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B-Roy said:
Am I missing something? Is that what one of the NO Announcers said?
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yeah the announcers said that they thought roy had a bad game because he was psyched out being on the same court as chris paul.
 
Well if thats the case, Roy might as well go in and punch him in the gnards first thing, and get both of them thrown out. We know what happens when Paul isn't in, that is for sure. :drumroll:
 
Nate Dogg said:
How could you friggin miss this thread? There was 18 pages ? Its called searching the backpages buddy and not the first page you see on your screen.
Remember that show called "Street Smarts" ? Maybe you should apply to the resurrection of the show part 2.
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I was hitting my bookmark to see new posts, but for some reason it wasn't refreshing when I did it that way. It use to do it, maybe since they made the change, but it's the bookmark that Ed O posted. I couldn't understand why there wasn't a game thread because there always is one. Right after I posted that I tried hitting refresh instead of just the bookmark and then I seen it. I tried to post that and to say delete the thread, but it had already been closed.

Sheesh, it was a simple mistake, does it really deserve a reply like that? Normally a bookmark will refresh the page and this one did in the past.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Sergio Rodriguez:
19:03 Minutes
3 - 6 FG
0 - 0 FT
1 REB
1 AST
0 STL
2 TOV
6 PTS
EFF = 3
+/- = -5

Jerryd Bayless:
24:04 Minutes
7 - 9 FG
5 - 7 FT
2 REB
6 AST
2 STL
1 TOV
19 PTS
EFF = 24
+/- = +16

Could you just, for once, acknowledge what is painfully obvious to every other human being that witnessed the game tonight and admit that Bayless completely outplayed Sergio tonight in every conceivable way. It's not even close. To "argue" otherwise completely undermines any lingering scrap of credibility you may have had at some point in ancient history.

BNM
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They are on the same team. I'd think you'd know that by now.

If you want to argue that Bayless outplayed Antonio Daniels, I agree 100%.

The few minutes he was out there with Paul he got scored on with ease. Repeatedly. And gave up 6 assists in a matter of a few minutes also. And got suckered into 4 stupid fouls.

Sergio was at least able to keep Paul from scoring, Bayless was not.

Sergio did not have the advantage of playing a washed-up old man, but he had a far better game in the books than Bayless at the time Paul went down.
 
MARIS61 said:
They are on the same team. I'd think you'd know that by now.

If you want to argue that Bayless outplayed Antonio Daniels, I agree 100%.

The few minutes he was out there with Paul he got scored on with ease. Repeatedly. And gave up 6 assists in a matter of a few minutes also. And got suckered into 4 stupid fouls.

Sergio was at least able to keep Paul from scoring, Bayless was not.

Sergio did not have the advantage of playing a washed-up old man, but he had a far better game in the books than Bayless at the time Paul went down.
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If Sergio was playing such a great game, why didn't Nate play HIM instead of Bayless down the stretch?
 
Nate Dogg said:
How could you friggin miss this thread? There was 18 pages ? Its called searching the backpages buddy and not the first page you see on your screen.
Remember that show called "Street Smarts" ? Maybe you should apply to the resurrection of the show part 2.
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Why be such a dick? :tsktsk:

Your mother must be proud of how well she raised you.
 
MARIS61 said:
They are on the same team. I'd think you'd know that by now.

If you want to argue that Bayless outplayed Antonio Daniels, I agree 100%.

The few minutes he was out there with Paul he got scored on with ease. Repeatedly. And gave up 6 assists in a matter of a few minutes also. And got suckered into 4 stupid fouls.

Sergio was at least able to keep Paul from scoring, Bayless was not.

Sergio did not have the advantage of playing a washed-up old man, but he had a far better game in the books than Bayless at the time Paul went down.
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am i reading this right? my eyes have to be deceiving me
 
MARIS61 said:
They are on the same team. I'd think you'd know that by now.

If you want to argue that Bayless outplayed Antonio Daniels, I agree 100%.

The few minutes he was out there with Paul he got scored on with ease. Repeatedly. And gave up 6 assists in a matter of a few minutes also. And got suckered into 4 stupid fouls.

Sergio was at least able to keep Paul from scoring, Bayless was not.

Sergio did not have the advantage of playing a washed-up old man, but he had a far better game in the books than Bayless at the time Paul went down.
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Honestly you have this schtick down to an artform. Classic.
 
B-Roy said:
If Sergio was playing such a great game, why didn't Nate play HIM instead of Bayless down the stretch?
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People asked that a lot about Jarrett Jack last year.

Turns out we were showcasing him for a trade.

I assume that in this game, as with the last couple, Nate wanted him to play more PT against scrubs so he could get his confidence back.

Good development move, I thought.
 
MARIS61 said:
People asked that a lot about Jarrett Jack last year.

Turns out we were showcasing him for a trade.

I assume that in this game, as with the last couple, Nate wanted him to play more PT against scrubs so he could get his confidence back.

Good development move, I thought.
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You can't prove we were just showcasing him. You can't, end of story.

To me, it looks like Sergio is the one who needs his confidence back after the thrashing Paul gave him. Plus, we all (except maybe you) know that Sergio has a very delicate personality. If coach doesn't have confidence in him (which he didn't), then Sergio loses confidence in himself and plays a lot worse.
 
B-Roy said:
You can't prove we were just showcasing him. You can't, end of story.
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Nothing in the history of the team has ever been more obvious.

B-Roy said:
To me, it looks like Sergio is the one who needs his confidence back after the thrashing Paul gave him. Plus, we all (except maybe you) know that Sergio has a very delicate personality. If coach doesn't have confidence in him (which he didn't), then Sergio loses confidence in himself and plays a lot worse.
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That is truly funny.
 
MARIS61 said:
People asked that a lot about Jarrett Jack last year.

Turns out we were showcasing him for a trade.

I assume that in this game, as with the last couple, Nate wanted him to play more PT against scrubs so he could get his confidence back.

Good development move, I thought.
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If putting in Bayless to lead the team back from the HUGE deficit created when Sergio was in the game is "showcasing", then that was one hell of a showcase for Bayless. The starters, including Sergio, dug a huge hole and the bench, especially Bayless, saved their bacon.

So, I suppose Sergio is in on the "showcasing" of Bayless. I can't imagine any other possible reason he played so much worse than Bayless last night. It had to be intentional. That Sergio, what a cagey vet. Can't outplay the rookie, so make him look spectacular by comparision and hope he gets traded so you don't end up on the end of the bench next to Shavlik when Blake comes back. Risky, but if it gets Bayless traded, Sergio just might be able to hold onto the back-up PG spot a while longer.

BNM
 
MARIS simply values something different from most of the rest of us (and GMs, in my opinion). He may believe that what he values (aesthetic appeal and certain forms of the game) leads to winning. Many of the rest of us may not. But on this issue, it really resembles people with completely different foundational beliefs interacting. It's like a human and an alien conversing about art. ;)

(Not to imply who the alien and who the human is, in this case, nor even whether it is better to be the human or the alien.)
 
Minstrel said:
MARIS simply values something different from most of the rest of us (and GMs, in my opinion). He may believe that what he values (aesthetic appeal and certain forms of the game) leads to winning. Many of the rest of us may not. But on this issue, it really resembles people with completely different foundational beliefs interacting. It's like a human and an alien conversing about art. ;)

(Not to imply who the alien and who the human is, in this case, nor even whether it is better to be the human or the alien.)
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Maris is definitely the alien. :devilwink:
 
Boob-No-More said:
If putting in Bayless to lead the team back from the HUGE deficit created when Sergio was in the game is "showcasing", then that was one hell of a showcase for Bayless. The starters, including Sergio, dug a huge hole and the bench, especially Bayless, saved their bacon.

So, I suppose Sergio is in on the "showcasing" of Bayless. I can't imagine any other possible reason he played so much worse than Bayless last night. It had to be intentional. That Sergio, what a cagey vet. Can't outplay the rookie, so make him look spectacular by comparision and hope he gets traded so you don't end up on the end of the bench next to Shavlik when Blake comes back. Risky, but if it gets Bayless traded, Sergio just might be able to hold onto the back-up PG spot a while longer.

BNM
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I shouldn't even bother getting in between all of you and Maris, but Bayless and the bench wasn't saving us from an ass whopping till cp3 left the game.
 
B-Roy said:
To me, it looks like Sergio is the one who needs his confidence back after the thrashing Paul gave him. Plus, we all (except maybe you) know that Sergio has a very delicate personality. If coach doesn't have confidence in him (which he didn't), then Sergio loses confidence in himself and plays a lot worse.
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It's funny how often a poster who is claiming that everyone feels one way isn't speaking for me.

STOMP
 
roydezlaw said:
I shouldn't even bother getting in between all of you and Maris, but Bayless and the bench wasn't saving us from an ass whopping till cp3 left the game.
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Funny nobody but you and I noticed that, or at least remember that.

http://www.nba.com/games/20090202/PORNOH/playbyplay.html

Here are the score changes between teams for Sergio's stints and Bayless's stints:


Sergio = 1st stint -1

Bayless = 1st stint -7

Sergio = 2nd stint 0

Bayless = 2nd stint -1

2nd half Blazers down by 9, 39-48

Sergio = 3rd stint -4

Roy/Rudy (no Sergio/Bayless) = -3

Bayless = 3rd stint -3

Paul goes down with the score at 55-72, a 17 pt lead.

Bayless stint after Paul leaves = +25

Summary:

Sergio's squad vs Paul = -5

Bayless's squad vs Paul = -11

Bayless's squad vs Daniels = +25

The bench, NOT the starting unit, was clearly responsible for most of the hole we were in, and Paul's absence was responsible for our turnaround.

This demonstrates why the Bayless euphoria is merely fans fool's gold. He has yet to perform even okay against a quality PG, and in fact has struggled more than I first expected he would.
 
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STOMP said:
It's funny how often a poster who is claiming that everyone feels one way isn't speaking for me.

STOMP
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Yeah I think it's pretty obvious "everyone" doesn't agree about anything.:confused:
 
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