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Schilly said:
Ok so someone explain how adding a legit career starting center with PER of 17 and went for 19 and 12 per 36 last season, doesn't improve our team. Is Hawes better? Maybe but if we wod have had to send assets to get him, then there us subtraction involved.

Think of it this way, Kaman just pushed Leonard to 3rd string C and also pushed Freeland to 3rd string PF while taking Aldridge an Robinson away from having to play C at all. Anytime you take an existing player and move him down on the depth chart because of adding a better player you have made your team better. Its not the sexiest signing but its a damn smart signing.
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He is an empty stat player. He scores, but he also gives up more than he scores.

I really dont believe he makes the bench any better.
 
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OneLifeToLive said:
How much of this was Olshey and how much was it Morey who was motivated to dump salary? Honestly, at the time was the Lopez deal considered a genius. I didn't think so. And I think if you ask Neil that whole deal worked out better than we would have ever dreamed of
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Sam Bowie at the time was considered a good pick.... So was Greg Oden. but now the at the time is irrelevant due the reality. Lopez at the time was a good grab we needed a center, the reality is it ended up being a very good pickup. So this strange reality you are construing where you elect to be underwhelmed is odd. You are justifying the lack of good job by Olshey based on how you felt at the time of acquiring Lopez. How do you feel in the hindsight of reality?
 
This might not be an exciting signing, but I think as long as he stays healthy, Kaman will be a great signing. Wish he were a bit better on D though.
 
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OneLifeToLive said:
How much of this was Olshey and how much was it Morey who was motivated to dump salary? Honestly, at the time was the Lopez deal considered a genius. I didn't think so. And I think if you ask Neil that whole deal worked out better than we would have ever dreamed of
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So you want a GM who provides instant fan gratification on his moves?

I'm fine with a boring GM who makes the right choices. How many Spurs moves have been creative and impressive the day they happened?
 
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tester551 said:
Not all of these are Full MLE players, but I would rather have any of these formthe same contract that Kaman agreed to. Now that all we have is the BAE, all these players are out of the price range.

Collison
Ed Davis
Jordan Hill
Livingston
McRobberts
Mike Miller
Okafor (if healthy)
Patrick Patterson
Sefalosha
Sessions
PJ Tucker
Turner
Marvin Williams
Nick Young
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I'm glad we don't have Turner or Nick Young on this team; those guys are selfish ball hogs.

All of the other names would cost more guaranteed salary than Kaman. Neil wants to keep the cap clean for next summer. Historically giving guaranteed money to bench players is the reason for most overpaid difficult to move contracts.
 
tester551 said:
He is an empty stat player. He scores, but he also gives up more than he scores.

I really dont believe he makes the bench any better.
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Yeah there's definitely concerns I have with Kaman. But we have Freeland who is a good defensive second unit center. Kaman gives us a different type of look if we are in need of offense from the bench. It was an issue last season.
 
Lets just hope the young guys step up. Im in Bama so its hard to catch some of the games. What do you guys think of Crabbe and McCollum? Will they be any good or were they another waste on picks?
 
That's the big question for me: how good is his defense.
I haven't seen enough of him to answer it myself. I don't expect him to be Lopez but is he more of a Joel (Pryzbilla, Freeland) or more of a LaMarcus in that aspect?
 
I was very underwhelmed to begin with but Chris Kamans Twitter is making up for that. Guy is pretty damn funny.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
@daldridgetnt: Blazers did not think they'd be able to sign Spencer Hawes, who's talking w/Suns, or Channing Frye, rumored to be target of Cavaliers.
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Could this be the revenge of PapaG? This is insurance if Lopez gets run over by a train. Since coming to Portland, Olshey has always referred to Kaman in a revered tone. He thinks he's a big star. By signing Kaman, Olshey admits that he erred drafting Meyers Leonard.

riverman said:
Tells me Hughes thinks Meyers is another season from being a true backup off the bench.
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magnifier661 said:
It could open a deal though. Freeland and Leonard are pretty expendable
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Freeland and Leonard were already pretty expendable. Us fans are dreaming about Hawes and Monroe and this is what we get???!!!!
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
This is real turd in the punchbowl. Kaman is the epitome of an empty stats player.

Wow. What a desperation move. I'd rather have given the minutes to Leonard. And I think Leonard's shit.
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Yes, agreed.
 
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Draco said:
So you want a GM who provides instant fan gratification on his moves?

I'm fine with a boring GM who makes the right choices. How many Spurs moves have been creative and impressive the day they happened?
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You mean like George Hill for Kwahi Finals MVP Leonard?
 
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How long til Kaman turns in Chris gayman lameman wish he'd go awayman?
 
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cmeese47 said:
You mean like George Hill for Kwahi Finals MVP Leonard?
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Thats a damn good move but if anyone knew Kwahi would be that good he wouldnt have gone 15th.
Also when it went down it was looked at as a very even trade.
 
Blazer4ever said:
That's the big question for me: how good is his defense.
I haven't seen enough of him to answer it myself. I don't expect him to be Lopez but is he more of a Joel (Pryzbilla, Freeland) or more of a LaMarcus in that aspect?
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His defense is miles better than Meyers Leonard. In his younger days he would average 2+ blocks a game but now he's really below average defensively. Not clueless but not as good as Freeland. I think he would be better against Dwight Howard or other massive guys than 6'10" Freeland though. Hey if one of the better scoring big men was a great defensive center do you think he'd be attainable for anywhere close to the MLE?

I think the only downside here is if Kaman could complain about role or playing time. With him only going to the playoffs once and being on that disaster in LA last year I don't forsee this being an issue, but you never know.
 
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cmeese47 said:
You mean like George Hill for Kwahi Finals MVP Leonard?
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Exactly! Critics didn't have any idea it was that great of a move when it happened. Most said it was just a penny pinching move. whoops.
 
It only took Przybilla a game or two to be nicknamed Foulzilla.

I expect the same.
 
Just a few things. Clearly the Blazers don't have the same infatuation with defense only players. As a result a lot of us are going to be underwhelmed. Also so many of us build up scenarios of what we think should happen and then are quick to judge a signing based on our own fantasy league concepts.

Now lets think about this signing for a minute based on facts we know about what Neil an Co have been targetting. Greg Monroe not a great defender was going to require max contract on a S&T maybe having to send Batum, would leave Wright as starting SF. Spencer Hawes, again not a great defender, also would have required a S&T to acquire. We would again be creating new holes to fill. Both Monroe and Hawes would have been 5 year commitments. So how is Kaman compared to those guys defensively? Offensively he's not much worse at all. Injury wuse hes never had a major injury just strains and sprains mostly feet and ankles, no knees. He's not going to stir up chemistry by changing an already very effective starting unit, or by thinking he should be starting.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The Warriors got Shaun Livingston for the MLE.

We got Chris Kaman :lol:
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Not exactly certain that Livingston for the MLE was such a great deal. He isn't an outside shooter, and it's not like he put up great #'s.
 
Schilly said:
Ok so someone explain how adding a legit career starting center with PER of 17 and went for 19 and 12 per 36 last season, doesn't improve our team. Is Hawes better? Maybe but if we wod have had to send assets to get him, then there us subtraction involved.

Think of it this way, Kaman just pushed Leonard to 3rd string C and also pushed Freeland to 3rd string PF while taking Aldridge an Robinson away from having to play C at all. Anytime you take an existing player and move him down on the depth chart because of adding a better player you have made your team better. Its not the sexiest signing but its a damn smart signing.
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Exactly. We now have a second center, and we still have Freeland as insurance in case one of our big men gets dinged up and needs to rest.
 
Schilly said:
Just a few things. Clearly the Blazers don't have the same infatuation with defense only players. As a result a lot of us are going to be underwhelmed. Also so many of us build up scenarios of what we think should happen and then are quick to judge a signing based on our own fantasy league concepts.

Now lets think about this signing for a minute based on facts we know about what Neil an Co have been targetting. Greg Monroe not a great defender was going to require max contract on a S&T maybe having to send Batum, would leave Wright as starting SF. Spencer Hawes, again not a great defender, also would have required a S&T to acquire. We would again be creating new holes to fill. Both Monroe and Hawes would have been 5 year commitments. So how is Kaman compared to those guys defensively? Offensively he's not much worse at all. Injury wuse hes never had a major injury just strains and sprains mostly feet and ankles, no knees. He's not going to stir up chemistry by changing an already very effective starting unit, or by thinking he should be starting.
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Stop with the logic. If it isn't on a spread sheet half these guys won't know what you are talking about. You might make someone's head asplode.
 
With the contracts that have been bandied about so far, the handwriting on the wall seems to say the MLE wasn't going to get Portland what us fans wanted. I would think Olshey has had a couple of dozen conversations with prospective players/agents and should have an idea what is realistic and what is pie in the sky. I have little choice but to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Oh, and BTW: Kaman (when healthy) is a legit backup center. We needed one of those.
 
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