Game Thread Blazers Vs Spurs Summer League Playoffs GM3

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I didn't say Collins would be the best big from his draft. My point was that Aldridge, an older, more experienced 2nd pick barely played 20 MPG as a rookie and was not a ROY candidate. Therefore, expecting a younger 10th pick to be those things is simply not realistic.



And did you not learn anything from that? You're giving up on Collins WAY sooner than you gave up on C.J. C.J. proved you wrong. Here's hoping Collins does too.

BNM

But Aldridge played behind Z-Bo, Collins is behind Vonleh. If Aldridge had started the whole season he'd have been a ROY candidate WITH Brandon.

I get you're gonna defend Collins no matter what so this is pointless, I just expected a little more from the kid we traded assets for and who said "why can't I be rookie of the year" from the get go. I was not expecting a slow, not in basketball shape, weak big man. People hyped me on him too much so I guess it's natural to be let down when he can't back down a small forward.

 

[Boob-No-More]

But Aldridge played behind Z-Bo, Collins is behind Vonleh. If Aldridge had started the whole season he'd have been a ROY candidate WITH Brandon.

I get you're gonna defend Collins no matter what so this is pointless, I just expected a little more from the kid we traded assets for and who said "why can't I be rookie of the year" from the get go. I was not expecting a slow, not in basketball shape, weak big man. People hyped me on him too much so I guess it's natural to be let down when he can't back down a small forward.

You've seen him play in two summer league games and you've already given up on him, Don't you think that's a little premature?

Karl Antony Townes, the first pick in the 2015 draft and future ROY shot 8-25, committed 18 fouls and 9 turnovers in his first two summer league games. And again, that's a first overall pick. Did you write him off after those two games, too?

And no, I'm not defending Collins no matter what. I am defending reason and logic. You have jumped to some conclusions after two summer league games and are already making assumptions about his rookie year, and beyond.

BNM

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

You've seen him play in two summer league games and you've already given up on him, Don't you think that's a little premature?

Karl Antony Townes, the first pick in the 2015 draft and future ROY shot 8-25, committed 18 fouls and 9 turnovers in his first two summer league games. And again, that's a first overall pick. Did you write him off after those two games, too?

And no, I'm not defending Collins no matter what. I am defending reason and logic. You have jumped to some conclusions after two summer league games and are already making assumptions about his rookie year, and beyond.

BNM

I haven't given up on him but I'm disappointed in the fact he is a long haul player at best. I mean in three years he may be a solid rotational piece, but in 3 years Dame will be 30 and nearing the end of his contract. Just feels like we as a team are gonna be stuck in the mud for the foreseeable unless we magically pull another all-star or two (probably will have to be two in today's NBA lol) to be truly competitive in the west.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Do teams as "good" as us usually get top 10 picks? Look, I want this all to workout but I don't get what the point in drafting Collins was unless he is to be the guy we hand the franchise to when Dame and CJ age.

Maybe the point is to expand the window to coincide with the latter part of Dame and C.J.'s prime, when GSW and CLE will no longer hold a duopoly on the NBA finals. They've both got at least 5 more years of playing at their peak levels. At that time, Nurk will be 27, Swanigan 25 and Collins 24.

Or did you really think anyone we picked at 1oth in this draft was going to help get us past the Warriors in the next 3 years?

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I haven't given up on him but I'm disappointed in the fact he is a long haul player at best. I mean in three years he may be a solid rotational piece, but in 3 years Dame will be 30 and nearing the end of his contract.

And he will still have at least 2 or 3 years of peak performance left.

Again did you really think anyone we took at 10th would help get us past the Warriors in the next three years? Maybe the goal is to get past the Warriors 4 and 5 years from now when we actually have a chance to beat a healthy GSW team in a playoff series.

BNM

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Maybe the point is to expand the window to coincide with the latter part of Dame and C.J.'s prime, when GSW and CLE will no longer hold a duopoly on the NBA finals. They've both got at least 5 more years of playing at their peak levels. At that time, Nurk will be 27, Swanigan 25 and Collins 24.

Or did you really think anyone we picked at 1oth in this draft was going to help get us past the Warriors in the next 3 years?

BNM

Honestly, I hoped so. This was a great draft with a lot of nba ready players.

 

[theprunetang]

You've seen him play in two summer league games and you've already given up on him, Don't you think that's a little premature?

Karl Antony Townes, the first pick in the 2015 draft and future ROY shot 8-25, committed 18 fouls and 9 turnovers in his first two summer league games. And again, that's a first overall pick. Did you write him off after those two games, too?

And no, I'm not defending Collins no matter what. I am defending reason and logic. You have jumped to some conclusions after two summer league games and are already making assumptions about his rookie year, and beyond.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Collins didn't even look that bad. His defense will put him in the mix as a rookie. He's got a couple months to get stronger. I'm not worried about his offense. I know he can shoot. He's got attitude. He's a good athlete. He's got footwork. He can move laterally. Don't count him out as a rookie contributor just yet.

 

[Jade Falcon]

In case anyone missed the game, here's the highlights:



Sorry if they've already been posted. I haven't read this thread at all, and I didn't see the game.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why does everything have to be so black and white? Different players are at different points on their development curves. Collins is a 19-year old kid with one year of college ball playing 17 MPG off the bench. Did you really expect him to be fully physically mature and NBA ready from the first game of the summer league?

Jordan Bell is a 22-year old with three full seasons of college experience averaging 23 MPG, 20 MPG and 28 MPG. He's 3 years older and has over 4x the college experience Collins has. There's a big difference in physical maturity between 19 and 22. No one should be surprised that Bell is more NBA ready than Collins. That doesn't me he will end up being the better player, when all is said and done. He may be, but he may not be. We won't know for a few years when they have both reached their prime.

Caleb Swanigan is in between the two in both age and experience. So, again, it makes sense that he's more NBA ready than Collins.

And that's just the difference between age and experience. Some players are early bloomers and hit their peak sooner. Some take longer. That's just the way it is.

Some players have great summer leagues and never amount to shit in the NBA. Other players look completely overwhelmed in the summer league and go on to have long and successful NBA careers.

Stop trying to make this one size fits all. It doesn't.

BNM

I actually agree with a lot of what you said. But after a couple of games where our lottery pick, we moved up to get, looked poor on offense, there is nothing wrong with wishing for more. Instead I got "summer league doesn't matter".

I know in the grand scheme of things that it isn't important. I also, as a fan, want my guys to look good.

So I get frustrated when people post how great Swanigan looks, and those same people don't say the same thing to those posts.

To take it a step further, in the NBA, the regular season doesn't really matter a lot either

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I actually agree with a lot of what you said. But after a couple of games where our lottery pick, we moved up to get, looked poor on offense, there is nothing wrong with wishing for more. Instead I got "summer league doesn't matter".

I know in the grand scheme of things that it isn't important. I also, as a fan, want my guys to look good.

So I get frustrated when people post how great Swanigan looks, and those same people don't say the same thing to those posts.

To take it a step further, in the NBA, the regular season doesn't really matter a lot either

Perhaps it's just that when people see negative posts about Collins, they are thinking, "Oh, this guy is unhappy about something regarding the team we both root for; I will try to do him a favor and help him feel better about the thing making him unhappy." Perhaps the "homers" are just trying to be helpful. Or perhaps these people secretly share the same concerns as you, but they're also sharing the thoughts with which they console themselves in hopes that those thoughts will benefit you as they do them. And based on that logic, posts about Swanigan wouldn't merit a comparable response, because nobody is unhappy about him.

We're (mostly) guys; we have a tendency to want to fix things. This includes intra-fan-base frustrations. Not all responses are adversarial, or need to be interpreted as such.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Collins was supposed to take more time to develop than Swanigan, he didn't play as many minutes or had as big a role in college and it was obvious at least to me that he would take some time.
His biggest advantage compared to Swanigan is on the defensive end and I actually envision him at Center and Swanigan at PF if they're to play together.