Trade Blazers trade for Robert Covington!!

[HolyBackboard]

I'm not buying the Gordon news one bit ... doesn't pass the smell test.

1) Covington is a much better fit, a better defender, and a better shooter
2) I don't see Orlando getting more than 2 picks for AG. What we paid for RoCo would have been a huge overpay for Gordon, imo.

 

[Hoopguru]

If we were to keep 16 Covington could have been the type of player we drafted. So, I think giving up Ariza and next years protected pick was a nice move by Neil for a plug and play versatile veteran.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Okay, this has me excited.

By my calculations:
* $31,626,953 Dame
* $29,354,142 CJ
* $12,138,345 Covington
* $12,000,000 Nurk
* $5,406,255 Collins
* $2,252,040 Simons
* $2,210,640 Little
* $1,882,867 Mario
* $1,663,861 Trent Jr
* $1,984,005 (Dead money - Vaejao)
* $2,844,430 (Dead money - Nichols)
$103,363,548 Total Guaranteed

Lets assume we get Milsap for the full MLE
* $9,258,000 Milsap
And I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Blazers bring back Hood. We can sign him using the Early-Bird rights up to 175% of his previous salary. I'll assume 'worst case'
* $10,006,500 Hood
I think we'll bring back Gabriel for the min -
* $1,620,564 Gabriel

With 12 players signed, that puts the Blazers at $124,248,612. The tax line is $132,627,000. That puts us under the tax line by about $8,378,388.

In this scenario, we still have the following exceptions to fill out the roster:
- Minimum salaries.
- BAE $3,623,000
- Trade Exception (Kent Bazemore trade) $7,069,662
- Bird rights to Whiteside

With $8,378,388 and the above noted exceptions, what should we do with final 3 roster spots?

Looking at the current state of the roster, I think we need to add some depth at center and a true backup point guard. I wouldn't be against bringing back Whiteside on a reasonable contract. Or use the TPE and work with another team to pick up a center (Kanter?). Then follow that up with signing a vet point guard using the BAE.

I love this Blazer activity. I'm all in!

 

[BigGameDamian]

If we were to keep 16 Covington could have been the type of player we drafted. So, I think giving up Ariza and next years protected pick was a nice move by Neil for a plug and play versatile veteran.

These are the types of moves the Blazers need to make! Dame is now 30 years old.
We have enough young guys.

 

[tester551]

Okay, this has me excited.

By my calculations:
* $31,626,953 Dame
* $29,354,142 CJ
* $12,138,345 Covington
* $12,000,000 Nurk
* $5,406,255 Collins
* $2,252,040 Simons
* $2,210,640 Little
* $1,882,867 Mario
* $1,663,861 Trent Jr
* $1,984,005 (Dead money - Vaejao)
* $2,844,430 (Dead money - Nichols)
$103,363,548 Total Guaranteed

Lets assume we get Milsap for the full MLE
* $9,258,000 Milsap
And I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Blazers bring back Hood. We can sign him using the Early-Bird rights up to 175% of his previous salary. I'll assume 'worst case'
* $10,006,500 Hood
I think we'll bring back Gabriel for the min -
* $1,620,564 Gabriel

With 12 players signed, that puts the Blazers at $124,248,612. The tax line is $139,000,000. That puts us under the tax line by about $14,751,388.

In this scenario, we still have the following exceptions to fill out the roster:
- Minimum salaries.
- BAE $3,623,000
- Trade Exception (Kent Bazemore trade) $7,069,662
- Bird rights to Whiteside

With $14,751,388 and the above noted exceptions, what should we do with final 3 roster spots?

Looking at the current state of the roster, I think we need to add some depth at center and a true backup point guard. I wouldn't be against bringing back Whiteside on a contract around $10M. That would be more than other teams could offer him with their MLE. Or use the TPE and work with another team to pick up a center (Kanter?). Then follow that up with signing a vet point guard using t he BAE.

I love this Blazer activity. I'm all in!

The TPE for Kanter & #30 (Scrubb) will take 2 of those roster spots.

 

[Hoopguru]

These are the types of moves the Blazers need to make! Dame is now 30 years old.
We have enough young guys.

I think fans and teams sometimes over value draft picks for the Assoc. these days.

 

[TBpup]

"According to online site BetOnline.ag, the Blazers have fallen from 33-1 odds for a title on October 7th to 50-1 today, November 17th." (After acquiring Covington)

Well that is a smack in the face.

 

[Chris Craig]

Wait a minute, I thought teams couldn't trade consecutive picks

 

[Chris Craig]

"According to online site BetOnline.ag, the Blazers have fallen from 33-1 odds for a title on October 7th to 50-1 today, November 17th." (After acquiring Covington)

Well that is a smack in the face.

We got better and our odds went down?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Wait a minute, I thought teams couldn't trade consecutive picks

Are you talking about the Blazers? That is why they have to wait until after they draft tomorrow night to finalize the trade.

 

[julius]

Wait a minute, I thought teams couldn't trade consecutive picks

I think it's a case of "we will trade you the 2020 pick after we drafted it and THEN trade you the 2021 pick after that".

Esp considering the protection on the pick, it's doable.

 

[TBpup]

We got better and our odds went down?

By a lot!

 

[Chris Craig]

Are you talking about the Blazers? That is why they have to wait until after they draft tomorrow night to finalize the trade.

I think it's a case of "we will trade you the 2020 pick after we drafted it and THEN trade you the 2021 pick after that".

Esp considering the protection on the pick, it's doable.

Right. Duh. Because will draft for them and trade them the player, Ariza, and the 2021 1st rnd protected

 

[Chris Craig]

By a lot!

Maybe its because PHX got better and the Warriors will be back

 

[Chris Craig]

So how long do you have to wait to trade a player who has opted in a player option?

Ariza has to opt in to be traded right

 

[TBpup]

So how long do you have to wait to trade a player who has opted in a player option?

Ariza has to opt in to be traded right

Guessing that already happened as a condition of the deal.

 

[PCmor7]

"According to online site BetOnline.ag, the Blazers have fallen from 33-1 odds for a title on October 7th to 50-1 today, November 17th." (After acquiring Covington)

Well that is a smack in the face.

Taking Ariza out of the mix really submarined our chances to compete. The league knows we're tanking ....

 

[MickZagger]

I think fans and teams sometimes over value draft picks for the Assoc. these days.

It’s the easiest way for a small market to build a quality franchise.

 

[julius]

Taking Ariza out of the mix really submarined our chances to compete. The league knows we're tanking ....

They clearly think Ariza was the difference between barely making the playoffs and being the 3rd seed.

 

[tester551]

So how long do you have to wait to trade a player who has opted in a player option?

Ariza has to opt in to be traded right

Soon as a player opts INTO their player option - they can be traded.

Ariza was under contract. It was partially guaranteed. There is no option to opt into/out of there. Portland only had to increase the amount he was guaranteed (to ~$7M) to complete the trade under the CBA.

 

[Hoopguru]

It’s the easiest way for a small market to build a quality franchise.

It’s the easiest way for a small market to build a quality franchise.

Its been important to Portland for sure. The draft, especially middle late round seems to be a 50/50 chance a player could help a team like Portland take the next step for Dames sake. A balance of youngsters from the draft which we already have, veterans acquired either through FA & trade's seem to the recipe for improvement.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

By a lot!

I read something about this earlier today. It wasn’t the result of the deal for RoCo. We’d probably have been lower if not for the deal. We were already trending down given recent deals by other team and speculation that a significant amount of quality players will be changing teams.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Huge!!!!!!

dame/Simons
Cj/trentjr
Roco/hood/little
Melo/collins/hezonja
Nurk/whitside?

thats pretty solid overall

need one more upgrade at pf/center and we are contenders.
Fuck cp3...

 

[BigGameDamian]

Huge!!!!!!

dame/Simins
Cj/trentjr
Roco/hood/little
Melo/collins/hezonja
Nurk/whitside?

thats pretty solid overall

need one more upgrade at pf/center and we are contenders.
Fuck cp3...

Aaron Gordon, Danilo Gallinari, Paul Millsap, Jae Crowder?

 

[MickZagger]

Huge!!!!!!

dame/Simins
Cj/trentjr
Roco/hood/little
Melo/collins/hezonja
Nurk/whitside?

thats pretty solid overall

need one more upgrade at pf/center and we are contenders.
Fuck cp3...

I like Melo but I think we’re in bad shape if he’s our starting PF

 

[kjironman1]

Simins

I love this!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Aaron Gordon, Danilo Gallinari, Paul Millsap, Jae Crowder?

Eh...

I like Melo but I think we’re in bad shape if he’s our starting PF

yep. That's why i said we need one more upgrade at powerforward/center.
I don't think were in trouble with Melo starting but i don’t think were contenders. He should be our leading bench scorer.

 

[TBpup]

I like the Covington trade although think it makes a bigger impact if he is playing mostly at SF. If he ends up at PF most of the time, I think it minimizes his impact. Stotts loves to go small....but what has that really every accomplished outside of one year at Dallas when he was the Asst. Coach?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I like the Covington trade although think it makes a bigger impact if he is playing mostly at SF. If he ends up at PF most of the time, I think it minimizes his impact. Stotts loves to go small....but what has that really every accomplished outside of one year at Dallas when he was the Asst. Coach?

Warriors were the best team of all time going small. LeBron's teams that won titles have basically always gone small with him surrounded by shooters. This years Lakers were bigger, but thats basically the only year LeBron has been part of a team that is bigger.

I'm really fine with getting another big forward, I think much more important than if Roco is at SF vs PF is if the other forward we get contributes on both ends of the court. During the DameCJ era we seem to only have offensive guys like Melo or defensive guys like Aminu; this gets exposed in the playoffs.

 

[Natebishop3]

I lowkey would really like to get Draymond. Not sure what that would cost but putting Draymond with Nurk, RoCo, and GTJ would be insanely good defense.