Science How This Decade of Archaeology Changed What We Know About Human Origins

[Lanny]

Science and math. is nearly all I have in these matters.
Interestingly enough, it is the concept of infinity that brought me back to the church. Well, that and a feeling I have deep down inside that builds and builds and is related to my church.

Your logic regarding my feelings on science is so incredibly flawed and smacks of someone who wants to shove a square peg in a round hole that I'm going to dismiss it and get on to more productive matters. You may get along to what you feel is more productive, also. So, I'm trying to give you more than just a hint that Let's Drop It.

 

[noknobs]

Your logic regarding my feelings on science is so incredibly flawed and smacks of someone who wants to shove a square peg in a round hole that I'm going to dismiss it and get on to more productive matters. You may get along to what you feel is more productive, also. So, I'm trying to give you more than just a hint that Let's Drop It.

All I can do is respond to what you've posted and I have. I haven't made anything up and yet you call it nonsense. Whatever, I'll let you get back to being productive.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Because we are always pushing the boundaries into new territory.

No one is seriously challenging whether the world is flat, or what the chemical makeup of benzene is, or what causes bubonic plague. There is a substantial base of scientific knowledge that has indeed converged.

barfo

This isn't really true though, just as a Buddhist, Hindu, Christian may have quite different interpretations of what they see. A Biologist, Physicist, and Astrologist will often times have very, very different takes on things, and just as Religions can be tribal, there is a lot of tribalism in different sectors of the sciences. The thing is really almost no two individuals will converge on everything, but even the Hindu and the Christian will find basic things they can agree on. Just as a biologist and a Physicist may not disagree that the world is round.

I'd agree with Gervais to this degree, IF in fact there is nothing supernatural pulling the strings, then yes what we consider "religion" in 1,000's of years would look at least somewhat different it's really hard to say how different, it could just be the names of things, if we're saying it's mostly from personal interpretation's then it's very possible that over the course of thousands of years people would interpret morality, and all that stuff in a similar way that they have now. Mathematics would look the same, and the laws of the universe would indeed still be the laws of the universe.

 

[MarAzul]

the Hindu and the Christian will find basic things they can agree on.

They may or maybe not. But the reality of the similarities is astounding. The book, The Sixteen saviors does a fair job of laying this out.

Here is another short list of the similarities;
The Birth of Christ VS the Birth of Krishna
The similarities here are almost too many to mention, but here’s a quick list:

• Both were born of virgin mothers
• Both were of a holy trinity (Father, son and holy ghost- Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu)
• Spirit was their father
• Bother were visited by shepherds and wise men following a star
• Angels warned the parents that a dictator would kill the babies
• Both undertook ritual fasting and deep meditation when they became adults, finding their connection to spirituality
• Both performed numerous and similar miracles, including raising the dead
• Though the had the power to destroy others, in many cases they embraced their meekness
• Both were resurrected
• Both taught similar doctrines of morals

Teachings: Morals and Values
There are many similarities here…even more than the birth of Jesus and Krishna!

• Nonviolence
• Forgiveness
• Love your neighbor just as much as yourself
• Give without expectation, and do it frequently
• Live without attachment to the world
• Put your spiritual life above anything else
• Non-stealing
• Non-covetousness
• Self-control
• Prayer
• Meditation (direct communion with the Divine)

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• People have speculated that Christ might have visited India for several years before returning to Judah/Israel to complete his mission.
  
  
  
  

 

[yankeesince59]

lol...this is actually a very entertaining thread.

 

[barfo]

This isn't really true though, just as a Buddhist, Hindu, Christian may have quite different interpretations of what they see. A Biologist, Physicist, and Astrologist will often times have very, very different takes on things, and just as Religions can be tribal, there is a lot of tribalism in different sectors of the sciences. The thing is really almost no two individuals will converge on everything, but even the Hindu and the Christian will find basic things they can agree on. Just as a biologist and a Physicist may not disagree that the world is round.

You say you disagree, but then you wind up agreeing.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That's called death knocking at your door and the misguided hope that somehow your minute contribution to the collective will live on in perpetuity.

It's sad really, you're just another thing recycling our atmosphere yet you are struggling to assign some greater purpose to your existence.

Which seems to explain why every member of your family ran a mafia nightclub or crossed paths with Charles Manson or JFK or whichever fairytale you spout each day.

It's sad and utterly predictable. Walter Mitty has been around for decades. The only sadder more obvious example I've come across was a girl I went to elementary school with who's parents were RICH (and occasionally picked her up from school in a Chevette)

Infinity is a great concept as far as churches go. It is the max amount of your money that they desire.

Ive heard you all upset about wars in the Middle East and all the killing weve done for oil. If there all just carbon waiting to be recycled why is it important to you that we stop those wars?
You could say oh equal right for all, but if you’re legitimately arguing that there is 0 worth to life, other than for its chemicals to be recycled back into the atmosphere it seems there is very little reason to be upset about murder, or wars, or whatever.

All wars for oil, or any of that is doing is expediting the process of recycling.

Were all free to believe what we want, but at the end of the day, theres a lot we dont know, and we all subjectively put some purpose and value to our lives and the lives of others whether its religious or not.

Heres an interesting qoute for something to think about.


But the new rebel is a skeptic, and will not entirely trust anything. He has no loyalty; therefore he can never be really a revolutionist. And the fact that he doubts everything really gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything. For all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind; and the modern revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces, but the doctrine by which he denounces it. . . . As a politician, he will cry out that war is a waste of life, and then, as a philosopher, that all life is waste of time. A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant, and then prove by the highest philosophical principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself. . . . The man of this school goes first to a political meeting, where he complains that savages are treated as if they were beasts; then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes on to a scientific meeting, where he proves that they practically are beasts. In short, the modern revolutionist, being an infinite skeptic, is always engaged in undermining his own mines. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling on morality; in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men. Therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt. By rebelling against everything he has lost his right to rebel against anything.
G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy

 

[MarAzul]

The current plan is to carry on with the cycle.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The current plan is to carry on with the cycle.

What cycle?

 

[riverman]

What cycle?

the unicycle

 

[riverman]

 

[MarAzul]

What cycle?

See.
You can't even follow the thread now.
Deleting post can have this effect. @bodyman5000 and 1

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Ive heard you all upset about wars in the Middle East and all the killing weve done for oil. If there all just carbon waiting to be recycled why is it important to you that we stop those wars?
You could say oh equal right for all, but if you’re legitimately arguing that there is 0 worth to life, other than for its chemicals to be recycled back into the atmosphere it seems there is very little reason to be upset about murder, or wars, or whatever.

All wars for oil, or any of that is doing is expediting the process of recycling.

Were all free to believe what we want, but at the end of the day, theres a lot we dont know, and we all subjectively put some purpose and value to our lives and the lives of others whether its religious or not.

Heres an interesting qoute for something to think about.


But the new rebel is a skeptic, and will not entirely trust anything. He has no loyalty; therefore he can never be really a revolutionist. And the fact that he doubts everything really gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything. For all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind; and the modern revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces, but the doctrine by which he denounces it. . . . As a politician, he will cry out that war is a waste of life, and then, as a philosopher, that all life is waste of time. A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant, and then prove by the highest philosophical principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself. . . . The man of this school goes first to a political meeting, where he complains that savages are treated as if they were beasts; then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes on to a scientific meeting, where he proves that they practically are beasts. In short, the modern revolutionist, being an infinite skeptic, is always engaged in undermining his own mines. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling on morality; in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men. Therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt. By rebelling against everything he has lost his right to rebel against anything.
G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy

blah blah blah. I don't want to get into a debate about religion and war. We're all going to die. I didn't say there is no value in life. I don't want innocent beings to suffer while they are alive. Hell, I don't want smart mouthed assholes to suffer. Which is why I barely scan this propaganda recycling forum here and there. It's like getting all the DNC talking points from CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the corporate media regurgitated by sarcastic buttholes. No thanks.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

blah blah blah. I don't want to get into a debate about religion and war. We're all going to die. I didn't say there is no value in life. I don't want innocent beings to suffer while they are alive. Hell, I don't want smart mouthed assholes to suffer. Which is why I barely scan this propaganda recycling forum here and there. It's like getting all the DNC talking points from CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the corporate media regurgitated by sarcastic buttholes. No thanks.

Again, I'm sorry I hurt you. If there is anything besides dying that I could do to make up for it please let me know.

 

[MARIS61]

Getting back to the thread topic, this phony impeachment is actually fooling some Dems and proves there's a lot more surviving Neanderthals than we ever suspected.

 

[Lanny]

Getting back to the thread topic, this phony impeachment is actually fooling some Dems and proves there's a lot more surviving Neanderthals than we ever suspected.

Now it's Neanderthals, will you ever stop disparaging the White House?