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DaLincolnJones said:
Much respect my friend, but I have to disagree with you here.

The only book that was reasonable was All The Presidents Men. The only book that he wrote that was favorable towards a sitting President or someone he deemed should have been president , (Quayle ) have all been Dems.

The only recent book he wrote worth not being butt wipe is the one he did on Greenspan, hmm Maestro. Still had a lot of left stilted thinking, but some nice insight
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Read the part about his Career Recognition and Awards -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Woodward
 
CupWizier said:
Irrelevant. Apparently according to the records, Woodward has been a very successful author. Dems da facts
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18 non fiction books written, 18 national best sellers.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
1. Here you go, if you read through this you will see that, what , 6 or 7 books are directly related to Watergate,

2. And are you really going to try and say that the media is not liberal?...you're grasping for straws here.

3. Dude, it has been an accepted fact for decades.
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1. You really need to dig deeper...you claimed that "90 percent were because of Watergate. "...sorry but your math must be "fuzzy math"...in what universe is 6-7 "90%" of all the books Woodward has written?...please, just stop.

2. Ah, I see... so all of the media is "liberal"?...do you have any ideal how much of the media actually leans to the right?...you're grasping at straws here.

3. "Dude"?..."Dude"?....are you like a surfer, ...Dude.
 
yankeesince59 said:
1. You really need to dig deeper...you claimed that "90 percent were because of Watergate. "...sorry but your math must be "fuzzy math"...in what universe is 6-7 "90%" of all the books Woodward has written?...please, just stop.

2. Ah, I see... so all of the media is "liberal"?...do you have any ideal how much of the media actually leans to the right?...you're grasping at straws here.

3. "Dude"?..."Dude"?....are you like a surfer, ...Dude.
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Books vs awards..I stated 90 percent of the awards were because of Watergate...and, okay, ninety is high, but you must concede that the figure is a considerable majority

Surfer? Not for a number of years..just trying to keeps this on a friendly note.

And as to the media being liberal it is a fact

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-media-why-so-liberal/?utm_term=.28902083f396
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Mourning sunshine!

I am only giving opinion on what he has written that I have read.
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...no you're not...that's not even close to what you said...and you know it.

...you are making broad generalized statements that are uninformed or are purposely inaccurate...and now you're into damage control mode.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Books vs awards..

1. I stated 90 percent of the awards were because of Watergate...and, okay, ninety is high, but you must concede that the figure is a considerable majority


2..And as to the media being liberal it is a fact

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-media-why-so-liberal/?utm_term=.28902083f396
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1. damn right "90% is high"...and no it's not "a considerable majority"...please just stop embarrassing yourself, please.

2. and why do you cite a liberal cite like the Post only?...wait, n/m, I know the answer.

Here's a very abbreviated list of conservative sources/outlets...and in case you've forgotten I'm far from a liberal;

Accuracy in Media
Avinu News Avinu News.com
Citizens United
The Conservative Voice conservativevoice.com
Conservatives Forum conservativesforum.com
Constitution Society constitution.org
Cybercast News Service
Drudge Report
Ether Zone etherzone.com
The Federal Observer federalobserver.com
The Third Report ThirdReport.com
Federal Review federalreview.com
Fox News: Bill O'Reilly (O'Reilly Factor); Shepard Smith; Greta Van Susteren; Brit Hume; Rita Crosby
Free Republic
FrontPageMag.com
GOPUSA
Hannity & Colmes (Fox News)
Human Events Online humaneventsonline.com
LewRockwell.com lewrockwell.com
Media Research Center: "Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996."
MensNewsDaily.com
Move America Forward
Mullings mullings.com
National Review Online
NewsMax NewsMax.com
The Northern Right northernright.com
The Patriotist patriotist.com
The Third Report ThirdReport.com
Restoring America restoringamerica.org
RightMarch.com / rightmarch.com
Right Wing News rightwingnews.com
Rush Limbaugh
Sierra Times sierratimes.com
Talon News (see article)
Town Hall
Wall Street Journal Opinion opinionjournal.com
Washington Times
Weekly Standard
WorldNetDaily
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Yeah, read that..

Check out his criticisms, keeps being accused of making stuff up etc..
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...other than Trump, according to who?...Faux News?...Breitbart?

...most every account of Woodward I've ever read paints him in a completely different light. But be my guest, provide your list of detractors and I'll counter them with more.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Yeah, read that..

Check out his criticisms, keeps being accused of making stuff up etc..
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Accusing their opponents of making stuff up is a typical trick of Trump's. Try finding some made up stuff before you make your accusations.
 
^^^...hate too break it to you two, but I do know that conservatives Bret Stevens and Charles Krauthammer have also been awarded Pulitzer Prizes...gee, how could that possibly happen?

...wait, a case of liberals awarding conservatives?...hmmm. And I'm sure there are many more examples. Y'all are making this way too easy.
 
Seen in a tweet:

So either the legendary Pulitzer Prize-winning (Republican) journalist who broke the Watergate story is lying or the guy who lies an average of 15.4 times a day is lying.

barfo
 
yankeesince59 said:
...lol...Senior White House official drops another bomb on Trump with NYT op-ed.
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Leakers leaking lies! It's all made up! My hand-picked deputies are traitors! Kill them! Kill them all!

SPACE FORCE, ATTACK!!!

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
Charles Krauthammer may have the salient character in the business since the days of Edward R Murrow.
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That's kind of amusing if you know an arcane definition of salient, since he was wheelchair-bound.

barfo
 
Here's the NYT op-ed;

Sept. 5, 2018

I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration
I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.
It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.
The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
I would know. I am one of them.
To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.
But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.
That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.
The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.
Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.
In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.
Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.
But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.
From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.
Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.
“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.
The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.
It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.
The result is a two-track presidency.
Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.
Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.
On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.
This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.
Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.
The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.
Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.
We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.
There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.


The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.
 
Well eventually someone might actually read Bob's new book..until then it's getting reviewed whether he likes it or not damnit!
 
barfo said:
That's kind of amusing if you know an arcane definition of salient, since he was wheelchair-bound.

barfo
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Had to look it up. I suppose you mean this one;
"represented as leaping (rampant but leaning forward)"

Well actually I was not even thinking of the disabled part of the man.
 
riverman said:
Well eventually someone might actually read
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Likely not me.

Driving from Bandon to the boat yesterday, I listened to an interview with the author of a new book. The Gun Club.
I think I need to read this one. I heard the guy say a few things that were wrong, I have to read the whole thing.
by Robert Fowler.
 
...anyone notice that in a few instances in the the "op-ed", that instead of saying "I am...." it says "WE are..."....so I'm assuming that there is more than ONE person in on this.
 
Spud147 said:
The Nobel (I'm assuming that's what you mean by Peace Prize) is given out by a committee in Norway and has nothing to do with journalism.
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...dalincolnjones and marz also failed to acknowledge that their boy Trump has also been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

...but hey, we can't let facts get in the way.
 
MarAzul said:
Likely not me.

Driving from Bandon to the boat yesterday, I listened to an interview with the author of a new book. The Gun Club.
I think I need to read this one. I heard the guy say a few things that were wrong, I have to read the whole thing.
by Robert Fowler.
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...wouldn't be a bit surprised if Woodward gets a Pulitzer for this one too....damn liberals ! :bgrin:
 
yankeesince59 said:
1. damn right "90% is high"...and no it's not "a considerable majority"...please just stop embarrassing yourself, please.

2. and why do you cite a liberal cite like the Post only?...wait, n/m, I know the answer.

Here's a very abbreviated list of conservative sources/outlets...and in case you've forgotten I'm far from a liberal;

Accuracy in Media
Avinu News Avinu News.com
Citizens United
The Conservative Voice conservativevoice.com
Conservatives Forum conservativesforum.com
Constitution Society constitution.org
Cybercast News Service
Drudge Report
Ether Zone etherzone.com
The Federal Observer federalobserver.com
The Third Report ThirdReport.com
Federal Review federalreview.com
Fox News: Bill O'Reilly (O'Reilly Factor); Shepard Smith; Greta Van Susteren; Brit Hume; Rita Crosby
Free Republic
FrontPageMag.com
GOPUSA
Hannity & Colmes (Fox News)
Human Events Online humaneventsonline.com
LewRockwell.com lewrockwell.com
Media Research Center: "Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996."
MensNewsDaily.com
Move America Forward
Mullings mullings.com
National Review Online
NewsMax NewsMax.com
The Northern Right northernright.com
The Patriotist patriotist.com
The Third Report ThirdReport.com
Restoring America restoringamerica.org
RightMarch.com / rightmarch.com
Right Wing News rightwingnews.com
Rush Limbaugh
Sierra Times sierratimes.com
Talon News (see article)
Town Hall
Wall Street Journal Opinion opinionjournal.com
Washington Times
Weekly Standard
WorldNetDaily
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Woodward and Carl Bernstein were both assigned to report on the June 17, 1972, burglary of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in a Washington, D.C., office building called Watergate. Their work, under editor Ben Bradlee, became known for being the first to report on a number of political "dirty tricks" used by the Nixon re-election committee during his campaign for re-election. Their book about the scandal, All the President's Men, became a No. 1 bestseller and was later turned into a movie. The 1976 film, starring Robert Redford as Woodward and Dustin Hoffman as Bernstein, transformed the reporters into celebrities and inspired a wave of interest in investigative journalism.

The book and movie also led to the enduring mystery of the identity of Woodward's secret Watergate informant known as Deep Throat, a reference to the title of a popular pornographic movie at the time. Woodward said he would protect Deep Throat's identity until the man died or allowed his name to be revealed. For more than 30 years, only Woodward, Bernstein, and a handful of others knew the informant's identity until it was claimed by his family to Vanity Fair magazine to be former Federal Bureau of Investigation Associate Director W. Mark Felt in May 2005. Woodward immediately confirmed the veracity of this claim and subsequently published a book, titled The Secret Man, that detailed his relationship with Felt.

Woodward and Bernstein followed up with a second book on Watergate, entitled The Final Days (Simon and Schuster 1976), covering in extensive depth the period from November 1973 until President Nixon resigned in August 1974.


Was going to look up each award but just got busy, and frankly, it would make zero difference.


Media bias is not a fiction

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/h...robably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28
 
yankeesince59 said:
...dalincolnjones and marz also failed to acknowledge that their boy Trump has also been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

...but hey, we can't let facts get in the way.
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That's actually not true, POTUS just feels he should win it (for his meeting with Little Rocket Man that didn't accomplish anything) and I assume his base agrees. I suppose the Nobel Committee could be considering it (yeah right :crazy:) but we'll never know unless he wins it because they don't ever release their list of nominees.
 
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