Blazers scheduled workouts list

[Sarni]

Interesting that three of the six are shooting guards, even though Portland has already 4 on the roster; Olshey working hard to unload Crabbe?
Correction, four of the six.

Interesting indeed. If we managed to get a good small forward, we could get by with a young guard who will play 12-14 minutes per game.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BonesJones]

No where. In that video though he consistently hit that shot. So he has the range

Yeah, but there's a lot of guys that are merely practice shooters. His form is bad, but repeatable in practice. Seems like the type of shot to break down in games.

 

[dviss1]

That's the look on Crabbe's face.

Crabbe don't give a shit. He got his paper.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

How to win friends:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah, but there's a lot of guys that are merely practice shooters. His form is bad, but repeatable in practice. Seems like the type of shot to break down in games.

I completely disagree. The video I saw of him stroking 3s at the combine showed great form.

 

[Scalma]

Leaf looks way too "natural" in blazers colors for me, I'm uncomfortable bro.

 

[Trackjack]

The key workout will be when Paul Allen shows up and watch the player.

 

[BonesJones]

I completely disagree. The video I saw of him stroking 3s at the combine showed great form.

Here's what I see: he has a low release point with a low follow through. Struggles to get much arc. Shooters with flat or high arc (Aminu) tend to struggle with shooting consistency, especially from 3. Turner could probably knock down those same shots that Bell was, but his flat shot makes it so he has to have pinpoint accuracy from the arc in game. Bell also shoots from the other side of his body, which brings a side-to-side variable into his shot. His right foot isn't underneath him either, which makes him less balanced.

 

[Minstrel]

How to win friends:

Uh oh, does Turner know something? Lillard on the block?

 

[BonesJones]

So Leaf is carrying the ball while Collins fouls him... Haha.

 

[Sarni]

I was just thinking, maybe we think we can trade Crabbe for a pick in the range #30 to #40 and replace him with a cheap rookie like Thornwell, Dorsey or Hart? A lot of 2nd round projections we have invited for workouts are shooting guards.

It'd be incredible if on top of moving up to get Zach Collins and getting Justin Jackson with our pick we got some potential rotational players to develop (Evans, Thornwell, Pasenciks) AND shed some salary.

Somehow I feel convinced we will take TJ Leaf though. Not sure if it will be at 20 or 15 but I got a feeling we will get him.

 

[Reep]

I was just thinking, maybe we think we can trade Crabbe for a pick in the range #30 to #40 and replace him with a cheap rookie like Thornwell, Dorsey or Hart? A lot of 2nd round projections we have invited for workouts are shooting guards.

It'd be incredible if on top of moving up to get Zach Collins and getting Justin Jackson with our pick we got some potential rotational players to develop (Evans, Thornwell, Pasenciks) AND shed some salary.

I don't want to pay to get rid of Crabbe, but in this draft a 30-40 pick is quite valuable. I wouldn't object.

 

[Sarni]

I don't want to pay to get rid of Crabbe, but in this draft a 30-40 pick is quite valuable. I wouldn't object.

If we got asset back in return it'd be incredible. While most people want us to get rid of picks to move contracts (like 3 picks to get rid of Leonard) and not have to go through pain of having 3 rookies, I want us to get more picks coming in. I feel like we could turn a lot of second rounders into cracking rotational pieces.

 

[BonesJones]

I was just thinking, maybe we think we can trade Crabbe for a pick in the range #30 to #40 and replace him with a cheap rookie like Thornwell, Dorsey or Hart? A lot of 2nd round projections we have invited for workouts are shooting guards.

It'd be incredible if on top of moving up to get Zach Collins and getting Justin Jackson with our pick we got some potential rotational players to develop (Evans, Thornwell, Pasenciks) AND shed some salary.

Somehow I feel convinced we will take TJ Leaf though. Not sure if it will be at 20 or 15 but I got a feeling we will get him.

None of those guys are evan close to replacing Crabbe.

Crabbe's the 2nd best 3pt shooter in the league. Thornwell and Hart would struggle to shoot over 36%. Dorsey would be even more of a liability in other areas than Crabbe, while not being as good of a shooter.

 

[PDXFonz]

Uh oh, does Turner know something? Lillard on the block?

It's not official until Blazers edge writrs the "Lillard to be traded, says Turner" article.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That's the look on Crabbe's face.

But I already got paid and drafting one of these guys will get me my $10 million trade kicker.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

None of those guys are evan close to replacing Crabbe.

Crabbe's the 2nd best 3pt shooter in the league. Thornwell and Hart would struggle to shoot over 36%. Dorsey would be even more of a liability in other areas than Crabbe, while not being as good of a shooter.

2nd in 3FG%, but tied for 46th in made 3FG. A lot of guys could shoot a higher percentage if all they did was shoot wide open, catch and shoot 3-pointers with their feet set and no defender in sight.

BNM

 

[Rastapopoulos]

None of those guys are evan close to replacing Crabbe.

I see what you did there

 

[Sarni]

None of those guys are evan close to replacing Crabbe.

Crabbe's the 2nd best 3pt shooter in the league. Thornwell and Hart would struggle to shoot over 36%. Dorsey would be even more of a liability in other areas than Crabbe, while not being as good of a shooter.

Maybe they would score fewer threes in their first years but it's not that important. We would drop almost $20M a year from our payroll and long term they could develop into just as good or better all around players. I think Crabbe is not going to improve that much from where he is now.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Maybe they would score fewer threes in their first years but it's not that important. We would drop almost $20M a year from our payroll and long term they could develop into just as good or better all around players. I think Crabbe is not going to improve that much from where he is now.

Unless Crabbe suddenly develops a better handle, he is what he is. Other than improved 3FG%, he actually held constant, or digressed in all other areas. His rebounding and passing, which were never strengths to begin with, got worse, as did his STLs. His 2FG% and FT% were also down. All this shows why, in spite of his improved 3FG%, his advanced performance metrics (PER, WS/48, VORP, etc.) were all down.

A lot of players make that leap between years 3 and 4. Crabbe did not.

BNM

 

[Reep]

Unless Crabbe suddenly develops a better handle, he is what he is. Other than improved 3FG%, he actually held constant, or digressed in all other areas. His rebounding and passing, which were never strengths to begin with, got worse, as did his STLs. His 2FG% and FT% were also down. All this shows why, in spite of his improved 3FG%, his advanced performance metrics (PER, WS/48, VORP, etc.) were all down.

A lot of players make that leap between years 3 and 4. Crabbe did not.

BNM

He was working on his ball handling last summer and it looked pretty good in drills. It could be that one more year in game play could help with that. Most of what he needs is confidence and game time where he can practice.

 

[Reep]

Does Crabbe's presence in the gym mean anything? Was he invited? Was he just their working out? Either one is probably a good thing.

Of course Pat's presence pretty much destroys that hope.

 

[lawai'a]

Does Crabbe's presence in the gym mean anything? Was he invited? Was he just their working out? Either one is probably a good thing.

Of course Pat's presence pretty much destroys that hope.

has he had his surgery yet?

 

[Reep]

has he had his surgery yet?

May 11th, and it was "successful"

 

[Minstrel]

He was working on his ball handling last summer and it looked pretty good in drills. It could be that one more year in game play could help with that. Most of what he needs is confidence and game time where he can practice.

A lot of things are easier in drills, and ball-handling would strike me as A#1 on that list. It could be that he needs just one more year, but that could be said every year. Without actually showing any concrete improvement, it's as much conjecture as it would be with any player in the league.

I don't see Crabbe being moved this off-season, coming off an injury that required surgery, so I guess we can hope that one more year brings The Jump.

 

[Boob-No-More]

He was working on his ball handling last summer and it looked pretty good in drills. It could be that one more year in game play could help with that. Most of what he needs is confidence and game time where he can practice.

He had plenty of "game play" last year (over 2200 minutes) to show his "improved" handles and we saw no evidence of it. In fact, statistically, he created even fewer shots for himself and others, than he did the previous season.

Again, other than 3FG%, he was stagnant or regressed in all areas of the game. Not a good sign for someone you hope to have a breakout year.

Crabbe just doesn't seem to possess the drive to improve. He's very passive on the court and seems to be that way, in general, in his approach to the game. He doesn't have 1/10th the drive Wesley Matthews had. He seems perfectly satisfied to just keep doing the one thing he does well without any desire to improve his many weaknesses.

But, given the $75 million contract he signed (with a potential $10 million trade kicker), that seems to have worked out pretty damn well for him.

BNM

 

[Reep]

It's hard to work on new skills in the regular season. If Crabbe stays I hope he will push it in camp and pre-season. After that it is too late.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's hard to work on new skills in the regular season. If Crabbe stays I hope he will push it in camp and pre-season. After that it is too late.

Well, he had all last summer to work on his game and we saw the exact same player in 2016-17 as we did in 2015-16.

BNM