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Ed O said:
When was the last time we improved our team through the draft? Three years ago?

We've essentially been punting on the draft since Batum.
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Which is why making the guy who was in charge of college scouting our acting GM right before the draft makes no sense to me. What exactly has Chad Buchanan done lately to deserve this promotion? What gems have we plucked from the college ranks lately? We've passed on Millsap, Durant, and Blair in favor of Freeland, Oden and Pendergraph/Cunningham. I would have also selected Oden (but I hadn't seen his x-rays and medical records), but would have definitely went with Millsap and Blair.

So, we have a guy who has failed miserably at his main job, and has never made a trade in his life as our acting GM. This makes me very pessimistic that we will make a significant trade or pluck a hidden gem from this draft. At least Cho is doing something and I would have felt much more comfortable with him running this draft and working the phones fielding trade offers than Chad Buchanan. But then, I'm not Paul Allen and evidently making Paul Allen comfortable is the overridng job responsibility for our GM - not identifying good talent and making trades.

BNM
 
Cho traded his best player (I know he's a knucklehead) and the 19th pick for the Maggette and the 7th pick in a weak draft.
If Cho did that here, the media and most of us on this board would be bashing him like crazy.
 
BeerBoy said:
Cho traded his best player (I know he's a knucklehead) and the 19th pick for the Maggette and the 7th pick in a weak draft.
If Cho did that here, the media and most of us on this board would be bashing him like crazy.
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He's tearing it down and trying to rebuild the team in a shitty draft

Color me unimpressed with his strategy
 
BeerBoy said:
Cho traded his best player (I know he's a knucklehead) and the 19th pick for the Maggette and the 7th pick in a weak draft.
If Cho did that here, the media and most of us on this board would be bashing him like crazy.
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Jackson is old and worthless to a rebuilding team.
 
BeerBoy said:
Cho traded his best player (I know he's a knucklehead) and the 19th pick for the Maggette and the 7th pick in a weak draft.
If Cho did that here, the media and most of us on this board would be bashing him like crazy.
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After trading Gerald Wallace last season, the Bobcats are clearly in rebuilding mode. So, adding a high lottery pick is a smart move.

Of course he would have been bashed if he'd done the same thing here. Our best player is a loit younger, and at this point, better, than Stephen Jackson, and we're a play-off team, not a lottery team. So, yeah, the same trade here would have been stupid - unlike the Gerald Wallce tradce where we clearly got, by far, the best player in the trade. Different circumstances, different strategies.

BNM
 
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RoyToy said:
He's tearing it down and trying to rebuild the team in a shitty draft

Color me unimpressed with his strategy
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You mean like your hero KP did in 2006 with Roy and Aldridge?
 
BeerBoy said:
Maggette is gold to a rebuilding team?
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The step down from Jackson to Maggette isn't very significant for a rebuilding team, but the step up from 19 to 7 is potentially huge.

If I were a Bobcats fan, I wouldn't be upset with this deal at all.

Ed O.
 
Cho's doing the right thing for Charlotte; I just don't see how his actions for the Bobcats translate in the least to how he may or may not have performed for Portland. I don't see any really rock-solid behaviors that could be inferred.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Which is why making the guy who was in charge of college scouting our acting GM right before the draft makes no sense to me. What exactly has Chad Buchanan done lately to deserve this promotion? What gems have we plucked from the college ranks lately? We've passed on Millsap, Durant, and Blair in favor of Freeland, Oden and Pendergraph/Cunningham. I would have also selected Oden (but I hadn't seen his x-rays and medical records), but would have definitely went with Millsap and Blair.

So, we have a guy who has failed miserably at his main job, and has never made a trade in his life as our acting GM. This makes me very pessimistic that we will make a significant trade or pluck a hidden gem from this draft. At least Cho is doing something and I would have felt much more comfortable with him running this draft and working the phones fielding trade offers than Chad Buchanan. But then, I'm not Paul Allen and evidently making Paul Allen comfortable is the overridng job responsibility for our GM - not identifying good talent and making trades.
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These are good points that I might not altogether agree with, but definitely have me worried.

Ed O.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Cho's doing the right thing for Charlotte; I just don't see how his actions for the Bobcats translate in the least to how he may or may not have performed for Portland. I don't see any really rock-solid behaviors that could be inferred.
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Agreed.

Ed O.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Cho's doing the right thing for Charlotte; I just don't see how his actions for the Bobcats translate in the least to how he may or may not have performed for Portland. I don't see any really rock-solid behaviors that could be inferred.
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Well, it proves he's capable of completing a trade - something our acting GM has never done in his life.

BNM
 
Mediocre Man said:
Cho now has 7 and 9 to start the rebuiliding process. Good move for them
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I don't think rebuilding with mid-lottery picks is going to yield much in terms of an impact/franchise player, but I suppose getting rid of Stephen Jackson was worth it to Charlotte.

Kind of a meh deal. Not great, not terrible, but somewhere in the middle.
 
Boob-No-More said:
After trading Gerald Wallace last season, the Bobcats are clearly in rebuilding mode. So, adding a high lottery pick is a smart move.

Of course he would have been bashed if he'd done the same thing here. Our best player is a loit younger, and at this point, better, than Stephen Jackson, and we're a play-off team, not a lottery team. So, yeah, the same trade here would have been stupid - unlike the Gerald Wallce tradce where we clearly got, by far, the best player in the trade. Different circumstances, different strategies.

BNM
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They didn't add a "high" lottery pick, though. They added a mid-lottery pick.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You mean like your hero KP did in 2006 with Roy and Aldridge?
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Pritchard turned the 4th pick into the 2nd and 6th picks, basically, and added some garbage to do it.

I'd rather have the 2nd and 6th picks in a shitty draft over the 7th and 9th picks.
 
I'm not saying its a bad deal, I was just trying to point out that it seems like you guys are giving Cho a ton of credit mainly because he's the GM we just got rid of. Would you be giving another GM this much props for moving up in a so called weak draft? I dont think so.
 
BeerBoy said:
I'm not saying its a bad deal, I was just trying to point out that it seems like you guys are giving Cho a ton of credit mainly because he's the GM we just got rid of. Would you be giving another GM this much props for moving up in a so called weak draft? I dont think so.
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:cheers:
 
Ed O said:
The step down from Jackson to Maggette isn't very significant for a rebuilding team, but the step up from 19 to 7 is potentially huge.

If I were a Bobcats fan, I wouldn't be upset with this deal at all.

Ed O.
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Is it? Who was the last player picked wth the 7th pick who has helped his team win in a primary role?

2010 - Greg Monroe
2009 - Stephen Curry
2008 - Eric Gordon
2007 - Corey Brewer
2006 - Randy Foye
2005 - Charlie Villanueva
2004 - Loul Deng
2003 - Kirk Hinrich
2002 - Nene Hilario
2001 - Eddie Griffin
2000 - Chris Mihm

Out of 11 players on this list, Deng, Nene, Hinrich are decent role players on playoff teams. Of course Hinrich and Hilario were in deep drafts. Curry looks to be a great pick, but again, it was a deeper draft than ths one.

I find the likelihood of the 7th pick in a weak draft adding much value to a future contending team very small.
 
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Players taken with the 19th pick:

2010 - Avery Bradley
2009 - Jeff Teague
2008 - J.J. Hickson
2007 - Javaris Crittendon
2006 - Quincy Douby
2005 - Hakim Warrick
2004 - Dorrell Wright
2003 - Aleksander Pavlovic
2002 - Ryan Humphrey
2001 - Zach Randoph
2000- Jamal Magloire

Two All-Stars and three very good role players/future impact players.

Comparing these two lists, I'd rather stay at 19 if it means you don't get into the Top 5.
 
Listing the exact picks is a waste of time.

Let's compare all of the players available at 7 against all of the players available at 19... then we can see how much more valuable that difference is.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Listing the exact picks is a waste of time.

Let's compare all of the players available at 7 against all of the players available at 19... then we can see how much more valuable that difference is.

Ed O.
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And you'd also have compare what Jackson vs Maggette would give ya... and their $$$. So as you said, sort of a waste of our time. :)
 
Ed O said:
Listing the exact picks is a waste of time.
Let's compare all of the players available at 7 against all of the players available at 19... then we can see how much more valuable that difference is.

Ed O.
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Not really. You can find the same results as you move down the lists. Outside of the Top 5 or so, most picks seem to be hit or miss all the way into the mid-to-late 20s.

If you found this a waste of time, it's only because it shows that in recent history, there isn't much of a difference between picking 7th and picking 19th, which doesn't really discredit your qualified post anyhow.

You also posted that if you were a Charlotte fan, then you wouldn't be disappointed with this trade. I wouldn't either, but I also wouldn't be celebrating it. It's kind of a 'meh' deal, and likely isn't going to make much of a difference in the rebuilding process.
 
What I don't get is why some of you can't wait to see what Buchanan & the Blazers actually do before you start bitching about it. Are you afraid the Internet isn't going to work after the draft?
 
BeerBoy said:
And you'd also have compare what Jackson vs Maggette would give ya... and their $$$. So as you said, sort of a waste of our time. :)
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I'd be really impressed if Charlotte had moved into the Top 4 or 5 with this deal. Ed O. can deny it and call it a waste of time, but after the 5th pick, most drafts become a crapshoot.

It's also a bit funny how an Admin would be so upset that he would call out a poster for 'wasting time' by pointing out facts that are up for debate, but then again, I must consider the source.
 
e_blazer said:
What I don't get is why some of you can't wait to see what Buchanan & the Blazers actually do before you start bitching about it. Are you afraid the Internet isn't going to work after the draft?
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Cho just guaranteed the Bobcats become contenders with this deal.

Can't you see it, eblazer? :)
 
PapaG said:
I'd be really impressed if Charlotte had moved into the Top 4 or 5 with this deal. Ed O. can deny it and call it a waste of time, but after the 5th pick, most drafts become a crapshoot.
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Top 4? Or top 5?

Maybe top 5, but definitely not top 9?

When you make shit up, you should at least not act precise about it. :)

Ed O.
 
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