Bonnie Bernstein Explains Ray Lewis’s Crimes With An Unfortunate Parable

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Pretty simple. Clinton is valued by media as one of the best presidents of all time. Saying that he was a great leader of this country and forget the lying under oath and cheating on his wife. So when you say something like "ESPN honoring Lewis for what he's done for football"; well sir, it's just as relevant as MSNBC exhaulting Clinton for what he's done for this Country.

I still see Clinton bashed on much of his work as I do him being propped up. I hear them bring up the scandal.

The only part thing I see in favor of Clinton that never seems to be followed with negativity is his alleged fiscal responsibility.

I see very little negative about Ray. In fact, I only see positive things about Ray. Until it recently was brought up, nobody ever talks about Ray's involvement in the murder.

Very different stories, in the grand scheme of things, though.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yes you are correct; but I also said that just because you have money doesn't mean you can be innocent even if you are guilty; i.e. Menendez bros.

There was no way those bastards would ever get off. No DA could have ever blown that.

 

[magnifier661]

I still see Clinton bashed on much of his work as I do him being propped up. I hear them bring up the scandal.

The only part thing I see in favor of Clinton that never seems to be followed with negativity is his alleged fiscal responsibility.

I see very little negative about Ray. In fact, I only see positive things about Ray. Until it recently was brought up, nobody ever talks about Ray's involvement in the murder.

Very different stories, in the grand scheme of things, though.

I beg to differ.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/bill-clinton-media-reactions-dnc-speech_n_1859892.html

mmediately following the speech, the praise started pouring in. Wolf Blitzer led the pack on CNN. "I've been watching this president...going back to 1992 when I was CNN's White House correspondent," he said. "This may have been the best speech I have ever heard Bill Clinton deliver over all these years."

GOP strategist and CNN pundit Alex Castellanos said that Clinton's speech tilted the scale. "Tonight when everybody leaves, lock the door. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama," he said.

Fox News' Brit Hume said that Bill Clinton "is the most talented politician [he's] ever covered and the most charming man [he's] ever met." He added, "No one in my view can frame an argument more effectively than he can."

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I beg to differ.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/bill-clinton-media-reactions-dnc-speech_n_1859892.html

For every positive article on Clinton, I find a negative article. But nice work.

Not. LOL.

 

[magnifier661]

There was no way those bastards would ever get off. No DA could have ever blown that.

Wait a minute, those two guys stabbed two people to death in front of many people; yet they were aquitted?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

A bad person who finds god is still a bad person in my eyes. I know you and others disagree with that, but that is my position.

This is interesting to me. Are you of the opinion that criminals cannot be rehabilitated? Or more specifically, certain types of criminals?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Does commiting the crime with your own hands versus paying someone else make any difference in the guilt?

And furthermore, if you used proceeds from endorsements to pay a hit man.... are we all technically guilty for buying the products that paid the endorsement fees to the athlete, who then used said proceeds to pay a hit man to commit murder?

Nobody likes this gem? I thought this was great. Combining two current threads into one response. I give myself props for this.

 

[magnifier661]

For every positive article on Clinton, I find a negative article. But nice work.

Not. LOL.

Here is a good google search and look how many came up?

http://www.google.com/search?client...pw.r_qf.&fp=171f1ce03d5b6aef&biw=1365&bih=861

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Wait a minute, those two guys stabbed two people to death in front of many people; yet they were aquitted?

Yep, happens sometimes.

But really, though. I mean, did you FOLLOW the Menendez case? There was no way those guys would get off. The evidence on that case was so dialed in. I followed the trial, but I was fairly yound. Then, I did a major case study on this in college. There was no way those kids would walk.

 

[magnifier661]

This is interesting to me. Are you of the opinion that criminals cannot be rehabilitated? Or more specifically, certain types of criminals?

Or hitting close to home. How many mistakes have we made in our lifetime? How many times have we learned from these mistakes? So now if we make mistakes, we should just always be assumed to be accountable for these mistakes forever?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Here is a good google search and look how many came up?

http://www.google.com/search?client...pw.r_qf.&fp=171f1ce03d5b6aef&biw=1365&bih=861

Well yeah. Just because you added "was" it makes it appear like you searched for a question. All you really did was search articles that had "Bill Clinton a good role model," so naturally, you're only going to pull up the positive articles.

 

[magnifier661]

Yep, happens sometimes.

But really, though. I mean, did you FOLLOW the Menendez case? There was no way those guys would get off. The evidence on that case was so dialed in. I followed the trial, but I was fairly yound. Then, I did a major case study on this in college. There was no way those kids would walk.

I 100% agree and I followed it too. I'm just stating that the system does work; even if the defendent has tons of money.

 

[magnifier661]

Well yeah. Just because you added "was" it makes it appear like you searched for a question. All you really did was search articles that had "Bill Clinton a good role model," so naturally, you're only going to pull up the positive articles.

Same amount came up when I googled "Bill Clinton is a good role model"

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Read your own quote. June 13th 2000 - both defendants acquitted.

Reading comprehension.....what a concept.

You stated Lewis was aquitted. He wasn't.

Just say "no" to drugs.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

This is interesting to me. Are you of the opinion that criminals cannot be rehabilitated? Or more specifically, certain types of criminals?

It's easy to be born-again when you just dodged a major bullet, like Ray did. I think Ray got away with something big, and he didn't have to suffer the consequences. I'd like to think if I somehow got that lucky, I'd be a born-again. I'd like to think that I sincerely had a desire to be born-again, if I'd have committed a serious crime. And I hope Ray is sincere about his growth and changes that he has made - but that doesn't mean he should be revered in the media, either; at least not without opening up and talking about his mistakes. That's part of my problem with Ray. He made the incident disappear. He never really has acknowledged anything. And he's played up this born-again thing like it's all part of his having always been this great person.

Maybe OJ should have gone this route.

 

[porkchopexpress]

This is interesting to me. Are you of the opinion that criminals cannot be rehabilitated? Or more specifically, certain types of criminals?

No, people can be rehabilitated, but I've never seen anything out of Ray Lewis that would lead me to believe that he has been. The only reason I can think that people have forgiven/ignored his past is his overtly religious tone. Even his delivery is just like a sermon. I just don't buy it cause whenever he speaks (other than just shouting that god is good) he just spouts nonsense.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

i dont think anyone thinks lewis actually did the stabbing

From the evidence known, I would agree. But being "involved" can be just as damming. Sort of like driving the getaway ca for a bank robbery. The driver still has a guilty part in it all.

 

[magnifier661]

It's easy to be born-again when you just dodged a major bullet, like Ray did. I think Ray got away with something big, and he didn't have to suffer the consequences. I'd like to think if I somehow got that lucky, I'd be a born-again. I'd like to think that I sincerely had a desire to be born-again, if I'd have committed a serious crime. And I hope Ray is sincere about his growth and changes that he has made - but that doesn't mean he should be revered in the media, either; at least not without opening up and talking about his mistakes. That's part of my problem with Ray. He made the incident disappear. He never really has acknowledged anything. And he's played up this born-again thing like it's all part of his having always been this great person.

Maybe OJ should have gone this route.

Well OJ is in prison shortly after he got away with murder. Lewis hasn't had any criminal issues since that part of his life. I guess Lewis is rehabilitated then; since nothing has happened for 13 years.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

And his friends were not going to flip on him. You know, the whole "snitches get stitches" motto...except when you have money. Then it's all good.

This.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Well OJ is in prison shortly after he got away with murder. Lewis hasn't had any criminal issues since that part of his life. I guess Lewis is rehabilitated then; since nothing has happened for 13 years.

That we know of...

 

[magnifier661]

No, people can be rehabilitated, but I've never seen anything out of Ray Lewis that would lead me to believe that he has been. The only reason I can think that people have forgiven/ignored his past is his overtly religious tone. Even his delivery is just like a sermon. I just don't buy it cause whenever he speaks (other than just shouting that god is good) he just spouts nonsense.

Really? How many crimes or acts of violence has Lewis gotten into since January, 2000?

 

[magnifier661]

That we know of...

Oh okay, so we just assume then? Can I say that about you then? Maybe you are the guy that hid his jacket? I mean none of us don't really know, so you must be guilty.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Oh okay, so we just assume then? Can I say that about you then? Maybe you are the guy that hid his jacket? I mean none of us don't really know, so you must be guilty.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........................................................

Don't be a snitch, man.

 

[magnifier661]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........................................................

Don't be a snitch, man.

I love ya man!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Well OJ is in prison shortly after he got away with murder. Lewis hasn't had any criminal issues since that part of his life. I guess Lewis is rehabilitated then; since nothing has happened for 13 years.

Really? Rehabbed?

That's like me saying a rapist was rehabbed until he raped again (or saying OJ was rehabbed for the decade he stayed out of prison).

We'll never know. He's doing a better job at toeing the line. He says and does the right things. He may not have ever been in need of rehab. It could be he just made a poor decision. It could be he decided to stop hanging with idiots. Not being caught doesn't mean he's rehabbed.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Oh okay, so we just assume then? Can I say that about you then? Maybe you are the guy that hid his jacket? I mean none of us don't really know, so you must be guilty.

I don't think that's what BP was saying, though. We all cross the line. Be it take illegal drugs. Or driving drunk. Or taking something that doesn't belong to us.

All illegal. All crimes. So, BP can't answer your question fairly or honestly.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No, people can be rehabilitated, but I've never seen anything out of Ray Lewis that would lead me to believe that he has been. The only reason I can think that people have forgiven/ignored his past is his overtly religious tone. Even his delivery is just like a sermon. I just don't buy it cause whenever he speaks (other than just shouting that god is good) he just spouts nonsense.

I guess it just seems like a highly judgmental position to identify him as a "bad person" (and still one). Where's the line of demarcation between a "bad person" and someone who got caught up in a bad situation and didn't know how to properly respond to it?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Does commiting the crime with your own hands versus paying someone else make any difference in the guilt?

And furthermore, if you used proceeds from endorsements to pay a hit man.... are we all technically guilty for buying the products that paid the endorsement fees to the athlete, who then used said proceeds to pay a hit man to commit murder?

I'm simply pointing out that Simpson being responsible for the crime doesn't mean the jury was "wrong." They can't convict the defendant of a crime he hasn't been charged with.

 

[oldmangrouch]

You stated Lewis was aquitted. He wasn't.

Just say "no" to drugs.

I said no such thing. I said the 2 men accused of the murder were acquitted, despite Lewis' testimony.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Same amount came up when I googled "Bill Clinton is a good role model"

Yes, I know. I was saying that your initial search was essentially just that, so naturally, those types of articles are going to pop up. How many positive articles come up with you don't have positive qualifiers in the search?