Blazers Wanting Vets?

[PapaG]

I love how sports writers never have to provide sources, on like any other form of media.

Huh? The New York Times favorite source in the "anonymous <fill in blank> official".

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Part of the reason for acquiring Carter is that he would presumably come relatively cheaply. The Nets are rebuilding and VC might not make sense to keep around.

Ed O.

He hasn't even asked for a trade! They got a better deal for Kidd, and it could be argued that they got a better deal for RJ. Neither of those players are as good as Carter. Kidd demanded a trade, and RJ was becoming more selfish, and his defense had deteriorated.

One comparable situation is the AI trade. The 76ers received good talent, and 2 1sts. Keep in mind, AI demanded a trade, so the pressure was on to get a deal done.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Vince puts up hollow stats, kinda like what Iverson is doing in Denver. Both players aren't as effective as they used to be, not even close.

Another reason why Vince is a bad option:

08-09: $15,200,000

09-10: $16,300,000

10-11: $17,300,000

Where are you getting the idea of hollow stats? Carter has been playing good defense, creating for others and passing, shooting well, and driving. He plays in a system where the pace is comparable to the Blazer's.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

After Kidd, I like Kirk Hinrich. Two years ago he was a building block for Chicago. Since then he's had a few down season. His value is pretty low right now or at least compared to what is used to be, and he's still relatively young. He really hasn't had a good group to play off of outside of Deng. He could flourish playing along side Roy, Aldridge, Oden, and Rudy.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Where are you getting the idea of hollow stats? Carter has been playing good defense, creating for others and passing, shooting well, and driving. He plays in a system where the pace is comparable to the Blazer's.

And New Jersey is still an average to below average team in the East.

 

[Foulzilla]

How many teams can afford him who have capspace or a big expiring?

What makes you think the Nets would be willing to trade him for just an expiring?

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

And New Jersey is still an average to below average team in the East.

So Kevin Garnett was less valuable in 2004, at age 28, than now, at age 32? Right.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

You can't compare Carter to KG.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Based on the precedent YOU set, yes I can.

 

[bigbailes]

why would anyone want to add kidd to this roster? yes i understand we need a pg but what exactly did kidd do for dallas last season? it's pretty clear to most that he is done.

 

[bigbailes]

to and raef for vc? do it and do it fast. would love that trade.

 

[Minstrel]

And New Jersey is still an average to below average team in the East.

So you're saying Vince Carter is a poor GM? That's okay...we pay Pritchard to do that here, so we'd just count on Carter to play defense, score and pass.

He may not be as good as he was five years ago, but he's still an excellent player.

 

[MikeDC]

After Kidd, I like Kirk Hinrich. Two years ago he was a building block for Chicago. Since then he's had a few down season. His value is pretty low right now or at least compared to what is used to be, and he's still relatively young. He really hasn't had a good group to play off of outside of Deng. He could flourish playing along side Roy, Aldridge, Oden, and Rudy.

How would you feel about Kirk, Nocioni and Cedric Simmons for Raef, Webster and Frye?

 

[Haakzilla]

so what are realistic options?

andre miller?
billups?
kidd?
hinrich?

...no, they are not trading Miller
...no, I don't think Billups is the odd man out in Detroit
...no, not after sacrificing last season just to get him
...yes, he is the ONLY PG that could be available THIS season!!!

[S.Marion and V.Carter are the other two players that could be available THIS season]

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

How would you feel about Kirk, Nocioni and Cedric Simmons for Raef, Webster and Frye?

Nocioni's contract kills it for me. The long term contract is top-heavy and decreases every year. But even then, he's not worth what he's being paid.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

He hasn't even asked for a trade! They got a better deal for Kidd, and it could be argued that they got a better deal for RJ. Neither of those players are as good as Carter. Kidd demanded a trade, and RJ was becoming more selfish, and his defense had deteriorated.

One comparable situation is the AI trade. The 76ers received good talent, and 2 1sts. Keep in mind, AI demanded a trade, so the pressure was on to get a deal done.

A player's value is dependent on their salary. Vince is a very good player, and I'd like to have him, but...
Vince's salary is worth more than his ability. You could make a max. salary offer for the salary he's making.
I'd rather have a YOUNG max. salary FA instead. Vince will be 32 in January.

Now, it's certainly true that many max. sal. players never become unrestricted FAs, however some do.

Teams are not knocking down the Nets doors with offers for Vince. However, many teams would like
Vince on the cheap! The Blazers are no different.

One more thought. The Nets are rebuilding and a 32 year old guard-forward whose game is based on
his athleticism is not a good fit for them. A big expiring contract, a young player, and a draft pick
is a reasonable price. That doesn't mean the Nets won't wait until the trade deadline and sell him
to the highest bidder.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

A player's value is dependent on their salary. Vince is a very good player, and I'd like to have him, but...
Vince's salary is worth more than his ability. You could make a max. salary offer for the salary he's making.
I'd rather have a YOUNG max. salary FA instead. Vince will be 32 in January.

Now, it's certainly true that many max. sal. players never become unrestricted FAs, however some do.

Teams are not knocking down the Nets doors with offers for Vince. However, many teams would like
Vince on the cheap! The Blazers are no different.

One more thought. The Nets are rebuilding and a 32 year old guard-forward whose game is based on
his athleticism is not a good fit for them. A big expiring contract, a young player, and a draft pick
is a reasonable price. That doesn't mean the Nets won't wait until the trade deadline and sell him
to the highest bidder.

He has two years after this one, I think. Team option for one more, which I doubt a team would pick up. It's really not THAT terrible, but I understand the Blazers not wanting it since it hinders the ability to resign players.

Wait, doesn't his contract expire before you have to resign most of your big players?

http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_POR
http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_NJN

Looks good to me.

 

[Ed O]

He has two years after this one, I think. Team option for one more, which I doubt a team would pick up. It's really not THAT terrible, but I understand the Blazers not wanting it since it hinders the ability to resign players.

Wait, doesn't his contract expire before you have to resign most of your big players?

http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_POR
http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_NJN

Looks good to me.

We can add any amount of salary without a real impingement on our ability to re-sign anyone, since they'll be coming off of rookie deals and/or Bird Exception eligible. There will be luxury cap implications, but for Paul Allen that should be less of an issue if the team is living up to its payroll.

Raef's contract, or the pending cap space we'll have this summer, come at a perfect time for the development of this organization insofar as we can add one more high-priced veteran to help the stable of young guys before we have the massive outlays of cash (for Roy, Aldridge, and (presumably) Oden).

Ed O.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

...no, they are not trading Miller
...no, I don't think Billups is the odd man out in Detroit
...no, not after sacrificing last season just to get him
...yes, he is the ONLY PG that could be available THIS season!!!

[S.Marion and V.Carter are the other two players that could be available THIS season]

Mike Bibby?

Atlanta has started out hot, but if they fade and Acie Law comes on strong . . . Atlanta might want to add some young talent to go along with Smith, Law, Horford, Johnson.

Also, aren't they cheap? getting rid of Bibby's salary could be attractive to them . . .

 

[anonymous gambler]

How is vince carter's defense nowdays? That would be a key consideration for me.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

He has two years after this one, I think. Team option for one more, which I doubt a team would pick up. It's really not THAT terrible, but I understand the Blazers not wanting it since it hinders the ability to resign players.

Wait, doesn't his contract expire before you have to resign most of your big players?

http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_POR
http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_NJN

Looks good to me.

VC looks good for Blazers... doesn't look good for Nets:
http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_CLE

 

[MARIS61]

Unless we want garbage vets, they'll cost as much or more.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Jason Kidd is the obvious choice, IMO.

He makes everyone on his team better. It'll be interesting too to see how Brandon's game develops next to a true PG like Jason Kidd.

We can throw them Raef, and anyone outside the obvious (including Batum and Bayless). His trade value isn't where it was and they shouldn't ask for everything and the kitchen sink. The Mavs did have a ton of interest in Petteri Koponen this summer.

Don't like that. With Kidd you take the ball out of brandons hands. A better idea IMO is hinrich, if we're talking pg.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I'd do Martell, Channing, Raef for Vince
Travis takes over as backup PF
PG-Bayless/Sergio/Blake
SG-Roy/Rudy
SF-Vince/Batum
PF-LMA/Trav/Randolph
C-Oden/Joel/Ike

I really like that 2nd unit..the only thing about vince is his contract..4 more years remaining..yikes

I agree that this is more the deal that nj would accept. I don't think travis is as valued to other teams as he is to us.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

How would you feel about Kirk, Nocioni and Cedric Simmons for Raef, Webster and Frye?

hm. I sort of like it. It all depends on how good you believe Webster is/will be. I like the smarts and grit brought to the blazers. I'd prefer a couple other deals more but this is intriguing.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

...no, they are not trading Miller
...no, I don't think Billups is the odd man out in Detroit
...no, not after sacrificing last season just to get him
...yes, he is the ONLY PG that could be available THIS season!!!

[S.Marion and V.Carter are the other two players that could be available THIS season]

what about redd? He would fit nicely. Talk about spreading the floor. I believe he already has nates respect. He's a couple years younger than carter, but not the all around player. The bucks might listen to offers.

Carter is my preference though. Just thought I'd throw this out there.

 

[Shooter]

We don't need no stinkin' vets.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think Billups would be a good vet to get . . . and I hear he is on the market.