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yuyuza1 said:
So what do we do next summer when Monroe leaves us high to dry as he gets his multiple 20+ mil offers? I don't want to lose Davis for nothing.
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It wasn't an advocating for that deal, just that something like that is about what is left for the Blazers to do. However, losing players for nothing seems to be this franchises specialty of late. Sad...

yuyuza1 said:
Doesn't this depend on when he picks up his option? If I misunderstood this, my bad. But the fact that he'll still opt out next summer remains. He can get 25-30 mil easily in the summer.
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I'm not sure about the "He can get 25-30 mil easily." The cap goes up again next summer but not as much as it did this summer and no on outside of KD (LeBron next) got that kind of money. I can't believe Monroe would be the one getting that kind of contract given his limitations. Certainly he would still get paid but likely not that high.

Blazer4ever said:
If he's such an asset why not trade him for his cap hold and use it to sign a bigger free agent. Im thinking this could be one of the better ways to use his trade value
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As mentioned by others, I think Aminu's contract is one of the most valuable in the league for players not on a rookie contract. Signing free-agents hasn't worked and there aren't really any of significance left. For what you get from Al-F, $7M is a great deal....keep it.
 
Isn't Ezeli still available? Just by renouncing Kaman, Henderson and Roberts and not renewing Alexander,the Blazers have 9 million in cap space. What other team that needs a center still has that much cap space? I am hoping that it's still a good possibility he could sign here, and we could keep all our RFA's.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Had KD signed back with OKC, the Thunder had a verbal from Horford saying he would sign there. Birdies are singing that Neil had something in place to land Kanter.

Moral of the story, he's still working
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except horford committed to Boston before kd made up his mind. So, nonsense. Cool story though!
 
TBpup said:
As mentioned by others, I think Aminu's contract is one of the most valuable in the league for players not on a rookie contract. Signing free-agents hasn't worked and there aren't really any of significance left. For what you get from Al-F, $7M is a great deal....keep it.
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Wasn't Aminu signed as a FA?
 
drexlersdad said:
except horford committed to Boston before kd made up his mind. So, nonsense. Cool story though!
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Reports were out that Presti knew Durant was gone before Durant announced it. Reports also said Durant knew the night before, so it's not entirely implausible that other people within his circle knew as well (and Horford too).
 
Mediocre Man said:
Had KD signed back with OKC, the Thunder had a verbal from Horford saying he would sign there. Birdies are singing that Neil had something in place to land Kanter.

Moral of the story, he's still working
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Thanks for the tip!
 
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B-Roy said:
Reports were out that Presti knew Durant was gone before Durant announced it. Reports also said Durant knew the night before, so it's not entirely implausible that other people within his circle knew as well (and Horford too).
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Nope. If it doesn't happen EXACTLY like someone thinks it should, it's nonsense. LOL
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Isn't Ezeli still available? Just by renouncing Kaman, Henderson and Roberts and not renewing Alexander,the Blazers have 9 million in cap space. What other team that needs a center still has that much cap space? I am hoping that it's still a good possibility he could sign here, and we could keep all our RFA's.
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If earlier this past week, Ezeli could have gotten double the capspace we have.

This is a good call. There really are no teams to be afraid of that will over pay. Bulls need a C, but they won't splurge in a down year. HOU has only Capela, but no capspace left. NO has no capspace left, and have Asik.

Waiting for RFA (now UFA) Ezeli could have been the right plan considering the lack of competition for his services.
 
Why do the bulls need a c? They have robin lopez. And felicio
 
Aminu has a good contract and is a decent player but if we keep our FAs who are mostly forwards and considering we've added Turner we can afford letting him go. In that case, his good value contract makes him more appealing to other teams
 
B-Roy said:
Reports were out that Presti knew Durant was gone before Durant announced it. Reports also said Durant knew the night before, so it's not entirely implausible that other people within his circle knew as well (and Horford too).
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But didn't Horford commit to Boston on Thursday or Friday? I recall that's when Boston jumped into the mix for Durant. They definitely already had Horford's commitment before Sunday.

I still don't think the timing for this theory works.
 
Minstrel said:
But didn't Horford commit to Boston on Thursday or Friday? I recall that's when Boston jumped into the mix for Durant. They definitely already had Horford's commitment before Sunday.

I still don't think the timing for this theory works.
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It could have been that Horford couldn't get a commitment out of Durant, or that he didn't like how indecisive Durant was being.
 
Minstrel said:
But didn't Horford commit to Boston on Thursday or Friday? I recall that's when Boston jumped into the mix for Durant. They definitely already had Horford's commitment before Sunday.

I still don't think the timing for this theory works.
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It doesn't matter...Al is in Boston, and Durant is a warrior...no Kanter for the Blazers
 
Minstrel said:
But didn't Horford commit to Boston on Thursday or Friday? I recall that's when Boston jumped into the mix for Durant. They definitely already had Horford's commitment before Sunday.

I still don't think the timing for this theory works.
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That doesn't mean that Horford's agent didn't get a heads-up from Durant's agent that he was leaving OKC. Durant may not have decided by then exactly which of his suitors he was going to choose, but he may well have known that he wouldn't be back with the Thunder.
 
If Portland was interested in Kanter, the Thunder would gladly have swapped him into Portland's cap space a week ago, IMO, since Horford seemed interested in signing with the Thunder. And if Horford had committed to Oklahoma City, Durant almost certainly stays. A Thunder team with Horford in place of Kanter and Durant still in the fold would have been the clear-cut best team in the NBA.

But the Thunder most likely couldn't find a taker for Kanter, because he's fatally flawed. He has a nice offensive game and clearly rebounds like a demon, but his defense is atrocious. It's exceedingly hard to build around a big man who's awful defensively and any player with a max contract, even a 2015 max, is someone you'd better be building around, at least in part.

I don't know that all of the above is certainly how things would have played out (that Horford would have committed to Thunder if the Thunder had had space) but it seems pretty likely to me.
 
Blazer4ever said:
He's probably looking to unload Aminu on someone and use the cap room to sign our own free agents plus another player (Ezeli for example) problem is, no one would apparently take Aminu for absorbing his salary or would ask us for a sweetener we aren't willing to give.
So he's probably taking the wait and see approach which is usualy his style but a bit problematic as our own FAs at some point can choose to sign elsewhere, especially if they're not guaranteed a contact with us.
A tricky situation
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This is literally the equivalent of trading a quarter for five pennies and some pocket lint.
 
e_blazer said:
That doesn't mean that Horford's agent didn't get a heads-up from Durant's agent that he was leaving OKC. Durant may not have decided by then exactly which of his suitors he was going to choose, but he may well have known that he wouldn't be back with the Thunder.
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Reports going into Sunday night were that Durant was extremely conflicted between Golden State and Oklahoma City. Golden State themselves said that they felt their meeting went well, but Durant seemed loathe to sever his Oklahoma City connection. That could all be wrong, but I personally doubt that Durant had all but ruled out Oklahoma City that early.
 
Minstrel said:
Reports going into Sunday night were that Durant was extremely conflicted between Golden State and Oklahoma City. Golden State themselves said that they felt their meeting went well, but Durant seemed loathe to sever his Oklahoma City connection. That could all be wrong, but I personally doubt that Durant had all but ruled out Oklahoma City that early.
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No idea what the truth of the matter is, but I don't think it's out of the realm of the possible that Olshey had discussions with OKC about a deal for Kanter if OKC should be able to re-sign Durant and add Horford. I would expect that he's had discussions like that with most of the GMs in the league.
 
Minstrel said:
Reports going into Sunday night were that Durant was extremely conflicted between Golden State and Oklahoma City. Golden State themselves said that they felt their meeting went well, but Durant seemed loathe to sever his Oklahoma City connection. That could all be wrong, but I personally doubt that Durant had all but ruled out Oklahoma City that early.
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Me too. That being said, I am all but sure, knowing who told me this, that Horford probably had that Durant may leave. Boston probably said we need an answer now, and Horford took it. There is no doubt in my mind Horford wasn't close to 100% sure of what Durant would do, either way. I think Boston was high on his list and he went there thinking there was a decent chance Durant would leave
 
Was that before or after he was 'blown away' by the Clippers' pitch?
 
Minstrel said:
If Portland was interested in Kanter, the Thunder would gladly have swapped him into Portland's cap space a week ago, IMO, since Horford seemed interested in signing with the Thunder. And if Horford had committed to Oklahoma City, Durant almost certainly stays. A Thunder team with Horford in place of Kanter and Durant still in the fold would have been the clear-cut best team in the NBA.

But the Thunder most likely couldn't find a taker for Kanter, because he's fatally flawed. He has a nice offensive game and clearly rebounds like a demon, but his defense is atrocious. It's exceedingly hard to build around a big man who's awful defensively and any player with a max contract, even a 2015 max, is someone you'd better be building around, at least in part.

I don't know that all of the above is certainly how things would have played out (that Horford would have committed to Thunder if the Thunder had had space) but it seems pretty likely to me.
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Neil was offering Gasol (who can barely move anymore) 20 million a year. What makes you think he wouldn't want Kanter?

More likely scenario: Blazers wasted their time chasing other targets and the opportunity passed.
 
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