Blazers To Decide On Sitting Lillard, Surgery Soon?

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Should Lillard

  • Sit out games for an extended period to see if his ab heals

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Get the damn surgery

    Votes: 33 89.2%

  • Continue taking a few games off here and there and playing

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Play through it and get surgery in the offseason

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    37
riverman said:
When I looked up Dames injury they said the recommended treatment for the inflammation was rest and strengthening of muscles around the tissue.....there's no surgery to fix that unless it's torn...last time Dame came back from it it wasn't torn but inflamed and only if there's a tear is there surgery required....no one has said they found a tear yet as far as I know so it could just be a condition that requires calming down the inflamed area and working on strengthening the abs around it. If it's torn that's a much more serious condition
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That’s why he’s seeking more specialists
 
riverman said:
When I looked up Dames injury they said the recommended treatment for the inflammation was rest and strengthening of muscles around the tissue.....there's no surgery to fix that unless it's torn...last time Dame came back from it it wasn't torn but inflamed and only if there's a tear is there surgery required....no one has said they found a tear yet as far as I know so it could just be a condition that requires calming down the inflamed area and working on strengthening the abs around it. If it's torn that's a much more serious condition
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It might be more than a matter of just rest. He indicated this has gone on in seasons before, so it's not completely healing even in the off-season.
 
TBpup said:
No one indicated or specified a reason for the regression, just that statistically, there has been one.

Hopefully Dame does return to form. I want him to win a title here. But so far in 10 years, it hasn't been close to even being a contender. What can happen in the next 6 months to realistically change that? Not saying it can't be done, but what is a legitimate pathway to that goal?
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I didn’t mean to say that you were pointing at a specific cause. I think it’s the use of the word regression that bugs me since it implies that there’s something going on that is a likely trend going forward. I’d say every player who plays injured sees some fall-off in production. The question is whether there’s reason to think that “regression” is going to be the trend once the injury heals. Dame’s performance after the injection, at least while the cortisone was doing its job, would say the answer is no.
 
TBpup said:
Hopefully Dame does return to form. I want him to win a title here. But so far in 10 years, it hasn't been close to even being a contender. What can happen in the next 6 months to realistically change that? Not saying it can't be done, but what is a legitimate pathway to that goal?
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so because you can't see one the Blazers should just give up and trade Dame?
 
blazerkor said:
I like it when someone pretends to know what's better for a guy's own body than he does, especially a guy who has been meticulous in the way he's taken care of himself physically over his career.
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I like it when someone loses focus on the green font :biglaugh:
 
SlyPokerCat said:
We should explore our options if we can't get him the help he needs to compete.
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I guarantee the phone has rung off the hook about Dame since the day he was drafted.....Joe Cronin I'm pretty sure has been aware of all those options his whole career...and the answer from the front office is and always has been.....no way. The other 13 guys...sure...look at the options and make some big moves
 
Play him 48 minutes a game, every game, until he's barely alive.

Then rebuild him. We have the technology. Probably would only cost around $6M.

barfo
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Yes.
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I don't know who but I'll just speak for myself:

Blazers should take a position that says to not trade Dame unless he asks to be traded. Certainly don't hang up the phone if anybody makes offers, you never know what will be offered but it's almost certain not to be anywhere close enough to a good return

Olshey was fired just a month ago. There has only been one minor trade around the league in that time. What that fuckhead Olshey did was burn thru nearly a decade of Dame's career, refusing to see the reality of his shitty roster building and his asinine overrating of CJ. Portland owes Dame at least one honest attempt to build a contender around him. They never did that under Olshey and they sure as fuck haven't had time to do it under Cronin

I think talking about trying to trade Dame now is nuts
 
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wizenheimer said:
I don't know who but I'll just speak for myself:

Blazers should take a position that says to not trade Dame unless he asks to be traded. Certainly don't hang up the phone if anybody makes offers, you never know what will be offered but it's almost certain not to be anywhere close enough to a good return

for fuck sakes, Olshey was fired just a month ago. There has only been one minor trade around the league in that time. What that fuckhead Olshey did was burn thru nearly a decade of Dame's career, refusing to see the reality of his shitty roster building and his asinine overrating of CJ. Portland owes Dame at least one honest attempt to build a contender around him. They never did that under Olshey and they sure as fuck haven't had time to do it under Cronin

I think talking about trying to trade Dame now is nuts
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Exploring our options and trying to trade Dame don't necessarily mean the same thing.

You don't have to put him officially on the block right now.

This franchise needs to take a long look in the face at where they want to go. Certainly in the offseason.

With a lotto pick this offseason we have plenty of paths to take.

The only path I want is towards becoming a contender. Many people have ideas on how we get there. We just aren't close right now to being anything than a treadmill team.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't know who but I'll just speak for myself:

Blazers should take a position that says to not trade Dame unless he asks to be traded. Certainly don't hang up the phone if anybody makes offers, you never know what will be offered but it's almost certain not to be anywhere close enough to a good return

for fuck sakes, Olshey was fired just a month ago. There has only been one minor trade around the league in that time. What that fuckhead Olshey did was burn thru nearly a decade of Dame's career, refusing to see the reality of his shitty roster building and his asinine overrating of CJ. Portland owes Dame at least one honest attempt to build a contender around him. They never did that under Olshey and they sure as fuck haven't had time to do it under Cronin

I think talking about trying to trade Dame now is nuts
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Talking about "trading" Dame is not nuts, just an option that IMO should be considered as "due diligence", as should be rebuilding around him. Take away the emotion and there is logic and common sense. However I will say with this injury issue this is NOT the time to trade him - not gonna get enough IMO with injury doubt. Now if we actually have enough decent trade scenarios that we have a chance to rebuild around Dame then my all means try that - I have my doubts we have enough "assets" but would love to be proven wrong, frankly the ONE saving grace could be if we land a top 3 pick and use that to land a star that actually fits well with Dame. I am starting to think Dame is going to sit out the rest of the season, we will play the young guys as much as possible and look to get rid of CJ/Roco/Nurk/Nance (maybe Norm but I like him) before the deadline for decent assets if we can and then perhaps swing for a big trade this summer with perhaps a top 3 pick in our pocket.
 
Blazinaway said:
Talking about "trading" Dame is not nuts, just an option that IMO should be considered as "due diligence", as should be rebuilding around him. Take away the emotion and there is logic and common sense. However I will say with this injury issue this is NOT the time to trade him - not gonna get enough IMO with injury doubt. Now if we actually have enough decent trade scenarios that we have a chance to rebuild around Dame then my all means try that - I have my doubts we have enough "assets" but would love to be proven wrong, frankly the ONE saving grace could be if we land a top 3 pick and use that to land a star that actually fits well with Dame. I am starting to think Dame is going to sit out the rest of the season, we will play the young guys as much as possible and look to get rid of CJ/Roco/Nurk/Nance (maybe Norm but I like him) before the deadline for decent assets if we can and then perhaps swing for a big trade this summer with perhaps a top 3 pick in our pocket.
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Roster building 101 - never trade a lotto pick. Even if it means getting your star help.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Roster building 101 - never trade a lotto pick. Even if it means getting your star help.
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I feel like Neil loved to use draft picks instead of swinging for the fence because it would buy him time.

"Look at all these tall white guys! Eventually they will maybe possibly develop into something (if they're healthy)."
 
Natebishop3 said:
I feel like Neil loved to use draft picks instead of swinging for the fence because it would buy him time.

"Look at all these tall white guys! Eventually they will maybe possibly develop into something (if they're healthy)."
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I get it. If we get the number 1 pick or a top 3 pick and can get an Evan Mobley. Absolutely. But, timelines don't completely mesh with Dame. That doesn't mean it can't work, but you have to shuffle our other pieces anyways. We can not have a Dame - CJ backcourt anymore.

If a star is in his prime and available, you absolutely consider the pick in trade talks to see what it would take.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I feel like Neil loved to use draft picks instead of swinging for the fence because it would buy him time.

"Look at all these tall white guys! Eventually they will maybe possibly develop into something (if they're healthy)."
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I suspect it was his lazy way of swinging for the fences. He probably fancied himself as swinging for stars in the draft, which doesn't require all that messy relationship-building and getting other teams to agree to things, like trades. After drafting Lillard (whether we give him "credit," if he liked Lillard at that spot, I'm sure he takes credit for choosing Lillard) and McCollum, his two "gems," I would bet he saw himself as a great drafter.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
If a star is in his prime and available, you absolutely consider the pick in trade talks to see what it would take.
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easier said than done. if all it took was salary filler + mid lotto pick to land a younger star on a long term deal, that would be a no brainer.
 
illmatic99 said:
easier said than done. if all it took was salary filler + mid lotto pick to land a younger star on a long term deal, that would be a no brainer.
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I would be fine with stars in their late 20's early 30's too. Players that fit Dames timeline.
 
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Blazinaway said:
Talking about "trading" Dame is not nuts, just an option that IMO should be considered as "due diligence", as should be rebuilding around him. Take away the emotion and there is logic and common sense. However I will say with this injury issue this is NOT the time to trade him - not gonna get enough IMO with injury doubt. Now if we actually have enough decent trade scenarios that we have a chance to rebuild around Dame then my all means try that - I have my doubts we have enough "assets" but would love to be proven wrong, frankly the ONE saving grace could be if we land a top 3 pick and use that to land a star that actually fits well with Dame. I am starting to think Dame is going to sit out the rest of the season, we will play the young guys as much as possible and look to get rid of CJ/Roco/Nurk/Nance (maybe Norm but I like him) before the deadline for decent assets if we can and then perhaps swing for a big trade this summer with perhaps a top 3 pick in our pocket.
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I really really hope you're right about this. Let's see Cronin do some big, smart things and keep this job. I like the guy but if he doesn't make really big changes to this roster at the deadline, we have to find a GM that's willing to make the bold moves it's going to take to get us off this treadmill and into contention.

Oh and I do also want him to trade Norm and I want him to trade Ant... the only thing that clearing the deck for Ant and not trading him will do is make sure we either lose him for nothing or overpay him.
 
riverman said:
Dame should get fixed and rehab.....this season is a wash anyway but I for one will not hold my breath that a lottery pick will be the answer to our troubles...we need proven two way players around Dame next season and snipers....I say play and let it enfold organically....don't believe in intentionally tanking but do believe it's an opportunity to find bench players with a future ...at the rate we're going we'll more than likely get a good pick but losing intentionally is not something a team should ever do in my view.
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But we could get a Doncic or Mobley type that helps immediately or in the second year. Or trade the pick. Dallas made a conscious decision to tank and look how that worked. They have a franchise player who may end up one of the greatest of all time.
 
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