Blazers to Play @Utah on Christmas Day (Chris Haynes)

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He only played for half a season though. A lot of players make that 2nd year jump. I just think his defense will be good enough where there won't be much of a drop off on our bench.
I guess we’ll see! I’ll be cheering for him to succeed. My original point was mainly that I can see the arguement that the Blazers could be worse this year. Not that I necessarily take that side.
 
I guess we’ll see! I’ll be cheering for him to succeed. My original point was mainly that I can see the arguement that the Blazers could be worse this year. Not that I necessarily take that side.
I don't see it. Even if that doesn't happen, Curry is a big upgrade, and Nurk and Harkless should put together better seasons. I even have hope for our offensive system as Terry seems to have had an epiphany.
 
I don't see it. Even if that doesn't happen, Curry is a big upgrade, and Nurk and Harkless should put together better seasons. I even have hope for our offensive system as Terry seems to have had an epiphany.
Was it him or NO that said we’d be playing more through ET and they’r Trying to build the 2nd unit around him. That’s a bad epiphany heh.
 
We beat Utah and broke there winning streak twice one there and one at home. Last one clinch our Northwest championship and secure third place. So with both team coming back basically the same I think we got a good chance winning the game. Yes Utah is tuff on their home court.
 
You better pray we get 41 son.

I'm not worried about them getting 41 wins. I think fans are way over selling other teams "improvement" and under selling the importance of having competent backups.
 
I'm not worried about them getting 41 wins. I think fans are way over selling other teams "improvement" and under selling the importance of having competent backups.
Thats just it though. We will miss Ed so much man. I don't think our backups are any better than last season, I really don't.
 
Thats just it though. We will miss Ed so much man. I don't think our backups are any better than last season, I really don't.
How do you feel about Curry taking Napier’s minutes?

Like obviously you’re “closer” to them than I am, but I thought Napier seemed like a really good scrappy defender but offensively was kind of a net negative most of the time. I see Curry as kind of the opposite.
 
Thats just it though. We will miss Ed so much man. I don't think our backups are any better than last season, I really don't.

True but you can never underestimate what a leader Lillard is. It wasn't Ed that got us to that record last year, it was Lillard putting the team on his back and dragging it there.
 
NO, but I think that meant trying to get pieces that fit better with him on the bench, not necessarily using him more than we have.

"We can't keep Ed so I can get players that won't make ET's contract look so horrible. Now if I can only get players that will make Meyers look good."

- Neal Olshey
 
True but you can never underestimate what a leader Lillard is. It wasn't Ed that got us to that record last year, it was Lillard putting the team on his back and dragging it there.
Dame does give me hope. I hate to say this, I really do, but I think Mitchell might some day be as good as Dame. It’s probably a couple years away still, but that guy is really good. Will he be as good of a leader? No idea.
 
Dame does give me hope. I hate to say this, I really do, but I think Mitchell might some day be as good as Dame. It’s probably a couple years away still, but that guy is really good. Will he be as good of a leader? No idea.
Why do you hate to say it? Mitchell's a great human being with a beautiful game.
 
I recommend moving on from the 3 guys who aren't on the team this season...we signed a bunch of shooters to score off the bench and have some guys who I think will make the leap as contributors ...expect Nurk to have a great season....people keep talkin' about Zach as if he's the only big we have...he's not..people think Ed's rebounding won't be replaced....I think it will but by two guys. I think Layman has more natural game than Pat Connaughton ever will and I think Wade Baldwin can be much better than Bazz as well as throw an alley oop pass on a dime...time will tell but on paper I say we're better this season...Swanigan is going to get you some rebounds, set screens and he needs to play...Meyers will get you some rebounds ..don't see the huge drop off myself
 
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I recommend moving on from the 3 guys who aren't on the team this season...we signed a bunch of shooters to score off the bench and have some guys who I think will make the leap as contributors ...expect Nurk to have a great season....people keep talkin' about Zach as if he's the only big we have...he's not..people think Ed's rebounding won't be replaced....I think it will but by two guys. I think Layman has more natural game than Pat Connaughton ever will and I think Wade Baldwin can be much better than Bazz as well as throw an alley oop pass on a dime...time will tell but on paper I say we're better this season...Swanigan is going to get you some rebounds, set screens and he needs to play...Meyers will get you some rebounds ..don't see the huge drop off myself

I contend that we call rebounds GMTS - Give me that shit.

How many GMTS did Nurk get? 10.

He got a double double! 12 points 10 GMTS's!

Perfect.
 
The only team that's gotten better in the West is the Lakers cuz they got LeBron. That's it from where I'm looking. I remember last summer when our division was supposed to be so improved and then we ran away with the division title. I'm glad we'll be playing on Christmas Day. Does anyone know our Christmas Day record? I believe it's very good. I'll see if I can find it online.
 
The only team that's gotten better in the West is the Lakers cuz they got LeBron. That's it from where I'm looking. I remember last summer when our division was supposed to be so improved and then we ran away with the division title. I'm glad we'll be playing on Christmas Day. Does anyone know our Christmas Day record? I believe it's very good. I'll see if I can find it online.
Obviously you're not factoring in that teams on our level might be healthier this year.
 
And why's that? Curry is an upgrade over Shabazz and Napier. Collins should be able to replicate Davis production. Harkless and Nurkic were horrible for half the year so if they put together a more consistent season, we should be better I theory. We'll probably win less games because of injuries and the West is tougher than last year, but I don't see how we put a worse product out on the floor. I'm interested to hear you explain that.

Utah didn't do anything this summer and we were arguably on the same level. We won their last year. I don't see why we'd be heavy underdogs.
Bones bro be realistic, they were 19:28 in January because of many injuries and 3 Months later they almost overtook us. If healthy they are better than us, also expect improvement from mitchell over the next Year while our two best Players are in their Primes
 
Bones bro be realistic, they were 19:28 in January because of many injuries and 3 Months later they almost overtook us. If healthy they are better than us, also expect improvement from mitchell over the next Year while our two best Players are in their Primes
I expect the same level of improvement out of Collins. We beat them twice during that healthy stretch. Teams know how-to gameplan for Mitchell now.
 
Thats just it though. We will miss Ed so much man. I don't think our backups are any better than last season, I really don't.

Here's the thing. Almost every stat out there strongly suggests that Seth, Nik and Wade ARE better than the backups at the guard spot. I realize that Ed wasn't a guard, but the league is guard/wing driven. One of the biggest issues with this team last year (and the year before) was lack of shooting from the bench. Turner and Davis can't shoot for shit. Shabazz, Pat, Moe and to a lesser degree Aminu aren't really consistent shooters, and NONE of these guys can successfully run an offense OR create for themselves efficiently enough to be deemed an actual threat on offense.

Curry is a better shooter than Pat was and Shabazz was. At worst, CousCous is a replacement for Pat. Baldwin has better shooting skills and PG skills than Shabazz, and he's a much better defender than Pat and Shabazz are.

Ed was a nice player, and I appreciated what he brought to the game. But he's the modern defensive version JJ Hickson, minus the ability to actually score from more than 3 feet out. By that I mean in 2018 he is an offensive liability much like JJ was a huge defensive liability.

Especially given Stotts offense, you NEED to be able to shoot outside shots, otherwise the defense can just lay off the player and double CJ and Damian, or force other players to create the offense, because they *know* no one will be able to make a shot or create offense for himself or the team. And with Ed Davis on the court, the team was always playing 4 on 5 offensively. His lack of shooting ability put a hamper on the teams ability to spread the floor successfully.

That's not to say that Curry, CousCous and Alec Baldwin are studs (I think Baldwin has the best chance to be a solid contributor of the 3). I realize Curry is coming off of an injury and we don't know how he'll be (but that is the same for Roberson on the Thunder, but apparently people think he'll instantly be back to form). He also has a semi small sample size, but he's started more games and produced a lot more impressive #'s in his time than Shabazz has, in the games he has played.

CousCous wasn't anything spectacular and Baldwin has a very small sample size. But here's the big point it seems to be missing, it's not so much that those 3 are guaranteed to be better, as much as it's just that Pat and Shabazz were just not that good to begin with.

For whatever reason, Stotts offense can make players who can shoot but are overall so-so players, look decent. Pat and Shabazz were those players last year. Crabbe was that player before.

Look at Crabbes stats from his Portland days to Brooklyn. Sure, he scored more, but his FG% dropped and his 3 FG% dropped like a stone (still better production than what the team got out of Pat and Shabazz mind you).
 
Bones bro be realistic, they were 19:28 in January because of many injuries and 3 Months later they almost overtook us. If healthy they are better than us, also expect improvement from mitchell over the next Year while our two best Players are in their Primes

Many injuries? Who besides Gobert was out?

Mitchell missed 2 games during the stretch you mentioned (Utah went 1-1).
Favors missed 3 during this stretch (Utah went 1-2, but I don't think is lack of playing is why they lost @ Cleveland and @ Houston).
Rubio missed 1 game (0-1)

Why did you pick game 47? Gobert had been back for 3 games by that point.You should've picked game 44. So, Imma do both scenarios, because I'm bored and can't sleep.

after 47 games, Utah was 19-28 and finished the year 29-6. After 44 games, Utah was 18-26, and finished the year 30-8.

By comparison, after 47 games Portland 25-22 and finished the year 24-11. After 44 games, Portland was 23-21 and finished the year 26-12.

For full disclosure, over 82 games that's between 65 and 67 games for Utah and 56 for Portland. Obviously a better record for Utah.

It was impressive, but while Utah got healthy, Portland got injured.

Admittedly, Moe was almost a complete non factor for the first 50+ games. But after game 47, Moe missed 13 games (including the last 9 regular season game). Because he was almost a non factor in the first 50+ games, his missing games 45-47 don't really matter to me.

But over the last 9 games, the Blazers went 4-5 in the games he missed. Realistically losing 3 games they should have won (Memphis twice and San Antonio). Even if you take out the San Antonio game from the hypothetical win column, 2 more wins would mean the Blazers would have gone 26-9 (24-11 to 26-9) with your start date, and 28-10 in mine (26-12 to 28-10).

Over 82 games, that's going from 56 wins to 60 based off of their record after 47 games (same #'s for my scenario too)

So Utah going 29-6 (or 30-8 after game 44) is awesome and means they'll be dominate next year, whereas 24-11 (or 26-12 after game 44) while missing a starter for 9 of those games (and potentially going 26-9 or 28-10) means nothing?

I'm not saying that Moe is on par with Gobert, he isn't. Not even close.

I also understand that one could argue that if Gobert was healthy all year, they would have won more games. But I'd just counter by saying had Moe not sucked shit for most of the year (until the end)...my aunt would've been my uncle.
I'm just pointing out that the grass is greener.

Of course, as with anything, circumstances matter. If Moe sucks again, it won't help matters. Or if Gobert gets hurt. Or something unexpected happens (Trent, Curry, Simons or Collins have a significantly unexpected boost in production)...
 
If that was true, they'd pick a better opponent than "41 wins" Portland.
Not really. 5 games on Christmas, and s Lakers and Warriors play each other. They need a Pacific coast team in there. Portland fits nicely into that
 
Not really. 5 games on Christmas, and s Lakers and Warriors play each other. They need a Pacific coast team in there. Portland fits nicely into that

why do they need a pacific coast team all the sudden? Why not the last few years?
 
why do they need a pacific coast team all the sudden? Why not the last few years?
The late the l as dr 3 years has been the Lakers. (Pacific time)

This year they are playing the Warriors, so they need a fuller Pacific game.

So the last few year.. in fact every year, they have a 10:30 et game
 
The late the l as dr 3 years has been the Lakers. (Pacific time)

This year they are playing the Warriors, so they need a fuller Pacific game.

So the last few year.. in fact every year, they have a 10:30 et game

wait, their game is the 7:30 game? Sheeeeit. That's like 8:30 Utah time.

I'd hate to have to go to games that start that late.
 

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