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igotask8board said:
Any proof?



Proof?



You never know. Paul Allen is extremely wealthy.
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Proof? Well let's see . . . you seem to be the only one who thinks Miles won't get paid and I'm guessing you don't know the sitaution in depth if you are a Heat fan. I would have to say it is your statement that needs "proof"

Burden's on you buddy . . . but I'll save you the time:
Darius Miles’ waiver – via the medical retirement following the examination of an independent physician – amounts to a financial bonanza for the Blazers. Insurance will pay 80 percent of his $26.5 million salary from 2007-08 through 2009-10 seasons.

Miles’ salary is removed from Portland’s payroll, which dips below $64 million this season. It means that, rather than paying luxury tax (the threshold this season is $67.865 million), the Blazers will be the recipient of more than $3 million in tax benefit for this season

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=120846542045537100


I know, I know . . . where is the writer of the article's "proof"?
 
igotask8board said:
I bet you Houston was trying to convince Memphis to play Miles for 4 games. They gave them a 2nd rounder, cash, and Steve Francis. I doubt Daryl Morey burried the hatchet, Batum turned out great for Portland. They sabotoged the Rockets deal with Chicaco to get Roy, and outbid them for Fernandez. I wish Morey would sign Miles. Too bad the Rockets have 15 players. That email is really sickening.
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How? explain it to me? You sound just like all the other people are outraged simply because they don't understand what they're reading. Explain to me how it is sickening, please.
 
it's_GO_time said:
Proof? Well let's see . . . you seem to be the only one who thinks Miles won't get paid and I'm guessing you don't know the sitaution in depth if you are a Heat fan. I would have to say it is your statement that needs "proof"

Burden's on you buddy . . . but I'll save you the time:
Darius Miles’ waiver – via the medical retirement following the examination of an independent physician – amounts to a financial bonanza for the Blazers. Insurance will pay 80 percent of his $26.5 million salary from 2007-08 through 2009-10 seasons.

Miles’ salary is removed from Portland’s payroll, which dips below $64 million this season. It means that, rather than paying luxury tax (the threshold this season is $67.865 million), the Blazers will be the recipient of more than $3 million in tax benefit for this season

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=120846542045537100


I know, I know . . . where is the writer of the article's "proof"?
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I know he gets paid either way, I said he gets paid A FRACTION. 80% is a FRACTION.
 
igotask8board said:
I know he gets paid either way, I said he gets paid A FRACTION. 80% is a FRACTION.
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Again, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Insurance is paying him 80%, the Blazers are paying him the other 20%. He's still getting paid. Quit jumping to conclusions and actually read the material you're being provided.
 
Natebishop3 said:
White collar warfare.

Maybe Paul Allen should offer OJ Mayo 100 million never to play basketball again.
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Better yet...

Paul Allen should buy a European team and pay the best players on other NBA teams 5x what they can make in the NBA to come play for him in Europe - especially the Celtics, Grizzlies and anybody else that picks up Miles for two games. Let's see... How about a starting five of Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard- with OJ Mayo coming off the bench.

If these other pissant owners want to screw with the richest owner in sports, he needs to let them know there will be consequences - serious consequences.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Better yet...

Paul Allen should buy a European team and pay the best players on other NBA teams 5x what they can make in the NBA to come play for him in Europe - especially the Celtics, Grizzlies and anybody else that picks up Miles for two games. Let's see... How about a starting five of Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard- with OJ Mayo coming off the bench.

If these other pissant owners want to screw with the richest owner in sports, he needs to let them know there will be consequences - serious consequences.

BNM
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would.

love.

that.

only if a team tries to screw us.
 
igotask8board said:
I bet you Houston was trying to convince Memphis to play Miles for 4 games. They gave them a 2nd rounder, cash, and Steve Francis. I doubt Daryl Morey burried the hatchet, Batum turned out great for Portland. They sabotoged the Rockets deal with Chicaco to get Roy, and outbid them for Fernandez. I wish Morey would sign Miles. Too bad the Rockets have 15 players. That email is really sickening.
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What deal with Chicago? Minnesota drafted Roy. Portland didn't sabotage anything. They wanted Roy all along. He was the reason they made the trade with Boston to get the 7th pick. They new Minnesota wanted Foye. So, when Minnesota took the player they wanted, Portland took the player Minnesota wanted and made the swap. If anything, it was Houston trying to sabotage Portland, who had the higher pick, by getting Minnesota to take Roy in attempt to keep the Blazers from getting him.

If other teams/owners are bitter because the Blazers have gotten the better of them in trades, the answer is simple - hire a better GM. Trying to screw Portland because your GM made a bad trade, or couldn't out maneuver Pritchard, might feel good short term, but it's not a long term solution to your problems. All it's going to do is make Pritchard and Paul Allen angry and even more determined to build a winner in Portland.

BNM
 
I kind of like the rest of the league hating us again....

When the blazers are dominating in 2 years, i hope we show ZERO mercy. run the f'n scoreboard up. fuck the rest of the L.
 
noknobs said:
KP audio -- Doesn't appear to be having a great day...

http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2009/01/audio_kevin_pritchard_comments.html
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Wow . . . KP does not look happy and when asked if he thought sending out the email was the right thing in light of all the negativity about it around the league, he said almost with resignation I don't know. That speaks volumes to me.

I hope over the weekend, PA and co step back and send out an implied apology (like the implied threat). I know it is hard for people with that kind of power to take that course of action, but it is the right thing to do . . .
 
Natebishop3 said:
The Union wouldn't look at it logically. They obviously had the knee-jerk reaction of "omg we need to step in and defend our players." This has all become political at this juncture. Whether the Blazers are in the right or not, the media will spin it with Portland as the bad guys, and Miles as the victim. The Players Union will want to make a showing in favor of Miles, so the rest of the players will feel safe if they were in this situation.
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If the union looked at it logically, they would realize that Miles is being paid by the Blazers for this year and next, and that another team signing Darius SOLELY to extract money from Paul Allen would actually make for one less team to play in this summer's free agent market, and thus one more huge contract for a member of their union that won't otherwise exist.

The NBA players' union should have just kept their mouth shut.
 
igotask8board said:
I believe that shot took more than .8 seconds.
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What constitutes trolling around here? Seriously you should read before posting. The fact that you didn't know that the blazers will pay the other 20% says a lot about you.
 
We are now probably the most hated team in the NBA right now. Smooth move, Larry.
 
Boob-No-More said:
What deal with Chicago? Minnesota drafted Roy. Portland didn't sabotage anything. They wanted Roy all along. He was the reason they made the trade with Boston to get the 7th pick. They new Minnesota wanted Foye. So, when Minnesota took the player they wanted, Portland took the player Minnesota wanted and made the swap. If anything, it was Houston trying to sabotage Portland, who had the higher pick, by getting Minnesota to take Roy in attempt to keep the Blazers from getting him.

If other teams/owners are bitter because the Blazers have gotten the better of them in trades, the answer is simple - hire a better GM. Trying to screw Portland because your GM made a bad trade, or couldn't out maneuver Pritchard, might feel good short term, but it's not a long term solution to your problems. All it's going to do is make Pritchard and Paul Allen angry and even more determined to build a winner in Portland.

BNM
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When the Rockets found out Portland was trading for Roy and not Gay, they tried to make a deal with Atlanta (sorry not Chicago) that would send Luther Head and Sheldon Williams to the Hawks for Brandon Roy (the #5 pick). Portland said they would draft Williams if Roy wasn't available, so Atlanta backed out of the deal.

Then Portland bids the max for Fernandez. Joint venture my ass. They screwed Houston out of two shooting guards. Morey tried his best to screw the Blazers. I'm pretty sure you guys are safe because no one wants to fuck with Paul Allen's pockets.
 
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If we had the equivalent of Tom Brady and Randy Moss, I'd kind of like to see some 150-95 games. :dunno:

Until that point, let's just keep building the team.
 
Bob Dobalina said:
What constitutes trolling around here? Seriously you should read before posting. The fact that you didn't know that the blazers will pay the other 20% says a lot about you.
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It's not common knowledge. And I still haven't seen a link that proves that. Until then, I doubt it's true.
 
Best case scenario: It works. No GM's sign Miles. Miles Files a lawsuit that fails, and the Blazers walk away with salary space.

Worst case scenario: It doesn't work, Miles signs, plays 2 games, and the Blazers have to pay his salary. Paul Allen sues somebody and loses. Miles sues the Blazers anyhow and wins. Paul loses some cash.

I can live with either one. All you can do is wait and see.
 
it's_GO_time said:
Memphis also signed Steve Francis . . . who hasn't played. Could this be used to show they did not have ill intentions when trying out Miles?

Also, could the Livingston situation be used to show that teams are intersted in players who displayed NBA talent before an injury and are curious to see if they still have it. I guess the difference with Livingston is no report . . . but I'm guessing you could find a reputable doctor, approved by all sides, that would get the same diagnosis as Miles. :dunno:
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It's funny you mention Livingston, because the Grizz are so strapped for cash they traded away a pick for some cash and the right to waive Livingston. Now, they are at the center of a controversy that will net them around $300k, but means over $8 million in tax overall out of the Blazer organization.

That's completely unethical, and I hope that Chris Wallace gets fired and is out of the NBA after this season for this BS.
 
PapaG said:
It's funny you mention Livingston, because the Grizz are so strapped for cash they traded away a pick for some cash and the right to waive Livingston. Now, they are at the center of a controversy that will net them around $300k, but means over $8 million in tax overall out of the Blazer organization.

That's completely unethical, and I hope that Chris Wallace gets fired and is out of the NBA after this season for this BS.
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So for the sake of argument, why are you so convinced they weren't trying out Miles? They signed Francis who seems as big of a risk as Miles . . . and they aren't screwing over any team by signing Francis. maybe they are just desperate.
 
Geezus... for a non-game day, what is going on with our team? Quite eventful

- This Darius mess.
- Questions about RLEC, and whether the insurance can be included in the trade
- Roy's injury, and whether he'll make it back
- LMA's ear drum has a freakin' hole in it
- The team wears headbands to show unity
- KP looks like he got Pritch-slapped and Larry Miller is nowhere to be found

Anything else?
 
igotask8board said:
When the Rockets found out Portland was trading for Roy and not Gay, they tried to make a deal with Atlanta (sorry not Chicago) that would send Luther Head and Sheldon Williams to the Hawks for Brandon Roy (the #5 pick). Portland said they would draft Williams if Roy wasn't available, so Atlanta backed out of the deal.

Then Portland bids the max for Fernandez. Joint venture my ass. They screwed Houston out of two shooting guards. Morey tried his best to screw the Grizzlies. I'm pretty sure you guys are safe because no one wants to fuck with Paul Allen's pockets.
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Houston.. could have bid the max for Fernandez too? The only reason Portland got Fernandez is because they traded Randolph to New York with Freddy Jones and Dan Dickau for Channing Frye and Steve Francis. This created a trade exception which they then traded with three million cash to Phoenix for James Jones (so they could have extra cash to sign Grant Hill without being over the luxury threshhold) and the rights to Rudy Fernandez.

If Houston could have found a way to take James Jones' contract I'm sure they would have done the deal with Houston.

Portland got creative and won. Don't hate us for having Tom Penn.
 
igotask8board said:
I know he gets paid either way, I said he gets paid A FRACTION. 80% is a FRACTION.
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Let me speak veeeerrrryyyy sllllooowwwwlllyyy.

Darius gets his entire contract, but the Blazers as of right now are only paying 20% of the contract. Insurance is paying the other 80%. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
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