Born Gay? Legit or not.

[magnifier661]

Where's that facepalm emoticon when I need one, dagnabbit?

Keep in mind trip that I don't think most people that believe in evolution think there is some gay gene. I am replying to one that actually thinks this. It goes against the whole purpose of natural selection.

 

[crowTrobot]

Keep in mind trip that I don't think most people that believe in evolution think there is some gay gene. I am replying to one that actually thinks this. It goes against the whole purpose of natural selection.

natural selection doesn't have a purpose

 

[magnifier661]

natural selection doesn't have a purpose

So would you consider being gay is just part of some randomness through evolution then? So possibly we may be extinct because we all will become gay and cannot reproduce?

 

[RR7]

we all will become gay and cannot reproduce?

I know a lesbian couple that just had a baby. In order for your scenario to take place, there could only be one sex. Otherwise, reproduction is totally possible.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So would you consider being gay is just part of some randomness through evolution then? So possibly we may be extinct because we all will become gay and cannot reproduce?

Kingspeed has 2 kids.

Just sayin'

 

[magnifier661]

I know a lesbian couple that just had a baby. In order for your scenario to take place, there could only be one sex. Otherwise, reproduction is totally possible.

Okay so the human race is a little different then? Animals like the penguin above would be extinct if they all decided to be gay? Maybe that's why the unicorn became extinct! We are on to something here!

 

[magnifier661]

Kingspeed has 2 kids.

Just sayin'

Yeah I know a few gay couples that adopted or artificially impregnated themselves. But remember "natural selection" has no purpose. If this happened to the Polar Bear, they couldn't go to some medical treatment facility and artificially fertilize themselves now can they?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yeah I know a few gay couples that adopted or artificially impregnated themselves. But remember "natural selection" has no purpose. If this happened to the Polar Bear, they couldn't go to some medical treatment facility and artificially fertilize themselves now can they?

Kingspeed was married to a woman for 3 years and had 2 kids.

 

[magnifier661]

Kingspeed was married to a woman for 3 years and had 2 kids.

So he wasn't "Born Gay" then?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So he wasn't "Born Gay" then?

There are some gay people who choose to live a heterosexual lifestyle for a variety of reasons. I think that is less common today because society is more accepting but it still happens.

 

[magnifier661]

There are some gay people who choose to live a heterosexual lifestyle for a variety of reasons. I think that is less common today because society is more accepting but it still happens.

So Kingspeed was "born gay" but tried not to be gay? Personally, I don't think being gay has to do with anything genetic. I think every man and woman thinks about being gay because it's intriguing. Anyone that denies it is just fooling themselves. It's a choice and they either choose to be or not be gay. Frankly, I don't care as long as they are happy. I think it's laughable that people think they were "born gay". Sorry it doesn't fly with me.

In my belief I think people are "born sinners". And in God's eyes every sin is just as bad as the other one. In fact, I think I probably sin more than gay people. At least the gay people I know.

 

[RR7]

as a christian, shouldn't you at least put in an attempt to not sin? It seems strange to live like that, an, all is forgiven because I believe sort of shit, instead of actually trying to practice what is preached, so to speak.

I'm sure the gay community is happy to know that their sin of " choosing to be gay" is being trumped by your indiscretions.

 

[magnifier661]

as a christian, shouldn't you at least put in an attempt to not sin? It seems strange to live like that, an, all is forgiven because I believe sort of shit, instead of actually trying to practice what is preached, so to speak.

I'm sure the gay community is happy to know that their sin of " choosing to be gay" is being trumped by your indiscretions.

Actually I talk very candidly with many of my gay friends. They know my belief and we have cool discussions about it.

And yeah I must strive not to be a "sinner" because I want a better relationship with God. When I say that I sin more than many gay people I know; it's the damn truth. I think many of my personal issues and lack of communication with God has a lot to do with my trouble with my own sin. So I don't judge "gay people" because I'm not without sin. I laugh at Christians that think they can judge gay people too. In God's eyes those Christians are just as bad as the sinners they are so quick to judge.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Actually I talk very candidly with many of my gay friends. They know my belief and we have cool discussions about it.

And yeah I must strive not to be a "sinner" because I want a better relationship with God. When I say that I sin more than many gay people I know; it's the damn truth. I think many of my personal issues and lack of communication with God has a lot to do with my trouble with my own sin. So I don't judge "gay people" because I'm not without sin. I laugh at Christians that think they can judge gay people too. In God's eyes those Christians are just as bad as the sinners they are so quick to judge.

Judging in is a sin itself...so yes, some of my fellow chrisitians arent very christ like in that respect

 

[MARIS61]

Haven't read the thread, but I don't think it's anybody's business.

And other than a few insecure gays and insecure homophobes, I don't think anybody really cares.

 

[Minstrel]

So would you consider being gay is just part of some randomness through evolution then? So possibly we may be extinct because we all will become gay and cannot reproduce?

Do you consider impotence a choice? If not, do you think the human race may possibly become extinct because we will all become impotent and be unable to reproduce?

Before I go further, I should clarify what I am not saying. I am not saying that homosexuality and impotence come about in the same way, biologically. I am also not comparing them as a condition (as some might be tempted to think that since impotence is generally perceived as an affliction or a system flaw, that I am saying homosexuality is also an affliction or a flaw...something I do not believe at all).

The point is, you cannot use the simplistic logic of "If something does not directly aid in procreation, then clearly it is not naturally occurring because, you know, natural selection."

There are recessive genes. There are both heritable and non-heritable traits that emerge in a minority of the species. "Evolution" is a simple concept but an extremely complicated process in the natural world that takes actual study to speak knowledgeably about. You cannot simply apply it at whim in casual conversation.

 

[magnifier661]

Do you consider impotence a choice? If not, do you think the human race may possibly become extinct because we will all become impotent and be unable to reproduce?

Before I go further, I should clarify what I am not saying. I am not saying that homosexuality and impotence come about in the same way, biologically. I am also not comparing them as a condition (as some might be tempted to think that since impotence is generally perceived as an affliction or a system flaw, that I am saying homosexuality is also an affliction or a flaw...something I do not believe at all).

The point is, you cannot use the simplistic logic of "If something does not directly aid in procreation, then clearly it is not naturally occurring because, you know, natural selection."

There are recessive genes. There are both heritable and non-heritable traits that emerge in a minority of the species. "Evolution" is a simple concept but an extremely complicated process in the natural world that takes actual study to speak knowledgeably about. You cannot simply apply it at whim in casual conversation.

Hey this was a damn good post. Well written and thought out. I may not agree but you make a damn good point. Rep'd!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hey this was a damn good post. Well written and thought out. I may not agree but you make a damn good point. Rep'd!

Well if that gets someone rep'd what do you get if you make up shit about Kingspeed having a wife and kids?

 

[julius]

Well if that gets someone rep'd what do you get if you make up shit about Kingspeed having a wife and kids?

An Oscar or a Tony.

 

[magnifier661]

Well if that gets someone rep'd what do you get if you make up shit about Kingspeed having a wife and kids?

An idiot!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

An Oscar or a Tony.

I'd like to thank all the little people who made this award possible!

An idiot!

Hey now, that's not nice. Not nice at all!

 

[crowTrobot]

I may not agree but you make a damn good point.

lol

that's the nature of religous fundamentalism. you're not able to agree with damn good points.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Do you consider impotence a choice? If not, do you think the human race may possibly become extinct because we will all become impotent and be unable to reproduce?

Before I go further, I should clarify what I am not saying. I am not saying that homosexuality and impotence come about in the same way, biologically. I am also not comparing them as a condition (as some might be tempted to think that since impotence is generally perceived as an affliction or a system flaw, that I am saying homosexuality is also an affliction or a flaw...something I do not believe at all).

The point is, you cannot use the simplistic logic of "If something does not directly aid in procreation, then clearly it is not naturally occurring because, you know, natural selection."

There are recessive genes. There are both heritable and non-heritable traits that emerge in a minority of the species. "Evolution" is a simple concept but an extremely complicated process in the natural world that takes actual study to speak knowledgeably about. You cannot simply apply it at whim in casual conversation.

My contention with this "damn good point" would be that impotence (to my knowledge) is generally something that develops over the course of someone's life. It is not a condition that people are commonly born with--certainly not 5-10% of the male population (as is claimed with homosexuality). For me to consider this to be a legitimate argument in opposition to Mags' "natural selection" point, I would need someone to identify for me a similarly commonly occurring genetic condition that inherently prevents procreation.

 

[MARIS61]

My contention with this "damn good point" would be that impotence (to my knowledge) is generally something that develops over the course of someone's life. It is not a condition that people are commonly born with--certainly not 5-10% of the male population (as is claimed with homosexuality). For me to consider this to be a legitimate argument in opposition to Mags' "natural selection" point, I would need someone to identify for me a similarly commonly occurring genetic condition that inherently prevents procreation.

Strawman.

Many gay people do in fact procreate. There is certainly nothing preventing them from doing so if they wish to.

 

[crowTrobot]

For me to consider this to be a legitimate argument in opposition to Mags' "natural selection" point, I would need someone to identify for me a similarly commonly occurring genetic condition that inherently prevents procreation.

mags' argument is misguided. a recessive trait that prevents procreation doesn't have to be weeded out of a massive freely interbreeding population. in that circumstance there isn't necessarily any selection pressure to do the work.

and for homosexuality to be genetic in origin there doesn't necessarily have to be a "gay gene" that could be directly selected against by lack of breeding. it's possible (likely IMO) that there is a certain type of overall genetic makeup that is prone to homosexuality, but many people with this genetic makeup DO still breed. in that sense it might parallel impotence - not necessarily directly genetic but potentially a symptom resulting from other genetic factors.

 

[magnifier661]

lol

that's the nature of religous fundamentalism. you're not able to agree with damn good points.

That's bullshit on my opinion crowbot and you've witnessed threee things I've changed my opinion on. Personally I think your kind are the ones that fail to even consider the other side. Thanks for playing.

 

[magnifier661]

My contention with this "damn good point" would be that impotence (to my knowledge) is generally something that develops over the course of someone's life. It is not a condition that people are commonly born with--certainly not 5-10% of the male population (as is claimed with homosexuality). For me to consider this to be a legitimate argument in opposition to Mags' "natural selection" point, I would need someone to identify for me a similarly commonly occurring genetic condition that inherently prevents procreation.

Exactly... It seems they would rather call out strawman and saying Religious factions will not accept anything else. They just assume if you believe in God than you are just wrong. Terrible way of thinking.

 

[magnifier661]

Strawman.

Many gay people do in fact procreate. There is certainly nothing preventing them from doing so if they wish to.

How about those gay penguins or polar bears?

 

[magnifier661]

mags' argument is misguided. a recessive trait that prevents procreation doesn't have to be weeded out of a massive freely interbreeding population. in that circumstance there isn't necessarily any selection pressure to do the work.

and for homosexuality to be genetic in origin there doesn't necessarily have to be a "gay gene" that could be directly selected against by lack of breeding. it's possible (likely IMO) that there is a certain type of overall genetic makeup that is prone to homosexuality, but many people with this genetic makeup DO still breed. in that sense it might parallel impotence - not necessarily directly genetic but potentially a symptom resulting from other genetic factors.

Yeah we all have that genetic make-up but we either choose to or not to be gay.

 

[crowTrobot]

That's bullshit on my opinion crowbot and you've witnessed threee things I've changed my opinion on. Personally I think your kind are the ones that fail to even consider the other side. Thanks for playing.

thanks for playing? are you 9?

i was just stating a simple fact. no matter how many "damn good points" on the matter you are presented with you can't accept that homosexuality isn't a matter of choice without invalidating your fundamentalist belief that it's a sin.