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Nice to be the top dog on a stat that doesn't matter or make any sense. Woo-Hoo!
 
I'd pay good money to watch the top five on that list play the next five.

Okay, I wouldn't. But I'd spend some time looking for the free internet feed.
 
Nate4Prez said:
Nice to be the top dog on a stat that doesn't matter or make any sense. Woo-Hoo!
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Of course, ultimately nothing matters or makes sense. So what's your point? (Don't bother - you haven't got one - nobody does!)
 
yesterday, Ralph Lawler on the clippers broadcast said that Roy would be one of the top 5 in guys he would start a franchise with right now. that's pretty high praise.
 
Meh, Roy is entering the realm of the overrated. He wouldn't be so good if he didn't have Steve Blake creating for him.
 
Mook, didn't you get Barrett's memo? Anytime you write "Steve Blake", it's required to put "14-assist-in-one-quarter" adjacent or in the middle of it.
 
Well if you look at this stat Aldridge is in some pretty elite company.

Adjusted Plus/Minus 2008-09

http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=2087

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Team Player              Minutes Offense Defense Error Total
CLE  James, LeBron       1807    11.31   5.70    1.20  17.02
NOH  Paul, Chris         1571     9.51   6.78    1.57  16.29
BOS  Garnett, Kevin      1464     6.49   6.93    1.35  13.42
PHI  Iguodala, Andre     1858     4.14   8.99    1.27  13.13
MIA  Wade, Dwayne        1826    10.70   1.85    1.32  12.55
HOU  Ming, Yao           1408     3.49   8.11    1.21  11.60
POR  Aldridge, LaMarcus  1770     4.65   5.56    1.39  10.21
DAL  Kidd, Jason         1651     4.84   4.65    1.14   9.49
ORL  Lewis, Rashard      1807     5.78   3.58    1.09   9.37
SAS  Duncan, Tim         1587     4.78   4.22    1.31   9.00
 
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wheres kingspeed

stop please. roy isnt even in he same conversation.
 
mook said:
Meh, Roy is entering the realm of the overrated. He wouldn't be so good if he didn't have Steve Blake creating for him.
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Yes, I know you're being funny, but I'm going to miss the point entirely and take it seriously: actually Blake doesn't often create for Roy - it's more the other way round. At least that's what my eyes are telling me (probably wrongly). For example, yesterday Roy had like 2 points after the first quarter when Blake was getting all those assists. Aldridge is the most common recipient of a Blake assist, I'll bet. Meanwhile, in crunch time it's Roy who's creating and Blake who's spotting up.
 
MIXUM said:
wheres kingspeed
stop please. roy isnt even in he same conversation.
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Depends on the conversation. For example:

"You know who's a hated asshole? Kobe Bryant. You know who isn't? Brandon Roy."

See?

(Eric, are you happy that MIXUM's looking to you for backup?)
 
What's interesting is that both of those stats have Jason Kidd ranked incredibly highly. Is Mark Cuban behind this?
 
Adjusted +/- isn't a bad statistic, so long as there's a reasonably large sample size. It accounts for which players are on the floor with the player in question, unlike pure +/-.

Kobe is still a bit more productive than Roy individually, but it's possible that Roy makes up that ground and then some in defense and creating for teammates.

I certainly don't take adjusted +/- as gospel, but it's definitely an interesting and useful metric.
 
Didn't someone try to argue Devin Harris was better than Brandon? Harris is even better than Kobe!
 
Well, logically I think Kobe Bryant is a better player, no doubt. Brandon Roy will be great, but Kobe is the best player in the world.
 
He meant Kobe was the best playa in the world. That's why they call him "Mamba". That, and the fact that he insists on it.
 
Simply using common decency as a yardstick, pretty much everyone in the NBA is better than the anal-rapist.
 
DaRizzle said:
Chris Paul....please :tsktsk:

For a multitude of reasons and I dont feel like writing an essay...no
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Chris Paul is an utterly amazing player. If he plays a normal length career at this level, he'd be up there with the likes of Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson. He's currently as good or better than Kobe was at his peak, and Kobe's off-peak now.

Paul is underrated, which is saying something considering he's regarded as a superstar.
 
That list is faulty. Ronny is better than KG and Pau apparently.

I can come up with crazy mathematical formulas too, but I don't.
 
Minstrel said:
Chris Paul is an utterly amazing player. If he plays a normal length career at this level, he'd be up there with the likes of Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson. He's currently as good or better than Kobe was at his peak, and Kobe's off-peak now.

Paul is underrated, which is saying something considering he's regarded as a superstar.
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Paul left me unimpressed with that horrid mistake against the Lakers. What a horrible couple decisions he made.
 
huevonkiller said:
Don't hold out on us, do your worst. :O
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-d(a(du/dx))/dx+(d^2(b*(du^2/dx^2)/dx^2))+co*u+c1*(du/dt)+c2*(du^2/dt^2)=f(x,t) = How to determine the best players in the world. Every where it says dx or du, you just put a stat of a alright player to make him look amazing.
 
KingSpeed said:
Paul left me unimpressed with that horrid mistake against the Lakers. What a horrible couple decisions he made.
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That didn't impress me, either. However, I think the rest of his career might allow him to make up for that play.

Maybe.
 
Yeah Chris Paul is better than Kobe, so is Brandon Roy. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. I'd prefer Manu over him as well. When they're careers are all set and finished, Chris Paul will go down as the best player in NBA history, since he is underrated. Kobe is an overrated piece of shit. Morally, he is even worse than Jeffrey Dahmer. Maybe he has AIDS? He is about as close to MJ as Von Wafer is to Lebron James.
 
Minstrel said:
Chris Paul is an utterly amazing player. If he plays a normal length career at this level, he'd be up there with the likes of Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson. He's currently as good or better than Kobe was at his peak, and Kobe's off-peak now.

Paul is underrated, which is saying something considering he's regarded as a superstar.
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Chris Paul has had nine triple doubles in his career(3.5 seasons): Link

Magic had 138 in his career, averaged over 11 a season...please dont insult Magic:tsktsk:

(id point out more but my comp is fucking up :ohno: )
 
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