Trade Blazers trade away Noah Vonleh (1 Viewer)

[Natebishop3]

It is 100% financial.
The Blazers are a business first and foremost. They should always make the decision that make the most financial sense.
More fans need to understand that.

You don’t win championships by thinking like a business.

 

[Hoopguru]

Dude doesn't appear on Trade Machine, probably just his rights - he's 32.

So, a salary dump, pure and simple.

That's good move!
Props to Neil!

 

[julius]

I have been thinking about this a lot lately and most of our problems as an organization began with Paul Allen buying the team. We have heard so many things about the Vulcans and the tampering and this feels like a financial move that didn’t come from a basketball standpoint.

for starters, no, it didn't "begin" with him buying the team. It just became more obvious with a media that pointed it out a lot more than it did before.

Also, there are restrictions to being in the lux tax, where it hamstrings your ability even more so than most fans realize. This means they can sign a free agent (MLE I believe) easier than they could before that.

Also, honestly, we have fans who bitch about Neil signing Turner, Meyers and Moe (I never liked those signings, only liking maybe Moe), but then bitch when no other team wants to take those contracts. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.

Doesn't this kind of trade make it easier, financially, for them to re-sign Ed and Shabazz? Since they won't be paying the repeater tax?

Somehow, and I know I'm going out on a limb here, I think the team understands the ins and outs of the CBA and what implications come from being a repeat lux tax spender.

 

[Blazers Roy]

AMAZING!
Excellent teamwork! Terry made sure to ruin Vonleh's confidence and value and Neil was right there to trade his expiring contract for nothing.

Where would we be without those guys??

 

[julius]

You don’t win championships by thinking like a business.

The fuck you don't. the Warriors won because they thought like a business. They saw ways around the cap, had the benefit of Curry being on a tiny contract, and utilized what they could do.

One thing is for sure, you don't win titles thinking like a fan.

 

[tester551]

for starters, no, it didn't "begin" with him buying the team. It just became more obvious with a media that pointed it out a lot more than it did before.

Also, there are restrictions to being in the lux tax, where it hamstrings your ability even more so than most fans realize. This means they can sign a free agent (MLE I believe) easier than they could before that.

Also, honestly, we have fans who bitch about Neil signing Turner, Meyers and Moe (I never liked those signings, only liking maybe Moe), but then bitch when no other team wants to take those contracts. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.

Doesn't this kind of trade make it easier, financially, for them to re-sign Ed and Shabazz? Since they won't be paying the repeater tax?

Somehow, and I know I'm going out on a limb here, I think the team understands the ins and outs of the CBA and what implications come from being a repeat lux tax spender.

If we use the regular MLE, Portland will be hard-capped and will be unable to resign most of their FA. If they use the tax-MLE, they will still have flexibility.

It doesn't impact the ability for Portland to re-sign Ed or Shabazz. It just wouln't cost as much in taxes 3 years from now.

Portland will not be re-signing Shabazz anyhow. They'll get Ed to sign for right around the MLE ($8M/yr).

 

[Blazers Roy]

The fuck you don't. the Warriors won because they thought like a business. They saw ways around the cap, had the benefit of Curry being on a tiny contract, and utilized what they could do.

One thing is for sure, you don't win titles thinking like a fan.

They won a chip because were lucky with some picks and even then they wanted to trade Klay for Kevin Love.

 

[JustMyThot]

Bye, Noah. I had given up on you last year, but you stuck with it, and got really good this year. Great work! The Bulls are short on centers, here's hoping you get some really good minutes

I'll applaud when you're introduced when you visit Moda. Say hi to Rolo!

 

[tester551]

They won a chip because were lucky with some picks and even then they wanted to trade Klay for Kevin Love.

There is SOME luck involved...
However, most people MAKE their own LUCK.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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Fixed your post for you. Thanks for finding and posting the video.

 

[H.C.]

LOL. I'd literally trust Kingspeed more with this franchise than Olshey

GM kingspeed - Hi this is the Blazers. I'll offer you Jake Layman for KD. He made 7 threes against you guys in 2016 he's better than KD by far. It's not close, you won't make the playoffs without Jake Layman.

Warriors GM - ... ?? ...

GM kingspeed - on second thought, no I won't trade you Jake Layman. He's better than KD and we don't need him. Have fun being a trash organization who can never win a championship. You guys aren't even good enough to make the playoffs.

Warriors GM - ... ?? ...

 

[Pinwheel1]

Isn't this what we were all assuming would happen? Trade a player who was not playing to get under the luxury cap? You guys act surprised. I liked Noah, but Collins beat him out. Now they can go back over the luxury tax this summer and not be a repeat offenders. Resign Napier and Davis.

 

[Blazers Roy]

There is SOME luck involved...
However, most people MAKE their own LUCK.

I just don't like that Lacob narrative of Warriors management being a group of savants who are light years ahead of all the other monkeys found on other teams.

 

[illmatic99]

What a cluster fuck. I'm sure Dame is thrilled. Two moves to undo mistakes where we just give away so called assets

 

[ripcityboy]

Man. If we don't make the playoffs, Neil is gone. In fact, now that I think about it, he's just gone.

 

[cmeese47]

Well, it sucks that they got little out of the trade with Batum/Charlotte, but on the plus side...at least they're not paying Batum 77 million over the next 3 years to average 12 points a game.

Instead they decided to spend that on Evan Turner and Meyers Leonard instead. Just typical Olshey being terrible at his job.

 

[lamlor]

Fixed your post for you. Thanks for finding and posting the video.

Appreciate that. I am a 50 year old non-techy. And you are welcome for the video. I had to see if the guy really existed.

 

[Mediocre Man]

GM kingspeed - Hi this is the Blazers. I'll offer you Jake Layman for KD. He made 7 threes against you guys in 2016 he's better than KD by far. It's not close, you won't make the playoffs without Jake Layman.

Warriors GM - ... ?? ...

GM kingspeed - on second thought, no I won't trade you Jake Layman. He's better than KD and we don't need him. Have fun being a trash organization who can never win a championship. You guys aren't even good enough to make the playoffs.

Warriors GM - ... ?? ...

Pretty much. And still better than Neil

 

[TBpup]

It is 100% financial.
The Blazers are a business first and foremost. They should always make the decision that make the most financial sense.
More fans need to understand that.

It's a financial move because Neil put them in a place where they had to make a move like this to get under the cap. Gave away Crabbe, now gives away Vonleh, and in Noah's case, had to pay cash to do so.

#Inept

 

[Jade Falcon]

Instead they decided to spend that on Evan Turner and Meyers Leonard instead. Just typical Olshey being terrible at his job.

I agree with you, but this starts at the top with Paul Allen. When you have to "launch an investigation" on your own team to find out basic things about why they suck, when everyone around you knows what the problem is just by looking at the situation, then you know that you are seriously out of touch with your franchise.

This doesn't bode well for us. Fuck Neil and his goddamn shitty trades, but fuck Allen for allowing it to happen with such incompetence.

 

[LuckyShot]

LOL. Pathetic.

 

[Blazers Roy]

It could have been worse, at least he didn't trade Lillard and CJ for Griffin and DeAndre.

 

[lamlor]

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

We spent far too much last offseason and still have not paid the luxury tax. Not exciting, but it was the right move going forward.

The free agent market is not going to be lucrative this coming offseason so we might be able to sign our free agents without going into the luxury tax too far. Turner, Leonard, and Harkless will all be on two year deals. Still not ideal but we have better flexibility with trades and/or buyouts.

Good luck to Noah. I hope he does well in Chicago. Aminu is clearly better and PF is his best position. Collins is going to need minutes and I have higher hopes for Swanigan than I did for Vonleh. We have all three of those guys on good deals so IMO he was just the odd guy out.

 

[craigehlo]

 

[Tweak]

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Needs more bears...

 

[riverman]

Got under the cap...Noah gets to play in Chicago and the Batum trade is history now...we got rights to a Euro stash player and a trade exception while avoiding the repeater tax....I'm sure other guys were offered up but no takers...it was probably Olshey's last option on the table.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Needs more bears...

Is he the Serbian Bear? We already have the Bosnian Beast!

 

[riverman]

Is he the Serbian Bear? We already have the Bosnian Beast!

He looks like Gortat's youngest brother...dude looks stout

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I liked Noah and he seemed to play well with Nurk. I really don’t know what happened. The organization must have soured on him somehow.