Blazers Pick 24th in 2009 Draft

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MAS RipCity said:
The "hype" point guard we have the best shot at is Brandon Jennings, much cheaper cost to acquire
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True, but realize that KP is big on "Character". Think of all the guys on the team like Roy, LMA, Oden, etc. Even if they didn't finish school, they were at least intelligent and disciplined enough to get into school. It wasn't like Brandon Jennings was intending to go play in Europe. He went there as a last resort because he didn't qualify academically to play at Arizona.

Do you want a dumb-dumb on the team? Granted, Outlaw has done okay...after about six years, but he still makes bonehead low-basketball IQ players frequently enough.

With how fucked up and twisted college sports is (with agents and coaches and everything) if you can't get into a top-tier school somehow you must have a screw and a half loose. No thanks to him. Damaged goods.
 
I wonder if Blair's health will be a concern to GM's.

According to Draftexpress, Blair tore both ACL's in HS.
 
Fez said:
I wonder if Blair's health will be a concern to GM's.

According to Draftexpress, Blair tore both ACL's in HS.
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Well his frame and weight can't be good on his knees.
 
So, basically no one is sold on defensive PG options such as Beaubois or D.Collison? Not that I think they're the saviors, but for all the talk of us needing a defensive upgrade at PG, I thought they'd be getting some more love in here.
 
Say no to Collison, he's not that fast and just isn't someone I think will project well to the NBA. He should have come out like two years ago, probably would have gone significantly higher than he will this year.

I don't know much about the French kid, but I'd consider taking a look at him. We've had some pretty good success drafting international players late in the first round (Rudy, Batum) not to mention the other frenchmen who worked out well despite being drafted in the latter first round (Parker, Diaw).
 
BrianFromWA said:
So, basically no one is sold on defensive PG options such as Beaubois or D.Collison? Not that I think they're the saviors, but for all the talk of us needing a defensive upgrade at PG, I thought they'd be getting some more love in here.
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Beaubois I only know from second hand accounts and have never seen him play a single minute, but isn't he projected as a second round guy? I guess you could take a flier on him and stash him overseas to get some more experience.

Collison on the other hand just doesn't jump out at me as having a chance at all of being anything other than a situational player, or a solid defensive minded backup who can distribute a little, but his levels of athleticism and build don't exactly shout 'NBA starter'.
 
I think this draft could prove interesting b\c the talent level available from 12-20 or so appears IMO and many other so called experts...weaker than previous years. What does that potentially mean? It means that some picks may be available to be had....it means that for a GM like Prithcard if he sees a player that he covets...like a Curry for example...he may be able to swoop in and get him without having to trade away that much...

It only takes one team...Roy (#7) & LaFrentz from BOS for Telfair & Ratliff?....and that was to buy a pick at #7 essentially.....I don't see POR having much trouble moving up to the #10-15 range if they really like a player......

I'll say this about Curry...He can shoot the light out, and looking at all of these other PG out there...most of them have question marks regading thier outside shooting....IF, and that is the big question here, If Curry can play the PG postion effectively at the NBA level, then he would be a very good choice for POR IMO....you couldn't leave that guy open could you? I mean with Sergio and Bayless...and even Blake to some extent, you can cheat off them b\c they don't make you pay often enough...I have a tough time seeing Curry not being able to hit an open outside shot consistently....that would be a very dangerous weapon to have...If they could acquire him at a marginal cost...then they shoudl do it IMO.....

This team needs a banger, but I think they are best served looking to a veteran for that....

Shavlik, Ruffin, LaFrentz & Frye are gone...Sergio is likely gone as well...I think one of the SF will have to go, but they may hold onto all 3 for another year...that leaves at minimum 4 open spots (possibly 5 or 6).....good for adding 1-2 vets and a rookie or two...plus a camp invitee....
 
Uther TheGardener said:
a banger? you mean like JOEL "FING LIMEY" FREELAND?
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:dunno: If Freeland is a banger, that would certainly make him the exception for European big men.

If he *is* a tough guy, I hope he is in a Blazer uniform next season. If he is just another finese player - let him stay in England and drink warm beer! :drinkapint:
 
jeff teague is slipping. maybe we can move up a few spots and grab him
 
jammy badgers :P

joel is from what i heard more an american/euro mix player...tough strong thats what his profile says and showed it when he was here for the summer.

we need an SF bad and a PG!
 
Here is a wild card I have been thinking about. Monta Ellis ? He has fallen out of favor with the new GM there because of the "Moped incident". I just don't know how well he fits with BRoy. His contract would fit 11M for 5 years.

He would be an instant 3rd scoring option. He can hit the 3 . Character wise, who knows. I do know that with the foundation we have of good players I think we can add one questionable character guy.

And NO, Bayless is not a young Ellis. Bayless can't hit the side of my house three feet away given 10 chances. Remember Bayless never worked out for the Blazers prior to the draft.

We need someone who can create his own shot and breakdown the D. I think Ellis is worth looking at.
 
What about Patty Mills? During the Olympics, Chris Paul and Deron Williams couldn't stay in front of him. Nobody could. He's super quick and can finish. Didn't have a huge year but he did have an injury that lingered. At #24, he's worth a chance. From draftexpress:

Go-to scoring mentality
- Transition play
- Ability to create own shot
- Ball-handling skills
- Ability to get in passing lanes
- Aggressiveness
- Strong Intangibles
- Ability to finish around basket
- Above average athleticism
- Speed
- 3-point range
- Relies too heavily on outside shot
- Shooting mechanics
- Solid free throw shooter

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Dufferduck said:
Here is a wild card I have been thinking about. Monta Ellis ? He has fallen out of favor with the new GM there because of the "Moped incident". I just don't know how well he fits with BRoy. His contract would fit 11M for 5 years.

He would be an instant 3rd scoring option. He can hit the 3 . Character wise, who knows. I do know that with the foundation we have of good players I think we can add one questionable character guy.

And NO, Bayless is not a young Ellis. Bayless can't hit the side of my house three feet away given 10 chances. Remember Bayless never worked out for the Blazers prior to the draft.

We need someone who can create his own shot and breakdown the D. I think Ellis is worth looking at.
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Career 28.7% from 3.. but he did hit a career high 30% this year... this whole post was pretty much uninformed.
 
Picking 24th, I think the best we can hope for is for KP to pull another Batum type rabbit out of his (Euro) hat. (Casspi?)

I would be satisfied if he could find a Millsap type back-up big man. A guy who brings a hardhat and lunchbucket to work every day - not some cotton candy softy like Frye, with an inflated view of his own skills.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Picking 24th, I think the best we can hope for is for KP to pull another Batum type rabbit out of his (Euro) hat. (Casspi?)
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How many Euro small-forwards do we need?

KP has enough assets and the economy is bad enough that he can move up to get someone he really wants (except maybe the top two picks) - if he is looking at the draft again.
 
andalusian said:
How many Euro small-forwards do we need?

KP has enough assets and the economy is bad enough that he can move up to get someone he really wants (except maybe the top two picks) - if he is looking at the draft again.
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:dunno: He had the assets to make a deal at the trade deadline too.....and didn't.

I pulled Casspi's name out of the air because he is (reputedly) that rare European player who takes as much pride in his defense as in his offense. He has been compared to Hedo with better defense. IF that is true.....IF he is both a good scorer and solid defender, then he would be a potential upgrade over Webster/Outlaw. I cheerfully admit that is a big "if"!
 
Patty Mills seems interesting.

Aren't there some Aussies here that can give some insight on his game. "what he play like?":koolaid:
 
I just wanted to point something out about folks talking about KP bringing in talent successfully late in the first round. You will note, that all of the "players of talent" he has brought in have been european. Most of them were in a situation where they were not drafted higher because teams thought they could not get them over for helping immediately so they passed, or they might not have the european scouting that the Blazers have. But that being said, when it comes to players from the USA later in the round, he doesn't have much of a record of that. In fact, I feel he has missed several opportunities to draft american players who would have helped the team, guys who slid, or were better than they drafted out. Some of those players, were passed over 2 or 3 times when we had multiple second round picks.
 
oldmangrouch said:
:dunno: He had the assets to make a deal at the trade deadline too.....and didn't.
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Sounds like there were no deals that interested him in the trade deadline - and since I specifically said he will have them for a player in the draft he covets - one could understand why he did not do it in the trade deadline given that said player was not available yet ;)

oldmangrouch said:
I pulled Casspi's name out of the air because he is (reputedly) that rare European player who takes as much pride in his defense as in his offense. He has been compared to Hedo with better defense. IF that is true.....IF he is both a good scorer and solid defender, then he would be a potential upgrade over Webster/Outlaw. I cheerfully admit that is a big "if"!
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Fair enough. I actually got to see him play one game on a recent business trip - and it was not an inspiring performance - but obviously one should not judge a player by one game...
 
andalusian said:
Sounds like there were no deals that interested him in the trade deadline - and since I specifically said he will have them for a player in the draft he covets - one could understand why he did not do it in the trade deadline given that said player was not available yet ;)



Fair enough. I actually got to see him play one game on a recent business trip - and it was not an inspiring performance - but obviously one should not judge a player by one game...
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I'm envious! :clap:
 
oldmangrouch said:
I'm envious! :clap:
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You should not be. The weather was not nice enough to go to the beach and the game was boring - so all I got out of it was work and some nice food while enduring long and boring plane flights...

I did in the past get to catch some Euroleague final-4 games - not this time.
 
How about.....no one, and we package the pick along with other stuff to get Chris Paul. :bgrin:
 
Dufferduck said:
Here is a wild card I have been thinking about. Monta Ellis ? He has fallen out of favor with the new GM there because of the "Moped incident". I just don't know how well he fits with BRoy. His contract would fit 11M for 5 years.

He would be an instant 3rd scoring option. He can hit the 3 . Character wise, who knows. I do know that with the foundation we have of good players I think we can add one questionable character guy.

And NO, Bayless is not a young Ellis. Bayless can't hit the side of my house three feet away given 10 chances. Remember Bayless never worked out for the Blazers prior to the draft.

We need someone who can create his own shot and breakdown the D. I think Ellis is worth looking at.
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Certainly they weren't thrilled that he basically lost a season doing something he shouldn't have been, but strike one isn't usually the end of a super talented youngin's time in a city. If he's really on the outs with them, there are probably many other things we don't know about (like a bad work ethic/bad character). They just resigned him last offseason so those sorts of things are unlikely.

I'm not sure why you said he can hit the 3 as dude shot 31% from deep last year and is only a 29% 3pt shooter for his career. Bayless was even worse as a rookie shooting just 26% from deep, but neither is a long range sharpshooter. Also just to clarify, his contract is 11M per year for the next 5.

STOMP
 
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