Blazers swap Clevelands 2018 first for 2017 first.

[Denny Crane]

Speaking of favors...

One season, the Bulls had to scramble to get under the LT late in the year. Player bonuses earned for making the all-star team pushed them over. In order to get under, they cut Erik Murphy and Utah picked him up and thus his salary came off the Bulls' books.

Utah owed the Bulls a favor because the Bulls turned the signing of Boozer into a S&T, giving Utah a massive TPE.

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-b...-favor-saves-bulls-potential-luxury-tax-woes/

 

[illmatic99]

Speaking of favors...

One season, the Bulls had to scramble to get under the LT late in the year. Player bonuses earned for making the all-star team pushed them over. In order to get under, they cut Erik Murphy and Utah picked him up and thus his salary came off the Bulls' books.

Utah owed the Bulls a favor because the Bulls turned the signing of Boozer into a S&T, giving Utah a massive TPE.

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-b...-favor-saves-bulls-potential-luxury-tax-woes/

David Griffin owes Neil quite a bit. He's taken Mike Miller/Varejao/this pick, etc etc all for very little compensation.

 

[Minstrel]

Neil has 10 more days of razzle dazzle before Woj knows what we're doing

 

[Chris Craig]

Holy 30th pick Batman! This years pick will be more enticing to teams we are looking to make a trade with, since they will see their return quicker....hope Neil has something good up his sleeve!

 

[Minstrel]

Bad move. Cleveland is likely to be worse next year than this year.

Even if they're worse next year, their draft pick may not rise much due to the conference they're in. Unless another team takes a major jump forward (which a team like the Celtics or Raptors could), Cleveland could be a bit worse and still win the conference.

 

[Trackjack]

Neil is the assist man but if he never use to better the team then he just blowing smoke. But with Paul loving the draft I guess he pretty excited about this year draft.

 

[MarAzul]

Meh! Hardly worth a thought.
I wonder if I will ever see a Blazer team that is a contender again? Or do we need to trade PA?

 

[Minstrel]

Meh! Hardly worth a thought.
I wonder if I will ever see a Blazer team that is a contender again? Or do we need to trade PA?

Allen hasn't been the problem. He's presided over two teams that with better luck could easily have won the title. The 2000 team should have--blowing a 15 point fourth quarter lead in game 7 really doesn't have much to do with the owner. And the 2009-onwards Blazers team could have become a title favorite if Oden and Roy had not succumbed to health issues. Roy/Aldridge/Oden/Batum/Matthews would have been a powerhouse.

Even the best ownership is only going to preside over a few legitimate title shots. Miss those windows due to bad luck and you get a long, long drought.

 

[MarAzul]

Roy/Aldridge/Oden/Batum/Matthews would have been a powerhouse.

 

[BonesJones]

This pick swap wasn't done as a favor. This draft is deeper. This will be a better pick.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I wonder if we will see a 3way deal with us, Cleveland, and Chicago that deals us Butler (obviously CJ would have to go). Cleveland owes us one because we've helped them like four (?) times in the past two years (Haywood, Miller?, Varejao, now moving picks around)

 

[TBpup]

Looks like I might be holding a Draft Party again.

 

[Minstrel]

Looks like I might be holding a Draft Party again.

Honk once for Markelle Futz, honk twice for Josh Jackson.

 

[TBpup]

Honk once for Markelle Futz, honk twice for Josh Jackson.

I just wait for who D69 thinks should be the pick.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

No. There's so many good players that'll be available at that pick. You don't draft guys just for their listed height. That's why Thabeet went 2nd.

I wasn't serious but It'd be fun to have an oddity on the roster.

We could probably get Tacko late in the second round.

 

[BonesJones]

How close does this package get us to Butler?

CHI Gets: Harkless, Plumlee, Vonleh, Noel, 2017 POR 1st, 2019 POR 1st, 2020 Right to Swap w/ POR, 2021 POR 1st

PHI Gets: Crabbe, 2017 CLE 1st

POR Gets: Jimmy Butler, Robin Lopez

 

[Scalma]

How close does this package get us to Butler?

CHI Gets: Harkless, Plumlee, Vonleh, Noel, 2017 POR 1st, 2019 POR 1st, 2020 Right to Swap w/ POR, 2021 POR 1st

PHI Gets: Crabbe, 2017 CLE 1st

POR Gets: Jimmy Butler, Robin Lopez

If we wanted butler the conversation would have to start with CJ. I'd be willing to give up a package centered around CJ for Butler. That's a two way stud right there. Pair him with Dame and use some of our other assets to pick up a center/PF and were in business.

My question is...why is Chicago looking to trade Butler??

 

[Minstrel]

How close does this package get us to Butler?

CHI Gets: Harkless, Plumlee, Vonleh, Noel, 2017 POR 1st, 2019 POR 1st, 2020 Right to Swap w/ POR, 2021 POR 1st

PHI Gets: Crabbe, 2017 CLE 1st

POR Gets: Jimmy Butler, Robin Lopez

Very far. They're not going to listen to any proposal that doesn't include Lillard or McCollum. Butler is better than either player, IMO. There is no combination of assets Portland has that adds up to Butler without one of those two in it.

 

[tlongII]

Well we got Anderson Varejou out of the deal so there is that.

 

[TBpup]

I wasn't serious but It'd be fun to have an oddity on the roster.

We could probably get Tacko late in the second round.

Tacko Fall has a reported 8' wingspan. That makes Rudy Gobert look like Jerryd Bayless.

 

[oldfisherman]

I just wait for who D69 thinks should be the pick.

Where is that rascal? I miss D69.

 

[BonesJones]

If we wanted butler the conversation would have to start with CJ. I'd be willing to give up a package centered around CJ for Butler. That's a two way stud right there. Pair him with Dame and use some of our other assets to pick up a center/PF and were in business.

My question is...why is Chicago looking to trade Butler??

Very far. They're not going to listen to any proposal that doesn't include Lillard or McCollum. Butler is better than either player, IMO. There is no combination of assets Portland has that adds up to Butler without one of those two in it.

I would think that package is attractive though. Three young, cheap players with good starter to all-star potential in Harkless, Noel, and Vonleh plus 4 future picks is nothing to sneeze at. They'd have cap space to try to sign a couple impact players to put next to Wade and great role players in Harkless and Noel, and they'd also be set for the future.

 

[Minstrel]

I would think that package is attractive though. Three young, cheap players with good starter to all-star potential in Harkless, Noel, and Vonleh plus 4 future picks is nothing to sneeze at. They'd have cap space to try to sign a couple impact players to put next to Wade and great role players in Harkless and Noel, and they'd also be set for the future.

Well, ask yourself if you'd trade Lillard for Harkless, Noel, Vonleh and three picks (it's not four picks, one was an option to swap picks). Not to mention, a pick four years in the future isn't really super valuable. It's not like three 2017 first rounders.

I doubt you'd trade Lillard for that. In fact, if a fan of another team suggested a trade like that (substituting non-Blazers of similar value for Harkless and Vonleh), I'm pretty sure you'd be outraged.

And, personally, I think Butler is better than Lillard.

 

[BonesJones]

Well, ask yourself if you'd trade Lillard for Harkless, Noel, Vonleh and three picks (it's not four picks, one was an option to swap picks). Not to mention, a pick four years in the future isn't really super valuable. It's not like three 2017 first rounders.

I doubt you'd trade Lillard for that. In fact, if a fan of another team suggested a trade like that (substituting non-Blazers of similar value for Harkless and Vonleh), I'm pretty sure you'd be outraged.

And, personally, I think Butler is better than Lillard.

Lillards done more with less. The only thing Butler has on him is defense. Lillards a better scorer, passer, ball handler, leader..

 

[Sarni]

Lillards done more with less. The only thing Butler has on him is defense. Lillards a better scorer, passer, ball handler, leader..

What? Butler scored 52 recently. He is a good offensive player too.

 

[Trackjack]

I wouldn't give that much for Bulter your take away 1/4 of your team plus your future in picks for 1 player that might have chemistry problems in the locker room. Teams don't give a player of caliber of Bulter if there not chemistry problem. The only other reason is Paxison is most stupid individual trying put a team together. Plus Wade went to the Bulls because of Bulter.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I wouldn't give that much for Bulter your take away 1/4 of your team plus your future in picks for 1 player that might have chemistry problems in the locker room. Teams don't give a player of caliber of Bulter if there not chemistry problem. The only other reason is Paxison is most stupid individual trying put a team together. Plus Wade went to the Bulls because of Bulter.

Would anyone really be surprised to see the Bulls blow up though? They are one of the worst run teams in the NBA, imo. They have talent and location yet always make dumb roster moves (like getting rid of Thibs and adding Rondo to Wade and Butler).