Blazers to Tankers: FU, We're Winning

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Natebishop3 said:
That's the rumor. Supposedly Golden State offered one of Klay or Barnes with Lee. Not sure how true that was, but if we HAD taken Cleveland's offer, we could have Oladipo/Gobert (hindsight being 20/20) and Thompson to go with Dame. Maybe we keep Batum or draft the Greek Freak instead of CJ if we already had Oladipo. Things could be drastically different right now if we had dealt LA.
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Oladipo, Greek Freak, Gobert.... That would've been... Wow but hindsight like you said. However we would have to pay those dudes A LOT. The Klay deal would've been better imo long run.
 
e_blazer said:
Hey, if he can hit a home run in the draft, whoopee! Nobody would be happier. Olshey's recent picks in the mid-lottery range include: CJ, Leonard, and Aminu. CJ is the only one with even a sniff at being an All-Star. Not exactly confidence building that there's probable gold in that path.
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Which is why I want the Blazers to "fuck up properly" and get into that 4-7 range. I think Olshey might be able to find a gem.
 
e_blazer said:
Hey, if he can hit a home run in the draft, whoopee! Nobody would be happier. Olshey's recent picks in the mid-lottery range include: CJ, Leonard, and Aminu. CJ is the only one with even a sniff at being an All-Star. Not exactly confidence building that there's probable gold in that path.
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Who would you say has a better chance at being an All-Star? Gobert? The guy screams role player to me. Realistically Giannis Antetokounmpo has the best shot at being a star, but he strikes me as more of a decent All-Star type guy, and not a superstar.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Who would you say has a better chance at being an All-Star? Gobert? The guy screams role player to me. Realistically Giannis Antetokounmpo has the best shot at being a star, but he strikes me as more of a decent All-Star type guy, and not a superstar.
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My post wasn't intended to say anything bad about what Olshey has done in the draft; he's picked 3 guys who are solid rotation players. CJ is probably the top 1 or 2 guy of his draft. My point is that there isn't likely to be the difference-maker that we're seeking available in the range we're likely to be picking. A full-on tank, like Nik is proposing, might get us into the 4-7 range and a better shot at a major talent, but there's no certainty to it. If we were talking about a reasonable shot at Simmons, I could get the excitement for the draft, but we can't tank hard enough to out-tank the bottom 3 teams.
 
e_blazer said:
My post wasn't intended to say anything bad about what Olshey has done in the draft; he's picked 3 guys who are solid rotation players. CJ is probably the top 1 or 2 guy of his draft. My point is that there isn't likely to be the difference-maker that we're seeking available in the range we're likely to be picking. A full-on tank, like Nik is proposing, might get us into the 4-7 range and a better shot at a major talent, but there's no certainty to it. If we were talking about a reasonable shot at Simmons, I could get the excitement for the draft, but we can't tank hard enough to out-tank the bottom 3 teams.
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Sorry, I guess I didn't write my thought out completely. I was basically saying that the CJ draft was pretty weak overall. Not a lot of talent, and really zero superstars, but stars can be had in that range. I think getting into the top 10 is key. Drummond was taken, what, 8th? I think Neil has a good eye for talent. I trust him. Maybe we don't get top 5, but I would personally prefer a top 10 pick over the playoffs and no pick at all.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sorry, I guess I didn't write my thought out completely. I was basically saying that the CJ draft was pretty weak overall. Not a lot of talent, and really zero superstars, but stars can be had in that range. I think getting into the top 10 is key. Drummond was taken, what, 8th? I think Neil has a good eye for talent. I trust him. Maybe we don't get top 5, but I would personally prefer a top 10 pick over the playoffs and no pick at all.
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To me, that's a no-brainer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We aren't playing better. We are right on course. I predicted 32 wins this year and so far it looks like I'm going to be really close. You're acting like we have no talent and that's not true. We have dame, CJ, and a bunch of role players. That's simply not enough to ever be considered a contender.

If CJ is as good as Wes and Aminu is at least as good as batum last season, we are still down one all star power forward. How are we going to replace that giant hole that LMA left?


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Who do you think is an LA level big at 8 or lower??? Cmon now
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sorry, I guess I didn't write my thought out completely. I was basically saying that the CJ draft was pretty weak overall. Not a lot of talent, and really zero superstars, but stars can be had in that range. I think getting into the top 10 is key. Drummond was taken, what, 8th? I think Neil has a good eye for talent. I trust him. Maybe we don't get top 5, but I would personally prefer a top 10 pick over the playoffs and no pick at all.
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And Drummond was the best big taken between 6-14 in the past decade, but I guess you could back up your point with that anomaly if you really want to.
 
Looking at some of the better Cs in the league now:

Vucevic: 16th pick
Gobert: 27th pick
DeAndre: 35th pick
D.Green: 35th pick
M. Gasol: 47th pick
Gortat: 57th pick
Mozgov: undrafted
Whiteside: undrafted

hmm. There's talent to be found later in the draft for big man positions.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Looking at some of the better Cs in the league now:

Vucevic: 16th pick
Gobert: 27th pick
DeAndre: 35th pick
M. Gasol: 47th pick
Gortat: 57th pick
Mozgov: undrafted
Whiteside: undrafted

hmm
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He went between 6-14 just so someone wouldn't bring up this list.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Looking at some of the better Cs in the league now:

Vucevic: 16th pick
Gobert: 27th pick
DeAndre: 35th pick
D.Green: 35th pick
M. Gasol: 47th pick
Gortat: 57th pick
Mozgov: undrafted
Whiteside: undrafted

hmm. There's talent to be found later in the draft for big man positions.
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Absolutely. But Portland won't have a pick in that area this season so we would be waiting till after next season for this pick so they don't even arrive till Dame is 27....so that is waiting this year and next year to get Dame help.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Which is why I want the Blazers to "fuck up properly" and get into that 4-7 range. I think Olshey might be able to find a gem.
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FWIW

The Blazers won 33 games and ended up picking CJ at #10 in the offseason. CJ is a rising star, but only in his 3rd season.

Crabbe was taken at #31 and is a double digit scorer off the bench.

Neil will do just fine no matter where we pick.

A guy 4-7 might turn out to be another Vonleh.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
There have been some good ones. Bynum, Noah, Lopez, Monroe, Noel.
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None better than Drummond

yuyuza1 said:
Looking at some of the better Cs in the league now:

Vucevic: 16th pick
Gobert: 27th pick
DeAndre: 35th pick
D.Green: 35th pick
M. Gasol: 47th pick
Gortat: 57th pick
Mozgov: undrafted
Whiteside: undrafted

hmm. There's talent to be found later in the draft for big man positions.
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KeepOnRollin said:
He went between 6-14 just so someone wouldn't bring up this list.
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No, I went between 6-14 because everybody wants us to tank so we end up in the lottery.

If there's a sleeper we like (like one on your list), then we could easily trade for a late first/early second. Let's make the playoffs and find a late round gem.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I get it. But you had been kinda quiet lately so I was worried that maybe your faith was wavering. I gladly stand corrected......and shoulda known better. And the next time we do the suite thing, we need you to be there. It's a boatload of positive energy. I'll even pay for the babysitter if that helps.....
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Next time I should be able to make it. The thing with my wife's father is really recent, so it's been a bit chaotic lately. Plus I've been super-heads down on my music, getting another album done.

Some years I'm louder than others, but this year has been fun so far. I'm not disappointed or down on the team at all.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Next time I should be able to make it. The thing with my wife's father is really recent, so it's been a bit chaotic lately. Plus I've been super-heads down on my music, getting another album done.

Some years I'm louder than others, but this year has been fun so far. I'm not disappointed or down on the team at all.
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Well said.
 
Sometimes I wonder if journalists write things to kiss up to players...get in good with them so they get better interview answers etc...
 
Denny Crane said:
FWIW

The Blazers won 33 games and ended up picking CJ at #10 in the offseason. CJ is a rising star, but only in his 3rd season.

Crabbe was taken at #31 and is a double digit scorer off the bench.

Neil will do just fine no matter where we pick.

A guy 4-7 might turn out to be another Vonleh.
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I agree he could do well...but if the Blazers make the playoffs, their next pick is in the summer of 2017.
 
TBpup said:
Sure they could go acquire one by trade, by purchase....whatever. But as of now....
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Let's win as many as possible and then see what Neil can do. He's got a lot of cap space, two expiring contracts on top of that, and players he can deal.
 
Thr lottery is suspect almost a good amount of the time. I think or five or six draft classes where the top was front loaded but that's about it. Free agency is going to make or break the future of this team. It's that way for the entire NBA now. There isn't as much league wide talent and European players are staying home in greater numbers. But I want Neil to pull some Steve Balmer-type shit this off season. We cant take no for an answer. Don't sell this town.... sell the vision of this team! We aren't talking about missing out on Greg Monroe. We are taking the life and death of the f-cking franchise. Let's make future free agents look at Neil like he's Robert Evans with a silver coke spoon!

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Im behind the game on this and many threads... Been sicker than shit last few days.

But I wont to zero in on this.....

PCmor7 said:
You really think "many" people would see us making the playoffs as 100 percent negative? I don't think anyone reading most of the posts about getting a high draft pick could realistically conclude that.

I think getting a better draft pick this year is a bigger win for the Blazers than getting into the playoffs. I won't be mad if they make it in. I just think that the team needs more talent, and I think our best opportunity to do that is through the draft, either by picking a player that makes us better or by having a pick to put into a trade that makes us better. If we make the playoffs, we don't have a draft pick, and we'll have to pull off a really good trade and/or making a bigger splash in free agency than we do normally. We can do that, but we also can do both of those things with a high draft pick which gives us more room for error and a better chance of hitting it big.

I like having a team that is always competitive. But I also like to have a team that can challenge to go deep into the playoffs. Barring Vonleh turning into a much better offensive player than he's looking so far, I don't think you can expect any of these other guys to make a CJ-like jump, and that team is at best a borderline playoff team. Get stuck in there and it's hard to get out. However, you add some kind of dynamic presence to the current mix, and suddenly you have a team that might be in the top four in the West for half a decade or more. I'll take missing the playoffs for that over fighting for the eighth spot until Lillard's career is over.

The Blazers aren't the 76ers. The Blazers have talent and the Blazers can play with and sometimes beat very good teams. But they don't have enough of the former to consistently do the latter, so we need more.

Aside from the fact that we've won more than I thought we would, this season has gone pretty close to what I think it had to be for the team to become the best it could be in the next couple of years. I don't root for losses or go to bed mad if we win. I think a lot of fans feel the same way as I do. Like someone else said, this is an 82-game preseason. I think we win pretty much however it turns out, but I think having the lottery pick is the best scenario.
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Cant talent develop though? Some of the guys on this team are still unknowns that might just develop into that needed talent. Playoff experience can be a huge help to growth.

BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Yes, let's eye #8 seed in this year's playoffs at the expense of our future. Grand idea.
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Please read my comment above. If players can grow and develop ( most do in the NBA, especially bigs) and the Playoffs can be a great experience to help with growth and knowledge of what it takes, how is that sacrificing the future?

If we make the playoffs, I think we will be better off than if we retain one pick that definitely wont be a top 5 at this point....

As wook can scream... FUCK THE DRAFT!!!

Dviss. You also said that there is more than one way to win, but then said we need our draft pick because of being a small market. But if there is more than one way to win, then how come we cant win with growth and experience?


Guys... this team is EXTREMELY YOUNG!!!! Give them time to figure out where we will actually level off at before just dismissing this team and saying we dont have enough talent. The talent on this team has not yet been completely defined....
 
^I don't disagree, and I've said in the past if this team has the potential, I'd like to see them in the playoffs. I'd kinda rather have a lotto pick, though, than crawl in the playoffs as an eighth seed with like 38 wins.
 
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