Boozer 3-way still doable....

[Iwatas]

SLC sources say that Utah has interest in Boozer from:

Detroit, Chicago, Golden State, Miami and New York

Let's assume that Utah matches Millsap. They still would benefit from a third team absorbing the cap space in a Boozer trade.

Is there a PG or SF from one of these teams that we might realistically be able to snag in the deal (exclude Chicago, since we have talked Hinrich/Deng to death).

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[Shooter]

Could Chicago actually sign Boozer at this point? They've made some pretty heft additions lately, and I would think they are about tapped out.

 

[barfo]

Could Chicago actually sign Boozer at this point? They've made some pretty heft additions lately, and I would think they are about tapped out.

I think the idea with Chicago is that they send Hinrich out (to Portland).

barfo

 

[illmatic99]

I was thinking of the exact same thing, and made this post earlier:

I was thinking of places Utah could trade Boozer if they matched Millsap's deal and thought of GS as a possible destination. Turns out they have a few pieces we could use. Here's an idea:

Monta/Turiaf to Portland (total incoming salary: $15.140mil; total outgoing salary: $7.6mil; we'd have to renounce the Euros).

Blake/Outlaw (or Webster) to Utah. (total incoming salary: $7.6mil; total outgoing salary: $12.323mil; they can get under the tax level immediately).

Boozer to GS (total incoming salary: $12.323mil; total outgoing salary: $15.140mil; we can throw in Webster if needed).

A look at our roster if this happens:

Starters: Ellis/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Oden

Bench: Bayless/Rudy/Turiaf/Przybilla.... Webster.

That roster gets you to the WCFs easily.

 

[Mediocre Man]

People. Utah will match the offer. It's really simple.

Utah matches the offer. Callas a team that wants Boozer, then get's OKC to help them leaving Portland with no FA's and two pissed off young stars.

 

[Minstrel]

People. Utah will match the offer. It's really simple.

Utah matches the offer. Callas a team that wants Boozer, then get's OKC to help them leaving Portland with no FA's and two pissed off young stars.

As an ancient philosopher once said, "Better to be pissed off than pissed on. Unless you're into that sort of thing. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Ya know, different strokes for different folks and such-like."

 

[barfo]

People. Utah will match the offer. It's really simple.

Utah matches the offer. Callas a team that wants Boozer, then get's OKC to help them leaving Portland with no FA's and two pissed off young stars.

And why are the two young stars pissed off? They really wanted Millsap? Or they hated the idea of trying to improve the team?

What does OKC get out of helping the Jazz by giving up their cap space? Don't they mainly need big men? Who are they going to get who is better than Boozer, that the third team wants to replace with Boozer?

And if OKC wanted to spend their cap space on Boozer, wouldn't they have already done that deal?

barfo

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I actually got this idea from a Jazz forum. Is it possible they would not match on Milsap if they could arrange a trade and sign with New York of Boozer for Lee? Is it possible KP is hoping something like that will happen?

 

[Pinwheel1]

And if OKC wanted to spend their cap space on Boozer, wouldn't they have already done that deal?

barfo

Good point. Unless Utah sweetens the pot by throwing in a 1 st round draft pick. (Like the unprotected one they get from NY next year)

 

[B-Roy]

Good point. Unless Utah sweetens the pot by throwing in a 1 st round draft pick. (Like the unprotected one they get from NY next year)

There's absolutely zero way Utah trades their NY pick.

 

[Mediocre Man]

And why are the two young stars pissed off? They really wanted Millsap? Or they hated the idea of trying to improve the team?

What does OKC get out of helping the Jazz by giving up their cap space? Don't they mainly need big men? Who are they going to get who is better than Boozer, that the third team wants to replace with Boozer?

And if OKC wanted to spend their cap space on Boozer, wouldn't they have already done that deal?

barfo

I didn't say they wanted Boozer. I said they could send him to say Miami, and get OKC involved instead of Portland.

 

[barfo]

I didn't say they wanted Boozer. I said they could send him to say Miami, and get OKC involved instead of Portland.

And I said why would OKC get involved in that? What does Miami send to OKC?

barfo

 

[shamelessblazer]

POR out: Outlaw
POR In: Prince

We get a starting three who can play minutes at PF too and a great defender/ballhandler/silent leader who's very versatile.

Utah out: Boozer
Utah in: Outlaw

They clear some cap space and get a young scorer to man the three spot as a backup who can help add some more shooting and scoring off the bench.

Det out: Prince
Det in: Boozer

They try to get by with Rip at the 3 and a legit post threat in Boozer, another low risk one year move for Dumars (like Iverson).

 

[B-Roy]

POR out: Outlaw
POR In: Prince

We get a starting three who can play minutes at PF too and a great defender/ballhandler/silent leader who's very versatile.

Utah out: Boozer
Utah in: Outlaw

They clear some cap space and get a young scorer to man the three spot as a backup who can help add some more shooting and scoring off the bench.

Det out: Prince
Det in: Boozer

They try to get by with Rip at the 3 and a legit post threat in Boozer, another low risk one year move for Dumars (like Iverson).

Bad for Detroit. They like Prince+CV and think it would work. Rip is most definitely not a three, and this pushes CV to the bench.

 

[barfo]

Bad for Detroit. They like Prince+CV and think it would work. Rip is most definitely not a three, and this pushes CV to the bench.

Yeah, I think Boozer stopped making sense for Detroit when they signed Charlie V.

barfo

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Can Minnesota get involved here?


Something that would net Portland the rights to Rubio / Cardinal; Boozer to Minny; Travis to Utah?

I know the numbers don't work - as I was too lazy to even contemplate this one!


But in essence:

Portland takes on Cardinal - who gives us back-up PF for a year and gains Rubio! He'll come play in Portland!

This leaves us with much of our cap space to go after a) Odom; b) a trade now or at the trade deadline in 2010 to find "the missing piece" at that time.


We give up Travis, but perhaps wind up with Rubio/Cardinal?


We dump Cardinal and sign Gooden?


Just thinking outloud

 

[axs88]

I actually got this idea from a Jazz forum. Is it possible they would not match on Milsap if they could arrange a trade and sign with New York of Boozer for Lee? Is it possible KP is hoping something like that will happen?

It actually would make a TON of sense for both NY and Utah.

NY rents Boozer for one year, replacing (or even upgrading) Lee without sacrificing their 2010 space (plus they will have his Bird rights, if nothing else pans out in FA).

It could make sense for Utah for three reasons:
1. If Lee is signed for less than Millsap (or to a bigger, but less 'toxic' deal).
2. If they prefer Lee to Millsap.
3. If they are convinced they couldn't dump Boozer without giving up more assets (e.g. NY pick).

 

[Mediocre Man]

And I said why would OKC get involved in that? What does Miami send to OKC?

barfo

I dunno. There are several teams that seem to be interested in Boozer though, and I will be one of them has an expiring contract and a #1 they would give OKC to help them out.

OKC is also up and coming, although a couple of years behind us. They could easily be persuaded to do something that would hinder Portland.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Our new fave Utah paper (the Deseret News) says:

Chicago, Miami, Detroit and New York all reportedly remain among possible destinations for Boozer, though the Contra Costa (Calif.) Times newspaper on Saturday reported that Golden State's supposed interest in Utah's starting power forward is not to be believed.

Portland, one NBA agent said Saturday, no longer is interested in facilitating a Boozer trade — and, for all practical purposes, can't because its team payroll salary cap space currently is tied up while Utah decides whether to match on Millsap.

The same agent said Oklahoma City, which also has ample cap space, doesn't want to help the Jazz by becoming part of a multi-team deal either.

 

[Iwatas]

Portland can't do a sign and trade yet - but if Utah matches, then we can. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I actually got this idea from a Jazz forum. Is it possible they would not match on Milsap if they could arrange a trade and sign with New York of Boozer for Lee? Is it possible KP is hoping something like that will happen?

Two reasons that doesn't make sense:
1. For the Knicks: Boozer and D'Antoni just don't fit. More importantly
2. For the Jazz: the Jazz have the Knicks' unprotected pick. They want the Knicks to suck as much as possible. With Boozer, the Knicks could be vaguely respectable.

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

Watch Utah not be able to move Boozer lol and we get Millsap. That would be fucking hilarious!!!! Then Boozer leaves them next year and they are screwed hahahahahaha. People will think KP is a miracle man again.

 

[PapaG]

And if OKC wanted to spend their cap space on Boozer, wouldn't they have already done that deal?

barfo

No. They may as well wait and see what happens with Millsap. If he matches, Utah is even more desperate to deal Boozer. OKC, if they want Boozer, is handling this in an ideal manner.

 

[axs88]

Two reasons that doesn't make sense:
1. For the Knicks: Boozer and D'Antoni just don't fit. More importantly
2. For the Jazz: the Jazz have the Knicks' unprotected pick. They want the Knicks to suck as much as possible. With Boozer, the Knicks could be vaguely respectable.

I agree with the 2nd point, I haven't thought about that. Although they got to give some to get some.
But I think Boozer would do just fine in D'Antoni's system. What does David Lee do that he can't?

 

[BlazersBlood]

The same agent said Oklahoma City, which also has ample cap space, doesn't want to help the Jazz by becoming part of a multi-team deal either.

That's good news. So even if the Jazz sign Millsap, they'll still need us to do a lopsided trade unless they want to pay the lux tax this year.

 

[barfo]

No. They may as well wait and see what happens with Millsap. If he matches, Utah is even more desperate to deal Boozer. OKC, if they want Boozer, is handling this in an ideal manner.

Depends on how badly they want him. They risk Utah not matching Portland and thus keeping Boozer.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Depends on how badly they want him. They risk Utah not matching Portland and thus keeping Boozer.

barfo

Perhaps Utah isn't willing to budge on Boozer until they make a decision on Millsap. Or, OKC waits it out and offers him next summer.

 

[barfo]

Perhaps Utah isn't willing to budge on Boozer until they make a decision on Millsap. Or, OKC waits it out and offers him next summer.

Could be. Could be practically anything, in fact.

barfo

 

[RR7]

I wonder what Miami would give up for Boozer in a potential 3 way trade. I'm assuming they would want to keep Beasley, and play him at SF. Would they move Chalmers, though?
What about a 3 way trade like so:

Miami In: Boozer, Blake
Miami Out: Chalmers, Haslem, Wright, 4 million dollar TPE(separate deal with Blake)

Why: Gives them a solid PG to play alongside Wade in Blake. And a top 10 PF. Solid lineup of Blake, Wade, Beasley, Boozer, O'Neal. Doesn't affect any 2010 plan, either.

Portland In: Chalmers, Haslem, Harpring
Portland Out: Blake, Outlaw

Gets a backup PF in Haslem. Tough minded SF in Harpring. Starting PG in Chalmers.

Utah In: Outlaw, Wright
Utah Out: Boozer, Harpring

Why: Sheds 12 million in salary, allowing them to easily slide Millsap's salary into Boozer's slot. Wright and Outlaw both expire.

Not too sure how much I like it. A lot depends on Chalmers, and how much we would value him, and whether you want him as your starting PG next season and beyond. Is he an improvement for this season? Was a pretty good defender at the PG spot. 37% 3 point shooter. I dunno. It also addresses the backup PF slot with Haslem, and a 3rd string SF who coul djust be the annoying pain in the ass he already is, for us as opposed to against us.

 

[Draco]

RR7, I'd pass on that.

We're giving up 2 mediocre players and our cap space for 3 mediocre players. Not much of an upgrade. If we really can't find anything for our cap space I'd rather just take on a bad contract at the price of draft pick(s). Similar to what SEA(OKC) did in the Kurt Thomas deal with Phoenix.