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DaRizzle said:
Chris Paul has had nine triple doubles in his career(3.5 seasons): Link

Magic had 138 in his career, averaged over 11 a season
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Magic Johnson was a triple double machine. He was quite a player.

Not particularly relevant to what I said, but he should be very proud of himself.
 
DaRizzle said:
19.5/11.2/7.2
18.9/9.7/4.6
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Showtime pace matter much for getting stats?

Chris Paul PER last two years: 28.3, 29.8
Magic Johnson's best PER: 27.0, 26.9

I hear huevonkiller coming with the anger, so let me point out: This doesn't necessarily mean Paul is better, but his current level of play has been matched by very, very few point guards ever.
 
Minstrel said:
Showtime pace matter much for getting stats?

Chris Paul PER last two years: 28.3, 29.8
Magic Johnson's best PER: 27.0, 26.9

I hear huevonkiller coming with the anger, so let me point out: This doesn't necessarily mean Paul is better, but his current level of play has been matched by very, very few point guards ever.
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I agree, but Magic VERY MUCH surpassed it
 
Duckman said:
-d(a(du/dx))/dx+(d^2(b*(du^2/dx^2)/dx^2))+co*u+c1*(du/dt)+c2*(du^2/dt^2)=f(x,t) = How to determine the best players in the world. Every where it says dx or du, you just put a stat of a alright player to make him look amazing.
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This only works in traditional geodesic universe - if the ball is under or over inflated - your value of PI changes and the entire formula needs to reflect it.

We are talking quantum mechanics here and you give me Newtonian physics. Weak.
 
Minstrel said:
Showtime pace matter much for getting stats?

Chris Paul PER last two years: 28.3, 29.8
Magic Johnson's best PER: 27.0, 26.9

I hear huevonkiller coming with the anger, so let me point out: This doesn't necessarily mean Paul is better, but his current level of play has been matched by very, very few point guards ever.
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Lol you hear nothing of the sort, I attack in different fashions. ;)
 
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andalusian said:
This only works in traditional geodesic universe - if the ball is under or over inflated - your value of PI changes and the entire formula needs to reflect it.

We are talking quantum mechanics here and you give me Newtonian physics. Weak.
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Not bad man, repped. :O
 
huevonkiller said:
Lol you hear nothing of the sort, I attack in different fashions. ;)
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I stand ready.
 
huevonkiller said:
Haha well, I'm not into that LOTR/Samurai stuff man, just sports.
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oic.

I'm not into samurai/LOTR either, I'm into using funny pictures taken from Google as a quick and easy comedic device. Sometimes I think it's a way of avoiding painful issues. A coping mechanism, if you will. Who is the real Minstrel? I have to say, I don't know, at this point. :(
 
Minstrel said:
oic.

I'm not into samurai/LOTR either, I'm into using funny pictures taken from Google as a quick and easy comedic device. Sometimes I think it's a way of avoiding painful issues. A coping mechanism, if you will. Who is the real Minstrel? I have to say, I don't know, at this point. :(
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Aw well, now I feel like a jerk. Nothing personal man. :O
 
huevonkiller said:
Aw well, now I feel like a jerk. Nothing personal man. :O
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Not to worry, I found myself. I was behind a stack of books on the desk.

Thank you for being there, though, at a tough time.
 
I'm a huge Chris Paul homer so I'm going to post this awesome little article by NBAFANHOUSE.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/10/15/nba-top-50-chris-paul-no-2/

Let's take the two consensus greatest point guards of the modern era, Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas. Paul gets the Thomas comp often, but most would list Magic atop any modern era list. Fair enough: those two were great, great players, a pair of the best players in our league's history. And Paul -- at age 22 -- is already on par with them.

The following graph displays some figures for the best statistical season for Paul, Johnson and Thomas. For Paul, of course, it's '07-08. For Johnson, we went with 1986-87. For Thomas, it's 1984-85. We took per-game box score statistics and made one crucial adjustment: pace. (This is something suggested by the great Kelly Dwyer.) We adjusted each player's figures to suggest what the player would be done if his team played at the pace of 100 possessions per game. If we don't make this adjustment, a player from a slow team has a material disadvantage in racking up numbers: if Player A's team has the ball for 90 possessions, and Player B's team has 105 possessions, then there are more opportunities for Player B to get a point, an assist, a steal. Adjusting for pace just evens this out.

So let's take a look at the pace-adjusted numbers.

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Remember, we aren't using PER, so there's no killer, one-number statistic to point at. This is just your basic point guard rundown: points (Paul and Magic land within a tenth of a point of each other, Isiah was not as potent), assists (Isiah has a small advantage over Paul, and a substantial lead over Magic), rebounds (Magic leads the way, thanks to his large frame and enormous hands), steals (simply no contest, as Paul tallies 50% more steals than Isiah and nearly twice as many as Magic) and turnovers (Paul coughs up the ball far less frequently).

Judging by this, you'd conclude Isiah's peak doesn't quite match up with those of Paul and Magic, yes? Thomas scored really well for a point guard, but Paul and Johnson are on another level, some 16% higher. The lead over Paul in assists (about 2%) in nominal, and nothing else Thomas does exceeds Paul's performance.

What about Magic and Paul ... whose statistical peak was better? The race for points is dead even. Paul averaged roughly an additional assist per game (pace-adjusted). The rebounding edge definitely favors Magic ... but Paul saves a full possession with regard to turnovers and earns almost twice as many steals. What matters more from a point guard: two extra rebounds, or an assist, 1.3 steals and 0.9 turnovers? I certainly feel comfortable giving the victory to Paul.
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I'm sick and tired of stats. Kobe is the best. Fuck the rest.
 
Minstrel said:
Chris Paul is an utterly amazing player. If he plays a normal length career at this level, he'd be up there with the likes of Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson. He's currently as good or better than Kobe was at his peak, and Kobe's off-peak now.

Paul is underrated, which is saying something considering he's regarded as a superstar.
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How can a guy who was runner-up in the MVP vote be underrated consdering his team flamed out in the playoffs with two All-Stars on the roster? Paul is overrated, IMO. He's still a top 10 player. For Pete's sake, he doubled LeBron James' point total in the MVP vote last season.
 
Minstrel said:
We're talking Buddha and you give me fortune cookies. Weak.
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:biglaugh:

A worthy adversary, I would bow if I did not have a bad back and was afraid I would not be able to rise up...

I'll learn the game, then I'll post.
 
PapaG said:
How can a guy who was runner-up in the MVP vote be underrated consdering his team flamed out in the playoffs with two All-Stars on the roster?
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I don't rate players based on the quality of their team. Paul is fantastic, I don't think the rest of his team is great. The team fell off enormously when Paul was hurt...I mean, in that Blazers game, the Hornets went from blowing Portland out to getting destroyed when Paul had to leave.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't rate players based on the quality of their team. Paul is fantastic, I don't think the rest of his team is great. The team fell off enormously when Paul was hurt...I mean, in that Blazers game, the Hornets went from blowing Portland out to getting destroyed when Paul had to leave.
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Still wondering how you consider Paul to be underrated considering he finished second in the MVP vote last season.
 
PapaG said:
Still wondering how you consider Paul to be underrated considering he finished second in the MVP vote last season.
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Because I don't think he's generally classed with James and Kobe by the fans, in general. I don't think he was underrated by the MVP vote.
 
huevonkiller said:
Why worry about Steals? That's one of the more pointless and misleading stats, I don't judge defense like that.
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This is why

http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2008/04/15/the-defense-of-chris-paul

What Paul lacks in on the ball defense due to the disadvantage in size he makes up for steals.
* An average PG steals the ball 2.0 times every 48 minutes. A posession is worth 1.04 points on average in the NBA, so an average PG takes away 2.08 points from the opposing team.

* Paul steals the ball 3.4 times every 48 minutes. A posession is worth 1.04 points on average in the NBA, so Paul's steals essentially defend 3.54 points per game.

So Paul's defense takes an additional 1.44 points per game away from the opposing team compared to an average Point Guard.

The net, is +.5 points per game in Paul's favor, and that doesn't include the fact that a steal always results in a posession change - which adds points to the stealer's team, while a forced miss only results in a posession change 70% of the time.
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Minstrel said:
Because I don't think he's generally classed with James and Kobe by the fans, in general. I don't think he was underrated by the MVP vote.
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I don't think he should be classed with James and Bryant by anybody, and his MVP placing last year overrates him OM. His team is currently 6th in the West, and again, he has another All Star playing beside him.

Oh well, I guess we disagree about it.
 
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