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KingSpeed said:
All I said was that Andre Miller is playing Sergio's role this season. That's not retarded. That's the truth.
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Well, first off, I wasn't even talking to you, but it's clear you think everyone is, or should be. How very self-absorbed of you.

Second, Sergio's role last year was to fuck up. Miller actually contributes in a positive way.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Blake is highly overrated by Blazer fans. There's a reason Miller has been a top 8 PG in the league for 10 years and Blake has been a reserve on every team but ours. Again I like Blake but fans need to open their eyes the talent difference between Blake and Miller is obvious. By mid season there are going to be a lot of posters eating crow on this one.
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Blake overrated? All I hear is about is how Blake sucks ass.
 
RoyToy said:
The argument has been PGs shouldn't shoot, but instead set up teammates to make it easier for them. Parker shoots.
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And the Spurs have sufffered for it. It's a chink in their armor.
 
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RoyToy said:
The argument has been PGs shouldn't shoot, but instead set up teammates to make it easier for them. Parker shoots.

Miller had the same FGA and assist numbers as Chauncey Billups last season, who some people believe is a top 5 PG. Miller is a shooter though.
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Dude.. I'm taking about THIS team. On THIS team, we don't need our PG to score a lot and we certainly don't need him to lead the team in FG attempts as he did during the preseason by a mile. Blake is the best fit for this starting lineup. Our best players are LMA and they need the ball. Period. There are no shots available for Miller in the starting line up on THIS team. On the Spurs, they NEEDED Parker to score to win their championships. For the last three titles, they needed Parker to score cuz there was no one else in the starting lineup besides Duncan who could do it. Parker would be a bad fit on our team. He is not the kind of PG that will fit our starting lineup.
 
Roy endorses Blake:

brandon roy on the Blazers opening night starters: "I think personally it will be Greg, LaMarcus, Nic, me and Blake."
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KingSpeed said:
Dude.. I'm taking about THIS team. On THIS team, we don't need our PG to score a lot and we certainly don't need him to lead the team in FG attempts as he did during the preseason by a mile. Blake is the best fit for this starting lineup. Our best players are LMA and they need the ball. Period. There are no shots available for Miller in the starting line up on THIS team. On the Spurs, they NEEDED Parker to score to win their championships. For the last three titles, they needed Parker to score cuz there was no one else in the starting lineup besides Duncan who could do it. Parker would be a bad fit on our team. He is not the kind of PG that will fit our starting lineup.
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Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Parker is a good fit on any team.
 
Blake 7 pts, 7 assts, 6 rebounds, 1 turnover, 1 block, and he only took 5 shots. And our starting lineup kicked ass. That is why he will start.
 
RoyToy said:
Yup, Tony Parker wasn't a NBA Finals MVP:sigh:
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Yes. He was Finals MVP. He had to be. Who else was gonna score in their starting lineup. Bowen???

When we win the title (which we will, probably multiple times), we won't do it with Andre Miller leading us in shot attempts. That ain't happening. Roy will deliver the goods. Roy is 1000 times better than Miller. Make Roy happy. He's a future MVP candidate. Miller is not.
 
RoyToy- what are you really complaining about when it comes down to it. Blake played a great game tonight. Roy plays better with Blake than he does with Miller. Roy is our franchise player. And while you call Miller one of the best PGs in the league, he LED our team in FGs over the preseason. Do you really want Miller to be our first option on offense?? Ahead of Roy? Ahead of LMA? Ahead of Oden? Is that what you want? All because Parker's a good player?? Cuz that's what we got in the preseason. And that's what PapaG and I have a problem with.
 
KingSpeed said:
RoyToy- what are you really complaining about when it comes down to it. Blake played a great game tonight. Roy plays better with Blake than he does with Miller. Roy is our franchise player. And while you call Miller one of the best PGs in the league, he LED our team in FGs over the preseason. Do you really want Miller to be our first option on offense?? Ahead of Roy? Ahead of LMA? Ahead of Oden? Is that what you want? All because Parker's a good player?? Cuz that's what we got in the preseason. And that's what PapaG and I have a problem with.
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I'll take his career over pre-season statistics.

Miller is a very talented offensive player that can create for himself and others. He shoots a high % and he gets to the FT line. He has a great basketball IQ. Turning him into strictly a passer is a mistake and shows no creativity whatsoever.

He won't lead the Blazers in shot attempts in the regular season. That doesn't mean however he can't take more then 10 shots in any given game. He's earned the right to be able to take shots and not be questioned. He knows what he's doing any may arguably have the highest basketball IQ on the team. I'd put money on it that he does.
 
His career on other teams doesn't translate into what he will/can do for us within the framework of the team we have built here in Portland. We need an efficient PG. Tonight, Blake took 5 shots and scored 7 pts (to go with 7 assts, 1 turnover, & 6 rebs) while Miller took 10 shots and only scored 8 to go with 3 assts,2 turnovers, & 3 rebs. Miller did get 2 steals but he simply wasn't very efficient. As for shooting percentage, he is a career 21% 3 pt-shooter (but for some reason shot two tonight anyway) and on a team like ours where you have two post presences who can command a double team and a star player in Roy can bring extra defenders to him, it helps to have a PG who can hit the open three. That is where Blake fits in. Like a John Paxson or a Derek Fisher or a Steve Kerr, etc. But Miller's defender can leave him to double Roy. Blake's man can not leave him.
 
As much as I hate to do it, I thnk I have to admit that I think Blake should be the starter. Basically, it's debateable whether or not Miller's presence helps Aldridge and/or Oden, but it's beyond dispute how his presence affects Roy.

I still believe that Miller is a better player than Blake, should get more minutes with Blake, will eventually assume the starting role, and will work out the kinks between he and Roy, and they will make it work...but for now, Blake should be on the floor the majority of the time that Roy is.
 
KingSpeed said:
His career on other teams doesn't translate into what he will/can do for us within the framework of the team we have built here in Portland. We need an efficient PG. Tonight, Blake took 5 shots and scored 7 pts (to go with 7 assts, 1 turnover, & 6 rebs) while Miller took 10 shots and only scored 8 to go with 3 assts,2 turnovers, & 3 rebs. Miller did get 2 steals but he simply wasn't very efficient. As for shooting percentage, he is a career 21% 3 pt-shooter (but for some reason shot two tonight anyway) and on a team like ours where you have two post presences who can command a double team and a star player in Roy can bring extra defenders to him, it helps to have a PG who can hit the open three. That is where Blake fits in. Like a John Paxson or a Derek Fisher or a Steve Kerr, etc. But Miller's defender can leave him to double Roy. Blake's man can not leave him.
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Yes, but isn't it nice to have a PG that can get into the line and draw fouls? Why rely so much on the 3 ball?

Having more than one ball handler on the floor is a bonus. Roy shouldn't have to be depended on so much. Why can't Miller get into the lane and kick it out to Roy? What's wrong with that?
He could either lob it to Greg or kick it out to Roy or....he could shoot it if he is open.

The Blazers relied way too much on Roy last year.
 
RoyToy said:
Yes, but isn't it nice to have a PG that can get into the line and draw fouls? Why rely so much on the 3 ball?

Having more than one ball handler on the floor is a bonus. Roy shouldn't have to be depended on so much. Why can't Miller get into the lane and kick it out to Roy? What's wrong with that?
He could either lob it to Greg or kick it out to Roy or....he could shoot it if he is open.

The Blazers relied way too much on Roy last year.
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Those are very valid points. I think we have to go with what works for Roy though. Roy will get us to the promised land. Trust me.
 
RoyToy said:
Having more than one ball handler on the floor is a bonus. Roy shouldn't have to be depended on so much. Why can't Miller get into the lane and kick it out to Roy? What's wrong with that?
He could either lob it to Greg or kick it out to Roy or....he could shoot it if he is open.

The Blazers relied way too much on Roy last year.
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Recently, we've seen Bayless, Rudy, and Webster playing off of Miller, and the MO seems to be that Miller is actually Roy's equivalent in the second unit, while a guy like Webster or Rudy is Blake's equivalent. This is purely from a play-style perspective.

I'm hopeful that Miller will find his place on the team, and will perform solidly for us by January.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Blake is highly overrated by Blazer fans. There's a reason Miller has been a top 8 PG in the league for 10 years and Blake has been a reserve on every team but ours. Again I like Blake but fans need to open their eyes the talent difference between Blake and Miller is obvious. By mid season there are going to be a lot of posters eating crow on this one.
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So now it's Top 8. Which of the other 7 have never won a playoff series?
 
KingSpeed said:
His career on other teams doesn't translate into what he will/can do for us within the framework of the team we have built here in Portland. We need an efficient PG. Tonight, Blake took 5 shots and scored 7 pts (to go with 7 assts, 1 turnover, & 6 rebs) while Miller took 10 shots and only scored 8 to go with 3 assts,2 turnovers, & 3 rebs. Miller did get 2 steals but he simply wasn't very efficient. As for shooting percentage, he is a career 21% 3 pt-shooter (but for some reason shot two tonight anyway) and on a team like ours where you have two post presences who can command a double team and a star player in Roy can bring extra defenders to him, it helps to have a PG who can hit the open three. That is where Blake fits in. Like a John Paxson or a Derek Fisher or a Steve Kerr, etc. But Miller's defender can leave him to double Roy. Blake's man can not leave him.
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How did that work out in the playoffs again? Oh right, we were upset by a team with it's 2nd best player on the bench in a suit the entire series.

What we need is a PG who can create for himself and others to take pressure off of Roy and Aldridge, you can't get very far if the other teams don't have to sweat your PG and you don't have the weapons to make them pay for focusing to hard on your #1 guy.
 
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Jayps15 said:
How did that work out in the playoffs again? Oh right, we were upset by a team with it's 2nd best player on the bench in a suit the entire series.

What we need is a PG who can create for himself and others to take pressure off of Roy and Aldridge, you can't get very far if the other teams don't have to sweat your PG.
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:check:
 
People forget how much trouble the Blazers had scoring on the rockets in the playoffs. They're a good defensive team so give them credit, but it took super human performances from Roy to win a couple games.
 
Jayps15 said:
we were upset by a team with it's 2nd best player on the bench in a suit the entire series.
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Mutumbo's a legend, but really now... :devilwink:

(imho, Houston's always been better without McGrady than with him - the offense has more focus when he's not around)

Miller's greatest use will be situational; he's available to us as a weapon. If he's on the bench for most of the season, that's fine. But at least this year, pretty much regardless of where Andre is, we have a better PG combo than Blake/Sergio was last year. I feel good about the pairing.
 
Jayps15 said:
How did that work out in the playoffs again? Oh right, we were upset by a team with it's 2nd best player on the bench in a suit the entire series.

What we need is a PG who can create for himself and others to take pressure off of Roy and Aldridge, you can't get very far if the other teams don't have to sweat your PG and you don't have the weapons to make them pay for focusing to hard on your #1 guy.
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How has Miller's approach worked out in the playoffs?
 
I'm happy to see that the lineups our coach wants seem to be working out better; it was a relief to wake up and see the box scores.

As others have pointed out, Blake is not a better player then Miller but he is probably a better fit with the first unit. I think Miller is going to be a great addition to the team once he gets some consistent playing time with the guys on the 2nd unit. I think he will also get more time with the first unit and learn to play well with them also.
 
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