Blazers sign Fabricio Oberto to one year deal?

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Minstrel said:
FWIW, I agree with you. It would be a good thing to do. I just have no problem with the Blazers waiving Pendergraph for the roster spot. But letting him rehab in their facilities, on their dime...good thing, if it's kosher with the league.
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I wonder about that. I don't think there's any rules against it. Seems like every off-season there's a couple guys that aren't under contract working out here. But I've never heard of guys hanging around during the season. Maybe the NBA has some stricter in season rules on that sort of thing.
 
ebott said:
I wonder about that. I don't think there's any rules against it. Seems like every off-season there's a couple guys that aren't under contract working out here. But I've never heard of guys hanging around during the season. Maybe the NBA has some stricter in season rules on that sort of thing.
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I know Desmond Mason does every year. He married a smokin hot little blondie from Jesuit.
 
This signing makes sense for everyone. With Joel, Oden and Pendergraph injured, the Blazers need a rent-a-big to back-up Camby until one of Joel/Greg gets back. Oberto isn't great, at this point in his career, but he's cheap, knows the game and will accept his role - splitting the back-up center minutes with LaMarcus until one of Joel/Greg gets back. As soon as one of them gets back, he will move to the end of the bench. As soon as they are both back, he'll move behind the bench in street clothes. Yes, Dampier is better, but he wants a two year deal, more money (which means he also expects to actually play) and I doubt he'd be happy moving from starter last year to 4th string once our other centers are back in about a month.

The one year deal also makes sense. Pendy is out for the season, so Oberto takes his roster spot. Pendy still gets paid his full salary and the Blazers can always re-sign him next year. They didn't hold his Bird rights anyway. So, this doesn't impact their ability to re-sign him in any way.

And, I'm not sure why people are concerned about his rehab. I'm sure, no matter where he does it and who he works with, it's all covered by insurance. So, he gets paid his full salary, can focus on his rehab and can chose who he wants to work with and where it will take place. He'll be fine. The club didn't do him any disservice. He is being taken care of.

BNM
 
I get why we did it, but I think it was a bad move. Oberto sucks. He's undersized and he's washed up. Pendy will be a valuable reserve in the future.
 
tlongII said:
I get why we did it, but I think it was a bad move. Oberto sucks. He's undersized and he's washed up. Pendy will be a valuable reserve in the future.
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Undersized in what sense of the word? he's legitimately 6'10." It might not be a great move because his ability to play has fallen off a cliff the last couple of years. Secondly, I seriously doubt your claim that Pendy was suddenly going to morph into a valuable reserve because of his play -- the guy is a 6'8" power forward with the game of a center.
 
this is what happens when you wait to the last minute. amazingly the blazerS knew the situation in early july
 
MIXUM said:
this is what happens when you wait to the last minute. amazingly the blazerS knew the situation in early july
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Jeff Pendergraph hurt his knee two weeks ago, that's who he's really replacing. I think you're making the mistake thinking that this guy is somehow going to replace Greg or Joel, when all they really want is a warm body in practice and occasional spot minutes at the 4 or the 5 depending on foul trouble and health.
 
Well we've finally got that low post scoring threat, that should shut the critics up for awhile..
 
dude i agree but if and when camby gets hurt..... this guy is gonna play. hes no howard
 
On Courtside they said Pendergraph was going to be on a lot through the year. I wonder if that's still going to be the case.
 
tlongII said:
I get why we did it, but I think it was a bad move. Oberto sucks. He's undersized and he's washed up. Pendy will be a valuable reserve in the future.
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Future in this case means next season at the earliest. He's out for the year. Waiving him now and signing Oberto to a one year contract has absolutely no impact on the Blazers re-signing Pendergraph next year - none at all. They do not hold his Bird rights, so waiving him is totally irrelevant. If they want to sign him, they can do so using part of the MLE, the bi-annual exception (assuming they didn't just use it on Oberto) or a minimum player salary exception. Simple as that.

BNM
 
MIXUM said:
dude i agree but if and when camby gets hurt..... this guy is gonna play. hes no howard
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Er ... Howard had one of the worst adjusted plus-minus numbers of any rotation big man in the NBA last year. Don't get me wrong, he could give you 6 hard fouls and hit that little 15 footer, but I think Oberto and Howard are closer (in terms of sucktastic-ness) than you might imagine. If and when Camby gets hurt, let's just hope Joel is back by then and actually able to play at decently high level.

Anyway, I get your premise; Oberto sucks and isn't likely to help us a ton, especially in the case of catastrophy, but until or unless Cho can put together some kind of deal to bring in a truly adequate or even good backup 4-5, there's no point in fretting over it. It is what it is.
 
I wish Pendy luck, but the Blazers did exactly what they should do. One of the reasons NBA players get paid huge guaranteed money, is so that if they get injured, which is an innate risk in sports, they are not out on their asses. He will make 762 thousand this year while he rehabs. If he is good enough to make a team in the future, be it with the Blazers or a different team, he will make gobs of money again.

But the Blazers have a responsibility to honor their contracts, which they are. Not to keep a guy who can't help the team just to make him feel good. His contract is up anyway after this season, and the Blazers don't hold bird rights so they if they kept him ,there would be zero benefit to the Blazers. They would have been paying him just to in the same situation at the end of the season.

As far as Oberto goes, I hope he doesn't have to play. And if he does, i think he can be a decent stopgap for spot minutes. i'm not excited about grabbing him. but this is mostly a signing to give a little help over the next two months, and after that, if things go somewhat as expected, Oberto should become invisible.
 
MIXUM said:
this is what happens when you wait to the last minute. amazingly the blazerS knew the situation in early july
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I agree with this to a certain extent. Relying on Pendergraph playing any sort of role this year was not smart, IMO... he's just not very good.

The team has three starting-level centers, and that's great, but even if they're all healthy I'm not sure that they would have made up for the fact that we have no backup power forward of consequence. If the team had improved that spot in the last few years, we'd be in a better position to absorb this ridiculous rash of injuries.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
The team has three starting-level centers, and that's great, but even if they're all healthy I'm not sure that they would have made up for the fact that we have no backup power forward of consequence.
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If all three of our starting-level centers are healthy, Camby can play the back-up 4. He played the 4 with the Clipps beside Kaman at the 5. For all the good things Camby does, he's not much of a low post offensive threat. He prefers to take that ugly looking top of the key jumper over posting up on the low block.

What he does bring to the back-up 4 is what we've needed there for years - defense and rebounding. I originally pictured a Paul Millsap or DeJuan Blair wide-body banger type in that role, but if Oden and Przybilla are both healthy and manning the 5, Camby can be used very effectively as a back-up 4 for 12 - 15 MPG. He'd certainly be better in that role than Pendergraph would have.

Now, we just need to get all three of our starting-level centers healthy. If that ever happens, we'll be more than fine at the 4 and 5 spots.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Future in this case means next season at the earliest. He's out for the year. Waiving him now and signing Oberto to a one year contract has absolutely no impact on the Blazers re-signing Pendergraph next year - none at all.
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Not exactly right, but close. If he was under contract - offers from other teams next year would be limited per the Arenas provision - so it would be easier for the Blazers to match. Since he will be a full-free-agent next year, this provision no longer applies - so if the Bobcats decide to sign him to a max-contract next year - they are free to do it - where they would not have been had he remained under contract to Portland this year.

Of course, in the practical application of this situation - since no-one will give him a stupid contract after a year out and what he showed so far - the conclusion is correct - it really makes no difference about next year unless some team really loses it's head.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Undersized in what sense of the word? he's legitimately 6'10." It might not be a great move because his ability to play has fallen off a cliff the last couple of years. Secondly, I seriously doubt your claim that Pendy was suddenly going to morph into a valuable reserve because of his play -- the guy is a 6'8" power forward with the game of a center.
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Jeff is 6'10" as well. At least according to the pre-draft meaurements, he was 6'10" in shoes and 6'8.75" barefoot.
 
andalusian said:
If he was under contract - offers from other teams next year would be limited per the Arenas provision.
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Jeff Pendergraph ain't no Gilbert Arenas. Gil has a much greater variety of weapons, both on and off the court.

andalusian said:
Of course, in the practical application of this situation - since no-one will give him a stupid contract after a year out and what he showed so far - the conclusion is correct - it really makes no difference about next year unless some team really loses it's head.
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Yeah, I know you're just covering all the hypotheticals, but I ignored the Arenas provision because I knew it was a non-factor in this case. Pendegraph will always be a min. salary. or maybe partial MLE player, at best (if he even sticks in the league). I like his energy and toughness, but he lacks the talent and size to ever be anything more than a marginal back-up.

BNM
 
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