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PapaG said:
Um, OK. No point continuing this nonsense.
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yeah if you are going to pretend you know more about what constitutes scientific knowledge than the worlds entire scientific community there really isn't.

really, you claim to be neutral but it's obvious you are as jaded by creationist anti-science propaganda as any creationist is. same goes for platypus.
 
crandc said:
Man, go from denying that being gay is natural, to saying being gay is against natural selection, to denying that natural selection exists!

This whole thread is bogus. I mean, a person may seriously wonder how being born gay squares with natural selection. A serious person might ....

Go to a library or bookstore and read up on evolution of human sexuality and sexual variation in the animal world;
Contact a professor of evolutionary biology and ask for his/her views and a suggested reading list for lay persons;
Go online to any of the very good science blogs run by actual scientists, which include many on evolutionary biology, and pose the question.

A serious person does NOT go to a sports board full of self-proclaimed homophobes and science denier and say "gee, being gay can't be natural because in my totally inexpert opinion based on no facts that would contradict natural seletion which in my inexpert opinion never happened anywhere". A person who does that is just looking for validation for homophobia. You know "I'm not a bigot, it's just that I proved being gay is unnatural by posting on a sports board".
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crowTrobot said:
if you want take a theory that is supported by mountains of evidence from all aspects of the natural sciences and accepted almost unanimously by the world's entire scientific community, reaching a level of consensus shared by nothing that has ever been proven wrong, and call it an assumption, then you might as well be agnostic about the earth revolving around the sun. there is no intellectually valid agnostic position on common descent, or on the vast majority of species that have ever lived now being extinct. we can just as easily and safely deduce the truth of these things from the evidence available as we can anything else in science.

the exact percentage of extinct species doesn't really have relevance to what the point was, anyway. the contention was that if natural selection were true we would expect to see numerous species failing and going extinct. obviously we DO see no less than hundreds of thousands of species going extinct, both currently and in the fossil record.
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There's enough genetic variation among humans as well. Some of these variations are severe enough birth defects that the human in question doesn't survive (for long).

You'd think this is evidence that fish in the process of evolving lungs died trying to breath air. We only really see the ones that succeeded. The rest may be incredibly hard to find in the fossil record... We might not even realize a fossil we find is a failed branch.
 
Denny Crane said:
There's enough genetic variation among humans as well. Some of these variations are severe enough birth defects that the human in question doesn't survive (for long).

You'd think this is evidence that fish in the process of evolving lungs died trying to breath air. We only really see the ones that succeeded. The rest may be incredibly hard to find in the fossil record... We might not even realize a fossil we find is a failed branch.
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Hence the importance of observation. I can see a fossilized branch, too. That tells me nothing of how that branch was created, or how it evolved.

But, I digress...
 
crandc said:
Man, go from denying that being gay is natural, to saying being gay is against natural selection, to denying that natural selection exists!

This whole thread is bogus. I mean, a person may seriously wonder how being born gay squares with natural selection. A serious person might ....

Go to a library or bookstore and read up on evolution of human sexuality and sexual variation in the animal world;
Contact a professor of evolutionary biology and ask for his/her views and a suggested reading list for lay persons;
Go online to any of the very good science blogs run by actual scientists, which include many on evolutionary biology, and pose the question.

A serious person does NOT go to a sports board full of self-proclaimed homophobes and science denier and say "gee, being gay can't be natural because in my totally inexpert opinion based on no facts that would contradict natural seletion which in my inexpert opinion never happened anywhere". A person who does that is just looking for validation for homophobia. You know "I'm not a bigot, it's just that I proved being gay is unnatural by posting on a sports board".
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I never once denied that being gay is(or is not) genetic. I said it goes against the common theme of 'natural selection', as CrowTrobot was posting. I happen to believe that it is likely that there is a genetic component to true homosexuality. That said, in a truly natural setting, a species that becomes 100% homosexual, and practices sex solely that way, will become extinct barring the creation of compatible reproductive settings. Of course, once that happens, the question will be if the population is still 100% homosexual.

Terrible rant, and labeling me a "homophobe" is not only disingenuous, it is false.

By the way, if anybody has issues with sexuality here, crandc, it's you and your obvious disdain for heterosexual males. It's been the same act for what, 13 years now?
 
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PapaG said:
All life had to derive from some sort of living organism. If you can't explain where that organism came from, the entire theory comes into question.
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Gibberish.

Like saying the first assembly line had to be built on an assembly line.
 
PapaG said:
Who built the first assembly line?
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magnifier661 said:
Lol they don't want to think about that buddy
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Ford Motor Company founder Henry Ford (1863–1947) invented the assembly line, a factory arrangement in which work passes from one operation to the next until workers (who remain stationary) complete the product. In 1913, ten years after he founded the Ford Motor Company, Ford installed the first moving assembly line in one of his automobile manufacturing plants. Because this innovation allowed cars to be produced quickly and efficiently, Ford could charge a lower price for his product and still make a profit. Soon ordinary people—not just the wealthy—could afford to own a car. By the late twentieth century, however, people began to recognize the negative aspects of the assembly line, including repetitive motion injuries and the dehumanization of the worker who could not control the pace of his or her job.

Further Information: "The Arsenals of Progress." The Economist (US). March 5, 1994, pp. M5–8; Gourley, Catherine. Wheels of Time: A Picture Biography of Henry Ford. Brookfield, Conn.: Millbrook, 1997; Samuelson, Robert J. "The Assembly Line." Newsweek. Winter, 1997, pp. 18–22; WWW Virtual Library for the History of Science, Technology, and Medicine. Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Ford Motor Company founder Henry Ford (1863–1947) invented the assembly line, a factory arrangement in which work passes from one operation to the next until workers (who remain stationary) complete the product. In 1913, ten years after he founded the Ford Motor Company, Ford installed the first moving assembly line in one of his automobile manufacturing plants. Because this innovation allowed cars to be produced quickly and efficiently, Ford could charge a lower price for his product and still make a profit. Soon ordinary people—not just the wealthy—could afford to own a car. By the late twentieth century, however, people began to recognize the negative aspects of the assembly line, including repetitive motion injuries and the dehumanization of the worker who could not control the pace of his or her job.
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This is all hogwash. Everyone knows that the assembly line was created from nothing by Vishwakarma, the Hindu god of construction.

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VanillaGorilla said:
Ford Motor Company founder Henry Ford (1863–1947) invented the assembly line, a factory arrangement in which work passes from one operation to the next until workers (who remain stationary) complete the product. In 1913, ten years after he founded the Ford Motor Company, Ford installed the first moving assembly line in one of his automobile manufacturing plants. Because this innovation allowed cars to be produced quickly and efficiently, Ford could charge a lower price for his product and still make a profit. Soon ordinary people—not just the wealthy—could afford to own a car. By the late twentieth century, however, people began to recognize the negative aspects of the assembly line, including repetitive motion injuries and the dehumanization of the worker who could not control the pace of his or her job.

Further Information: "The Arsenals of Progress." The Economist (US). March 5, 1994, pp. M5–8; Gourley, Catherine. Wheels of Time: A Picture Biography of Henry Ford. Brookfield, Conn.: Millbrook, 1997; Samuelson, Robert J. "The Assembly Line." Newsweek. Winter, 1997, pp. 18–22; WWW Virtual Library for the History of Science, Technology, and Medicine. Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village.
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LOL! Hahahahah! So intelligence designed the assembly line then?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Ford Motor Company founder Henry Ford (1863–1947) invented the assembly line, a factory arrangement in which work passes from one operation to the next until workers (who remain stationary) complete the product. In 1913, ten years after he founded the Ford Motor Company, Ford installed the first moving assembly line in one of his automobile manufacturing plants. Because this innovation allowed cars to be produced quickly and efficiently, Ford could charge a lower price for his product and still make a profit. Soon ordinary people—not just the wealthy—could afford to own a car. By the late twentieth century, however, people began to recognize the negative aspects of the assembly line, including repetitive motion injuries and the dehumanization of the worker who could not control the pace of his or her job.

Further Information: "The Arsenals of Progress." The Economist (US). March 5, 1994, pp. M5–8; Gourley, Catherine. Wheels of Time: A Picture Biography of Henry Ford. Brookfield, Conn.: Millbrook, 1997; Samuelson, Robert J. "The Assembly Line." Newsweek. Winter, 1997, pp. 18–22; WWW Virtual Library for the History of Science, Technology, and Medicine. Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village.
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Thank you for validating the idea of intelligent design. :)
 
Until you morons stop believing in this unicorn called "evolution"; you will never be respected in here! Get up to speed fellas!
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
His mommy and daddy.
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Yes, and his grandparents invented his parents. That's not the point.

The point is, if his grandparents were gay, would Henry Ford have existed to invent the assembly line? :)
 
magnifier661 said:
Until you morons stop believing in this unicorn called "evolution"; you will never be respected in here! Get up to speed fellas!
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I tried to point out why unicorns don't exist any more, but nobody took it seriously!
 
PapaG said:
I tried to point out why unicorns don't exist any more, but nobody took it seriously!
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:D yeah I saw that. Almost spit out my coffee reading it. Also that Gay White Supremacist Unicorn Tatoo was EPICLY contridicting!"
 
PapaG said:
Yes, and his grandparents invented his parents. That's not the point.

The point is, if his grandparents were gay, would Henry Ford have existed to invent the assembly line? :)
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How do you knows Henry Ford's grandparents WEREN'T gay (or at least one of them)?

I have multiple friends whose parents got divorced after 20+ years of marriage because one parent had decided to come out as gay. There were a lot of gay people that married and had children back then. That's nothing new. Conception doesn't require two heterosexual individuals to have sex - it just requires the sperm of a man and the egg of a female.

And in some of those cases, I was shocked that one of the parents was gay. Perhaps they became gay later in life, out of a shift in the person's beliefs/values/interest/whatever. And in other cases, I was shocked the parent didn't come out much sooner.
 
PapaG said:
Who built the first assembly line?
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The Intelligent Designer, of course.

His name is Henry Ford.

EDIT: bah, you guys beat me to it. Too obvious a set up.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
How do you knows Henry Ford's grandparents WEREN'T gay (or at least one of them)?

I have multiple friends whose parents got divorced after 20+ years of marriage because one parent had decided to come out as gay. There were a lot of gay people that married and had children back then. That's nothing new. Conception doesn't require two heterosexual individuals to have sex - it just requires the sperm of a man and the egg of a female.

And in some of those cases, I was shocked that one of the parents was gay. Perhaps they became gay later in life, out of a shift in the person's beliefs/values/interest/whatever. And in other cases, I was shocked the parent didn't come out much sooner.
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I mean gay as in gay as a genetic variation, such as race or sex. A person with black skin color, due to their genes, can't choose to be say, Asian for a day. Or are we not talking about genes anymore, and we're back to preferences?
 
PapaG said:
I mean gay as in gay as a genetic variation, such as race or sex. A person with black skin color, due to their genes, can't choose to be say, Asian for a day. Or are we not talking about genes anymore, and we're back to preferences?
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Fuck, I have no idea. I'm not invested in this topic. Like most topics on this board, it became derailed long ago. I looked at some of the last posts, asked myself how I could contribute to the chaos and dysfunction, and spewed my garbage.

You're welcome.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Fuck, I have no idea. I'm not invested in this topic. Like most topics on this board, it became derailed long ago. I looked at some of the last posts, asked myself how I could contribute to the chaos and dysfunction, and spewed my garbage.

You're welcome.
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You are such a homophobe! :P
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Fuck, I have no idea. I'm not invested in this topic. Like most topics on this board, it became derailed long ago. I looked at some of the last posts, asked myself how I could contribute to the chaos and dysfunction, and spewed my garbage.

You're welcome.
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Haha! Honesty is repworthy. I have no idea what's going on at this point, other than a bunch of us are homophobes, theories are more valid than scientific laws, and Henry Ford invented a gay assembly line.
 
PapaG said:
Haha! Honesty is repworthy. I have no idea what's going on at this point, other than a bunch of us are homophobes, theories are more valid than scientific laws, and Henry Ford invented a gay assembly line.
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WRONG! Ford invented Gay Unicorn Assembly Lines!
 
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