trade request.

But as of yesterday morning the Hornets, under new General Manager Dell Demps, are turning away team's inquiries regarding Chris Paul's availability and are telling teams this is not something they are going to revisit anytime soon.

Sources near the thought process say that even if Chris begs out of New Orleans, there is a very strong chance the team is not moving him.

Sources said that the Hornets want all of their players to be happy and motivated, but in Chris' case he is far too valuable to the franchise to simply "dump" because he's unhappy.

Unless a team surfaces with a can't miss offer, and nothing mentioned so far comes close, their intention is to be aggressive in trade talks and trade their way into a better roster with Chris Paul, much like the Lakers did with Kobe Bryant a few years ago.

The source stopped short of saying the team doesn't care if Chris is happy, but did say that everyone who misses the playoffs is unhappy. It's up to new leadership to bridge that gap with Chris and get the team headed in the right direction.

The Hornets apparently have several trades on the table to change the look of the team and that's something they plan to discuss with Chris on Monday.



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#5 – The Big Stance - The one thing everyone needs to be ready for is the idea that the Hornets from the majority and minority owners do not want to and are not open to trading Chris Paul.

Chris can cry and complain, he can pout and he can disengage – but the team is ready to play hard ball with Chris Paul.

Sources say that is not how they want it to be and that they hope Chris can be reeled back from the edge. The hope is that the rift that's obviously developed can be closed and that roster improvements will soothe the situation, especially if the Hornets can manufacture something splashy.

But the Hornets are also ready to stand the line.

The scenario that's been mapped out is this… Chris has two years left on his deal; it's up to management and ownership to build a winner in that time frame, as Chris has no power in the situation.

The team also believes what it could return for Chris in trade at the trade deadline this February or next summer before the NBA Draft and a lockout, might be far greater than what's available now, so the Hornets are not looking to make a deal even if Chris delivers a face-to-face trade request on Monday.



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I will be curious to see if its just PR talk from the Hornets or if they are willing to "take a stance". Guess we will see.
 
The biggest problem is that it kind of handcuffs Portland from making any other deals that would include major assets in a future deal for Paul. For example do you proceed with a Harris trade now if this turns out be NO's statedgy?
 
I think this is NOH trying to salvage their trade leverage. If people think that they are being forced to trade him, they will offer less because they think that NO isn't in a position to say no.
 
I think this is NOH trying to salvage their trade leverage. If people think that they are being forced to trade him, they will offer less because they think that NO isn't in a position to say no.

That was my take as well but I'm biased. It is true that Paul doesn't have leverage now other then the threat of even greater leverage later ie the walk away. IMO it would be better for the Hornets to trade now while they DO have leverage and the ability to say no. In my experience less, not more is available atthe deadline as most teams have done as other posters suggested and traded assets for plan B.

Conclusion, this is a smokescreen and they may initially say no trade as a united front to drive up value. If something doesn't happen during the height of Hornet negotiating power then look for CP3 to leak more discontented material to the media. IMO the meeting Monday is to get CP3 to help them maximize value. Hell we were telling brother Wendell we wouldn't part with Batum that might have horrified NOH management.
 
CP3 made David West an All-Star pick-and-pop Power Forward. The "Mid-Range Assassin" as CP3 calls him.

There's hope for LMA. Out of everyone (that's left) I think LMA will benefit the most if we were to land CP3.
 
CP3 made David West an All-Star pick-and-pop Power Forward. The "Mid-Range Assassin" as CP3 calls him.

There's hope for LMA. Out of everyone (that's left) I think LMA will benefit the most if we were to land CP3.

Question? Assuming we retain Oden and he is dominant for say 72+ games and the playoffs would you add to your sig something about how you were dead wrong and Oden is a hero? I will add something to mine in reverse if he is injured plagued. Deal?

You are dead wrong about who CP3 benefitted the most it was Chandler until he couldn't get off the bench.
 
Before CP3 arrived David West looked like he was bound to be a journyman. Despite being a four-year College player he looked very raw his rookie year (3.8 ppg) and two years later, with CP3, his average jumped to nearly 18 ppg. IMO, CP3 made David West into the player he is today.

And I don't think I can do that with Oden as I think he'll eventually end up in the package for CP3.
 
Before CP3 arrived David West looked like he was bound to be a journyman. Despite being a four-year College player he looked very raw his rookie year (3.8 ppg) and two years later, with CP3, his average jumped to nearly 18 ppg. IMO, CP3 made David West into the player he is today.

And I don't think I can do that with Oden as I think he'll eventually end up in the package for CP3.

CP3 could make Penderbeast a starter!
 
Before CP3 arrived David West looked like he was bound to be a journyman. Despite being a four-year College player he looked very raw his rookie year (3.8 ppg) and two years later, with CP3, his average jumped to nearly 18 ppg. IMO, CP3 made David West into the player he is today.

And I don't think I can do that with Oden as I think he'll eventually end up in the package for CP3.

Uh, I had the qualifier ASSUMING WE RETAIN HIM!!! So with that qualifier do you believe what you are saying enough to make a one year signature bet? I do and I am willing. I'll take Nik's unbreakable sig or any reasonable sig you want something like I was dead wrong and Oden is a glassman or something similar. You believe what you think or are you talking out your ass?
 
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If I didn't know any better, I would assume Oden was Idog's child.
 
If I didn't know any better, I would assume Oden was Idog's child.

Grandson actually, but who's counting. I just get sick of the stupid ass hate and undervaluing he gets. He's worth more then anyone on the roster not named Roy for POTENTIAL alone. Anyone who can't see that is blind as far as I'm concerned.
 
To get value you have to give up value. CP3 is the best PG in the League and is still only 25 years old, he's just now entering his prime. IMO, giving up Oden for Chris is a small price to pay.
 
To get value you have to give up value. CP3 is the best PG in the League and is still only 25 years old, he's just now entering his prime. IMO, giving up Oden for Chris is a small price to pay.

So about that bet you keep avoiding? Gut crimping up because you know you're wrong? Again a trade of Oden would disqualify the bet.

P.S. I would trade Oden as well.

But at the most this would be it:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27dzt94
 
Grandson actually, but who's counting. I just get sick of the stupid ass hate and undervaluing he gets. He's worth more then anyone on the roster not named Roy for POTENTIAL alone. Anyone who can't see that is blind as far as I'm concerned.

I guess I don't see trading Oden for the best PG in the NBA as undervauing him at all. It's a big compliment to
Oden if he is indeed the key trading for Paul. I don't want to give up Batum AND Oden, but if it takes Oden for Paul, I'm game, so long as we get Okafor in return. Emeka's per/36 rebound numbers are 1.5 rpg behind Oden, and less than 1 orpg. Plus, his fouls/36 are 3.6 compared to 6.0 for Oden.
 
Trading Oden for Paul would be idiotic. We would have absolutely ZERO chance at winning the title. He has to be healthy, but Oden is our only realistic chance at getting to the Finals.
 
Trading Oden for Paul would be idiotic. We would have absolutely ZERO chance at winning the title. He has to be healthy, but Oden is our only realistic chance at getting to the Finals.

I disagree. Aldridge, Camby, and Okafor would be arguably the best front line rotation in the NBA, and a back court of Roy and Paul is just plain sick. If Batum could be kept, a starting line-up of:

PG - Paul
SG - Roy
SF - Batum
PF - Aldridge/Okafor
C- Camby/Okafor

is incredible. The lowest PER in that group is Okafor's 16.5, which was low for him in terms of his career.
 
On the hoopsworld piece i think they bring up valid points but the truth is everything can change in s moment's notice and i believe this situation is so fluid and ever changing. I think the biggest issue will be the ownership group and getting them to realize trading Paul is the way to go. As much as i want Paul i think in the End the Hornets will sit on him until the trade deadline then be more open but right now i think the chances Paul is even traded is under 25%. I hope i am wrong but that is just my gut feeling as of now but i am still holding out hope.
 
"Hornets have several trades on the table to change the look of the team, that's something they plan to discuss with Chris on Monday"...
- FletcherMackel Twitter
 
I guess I don't see trading Oden for the best PG in the NBA as undervauing him at all. It's a big compliment to
Oden if he is indeed the key trading for Paul. I don't want to give up Batum AND Oden, but if it takes Oden for Paul, I'm game, so long as we get Okafor in return. Emeka's per/36 rebound numbers are 1.5 rpg behind Oden, and less than 1 orpg. Plus, his fouls/36 are 3.6 compared to 6.0 for Oden.

Sure I agree with that hence why I'm willing to trade him for Paul as the centerpiece with filler. Fez has a LOOOONG history of undervaluing Oden and saying he's basically a bust.
 
I don't hate Oden, I just think that after his injuries he's nowhere near the prospect he once was. His lateral movement is horrible and this was before the patella fracture.

If you think he's the prospect we drafted out of Ohio State you're out of your freaking mind.
 
Grandson actually, but who's counting. I just get sick of the stupid ass hate and undervaluing he gets. He's worth more then anyone on the roster not named Roy for POTENTIAL alone. Anyone who can't see that is blind as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think he's undervalued at all. I think your perception of his value around the league is a bit inflated.
 
I don't think he's undervalued at all. I think your perception of his value around the league is a bit inflated.

Not by you, you have a fairly sober view of him. Oldmangrouch and Fez both massively undervalue him.
 
I don't hate Oden, I just think that after his injuries he's nowhere near the prospect he once was. His lateral movement is horrible and this was before the patella fracture.

If you think he's the prospect we drafted out of Ohio State you're out of your freaking mind.

So are we on for that bet then? He can't dominate without lateral movement etc. so it should be a slam dunk for you with virtually no risk. If he's traded you're off the hook, if he's injured you're off the hook, if he puts up mediocore numbers you're off the hook. Do you believe what you say on here all day and night about him being an above average center at best or not?
 
I don't hate Oden, I just think that after his injuries he's nowhere near the prospect he once was. His lateral movement is horrible and this was before the patella fracture.

If you think he's the prospect we drafted out of Ohio State you're out of your freaking mind.

How did his lateral movement look in the games before he went down last year? He was just getting back into prime shape after the surgery he had rookie year which takes on average two years to get back from. The kneecap exploding was a freak accident that will heal 100% fine and have no lasting side effects from it save the knee bone getting stronger.
So I for one, think he is still has it in him to be the same prospect he once was.
 
I disagree. Aldridge, Camby, and Okafor would be arguably the best front line rotation in the NBA, and a back court of Roy and Paul is just plain sick. If Batum could be kept, a starting line-up of:

PG - Paul
SG - Roy
SF - Batum
PF - Aldridge/Okafor
C- Camby/Okafor

is incredible. The lowest PER in that group is Okafor's 16.5, which was low for him in terms of his career.

Surely you can't be serious. :lol: Camby is 37 years old and Okafor is undersized.
 

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