Brandon Roy or Damian Lillard?

[dviss1]

Yeah....uhhhhh no. Roy played matador defense most of his career and wouldn't even try to get in front of his guy.

Time makes the heart grow fonder for some people I guess

Simply not true. Only after the injuries.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Terry Porter made that team go.

He was a great on court distribute and general of the offense, but he was by no means an off the court leader like Dame, verbally or physically.
Loved Porter and he was just as good of a captain, but not a leader. Bit of a difference I think . Porter never had to deal with developing a bunch of young rooks.

 

[mook]

If we got to keep CJ I'd go for Roy. Otherwise, I'd go for Lillard. You really need an excellent three point shooter in the modern NBA. Besides, Lillard's game is just much more easy to fit other players into. He doesn't dominate the ball as much, and he spreads the floor with just the threat of his three point shot.

Damian scores a lot more, but Roy did it much more efficiently at their respective peaks:
http://www.basketball-reference.com...=roybr01&y2=2016&p2=lillada01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Of course, this question asks us to completely disregard Roy's greatest liability--health. Even in their first three seasons (when Roy was "healthy") Damian logged over 1700 more minutes in the regular seasons, scored 800 more points and racked up over 400 more assists. You can be the greatest player in the world, but if you aren't on the court you aren't doing any good.

After all the injuries Portland has endured over the years, the "Iron Man" aspect of our superstar Damian can't be so easily ignored.

 

[oldfisherman]

Lillard's game is just much more easy to fit other players into.

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I liked your post and agree with most of it. But would like to expand on the quoted topic.

I wish this was true, the CP3 affect. Not only being able play with any style of player, but as a PG, make the other players better. But so far, Dame has not done this.

Arron Afflalo played for two new teams last season. He had better stats playing next to Denver’s Ty Lawson then he had playing next to Dame. This season, Arron improved his stats playing next to NY’s Jose Calderon over his stats playing next to Dame. It appears, over the last 5+ seasons, Arron had his worst stretch of games playing next to Dame.

A similar case can be made for Gerald Henderson playing better off of Kemba Walker than next to Dame.

Harkless looks like a push so far.

 

[mook]

I liked your post and agree with most of it. But would like to expand on the quoted topic.

I wish this was true, the CP3 affect. Not only being able play with any style of player, but as a PG, make the other players better. But so far, Dame has not done this.

Arron Afflalo played for two new teams last season. He had better stats playing next to Denver’s Ty Lawson then he had playing next to Dame. This season, Arron improved his stats playing next to NY’s Jose Calderon over his stats playing next to Dame. It appears, over the last 5+ seasons, Arron had his worst stretch of games playing next to Dame.

A similar case can be made for Gerald Henderson playing better off of Kemba Walker than next to Dame.

Harkless looks like a push so far.

That's fair enough. I don't think CJ seems to play up to his potential next to him either. This is an issue for Roy as well, though. Andre Miller couldn't hit threes, so the coach was loath to put him next to Roy. Jarret Jack was a bad fit as well.

Ball-dominant guards who aren't pass-first are always going to be trickier to pair effectively, I guess. Kobe, Harden, Jordan, Iverson, Curry....a lot of them seem to maximize their potential playing beside spot up specialists in the back court.

It's why I think trading CJ is pretty much inevitable.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I think that's a bullshit notion. Roy was a MUCH better defender that Dame. Injuries turned him into a lazy defender. Before the injuries Roy was a good defender. Do you not remember the 10th game of "The Streak" when he won the game by blocking Carmelo's shot in the post?

No I don't remember that game because I was 13 and didn't have CSN at the time. I never thought of Roy as bad, I just thought of him as conservative defender as he had to expend so much energy offensively. I'm not saying he was Harden.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I liked your post and agree with most of it. But would like to expand on the quoted topic.

I wish this was true, the CP3 affect. Not only being able play with any style of player, but as a PG, make the other players better. But so far, Dame has not done this.

Arron Afflalo played for two new teams last season. He had better stats playing next to Denver’s Ty Lawson then he had playing next to Dame. This season, Arron improved his stats playing next to NY’s Jose Calderon over his stats playing next to Dame. It appears, over the last 5+ seasons, Arron had his worst stretch of games playing next to Dame.

A similar case can be made for Gerald Henderson playing better off of Kemba Walker than next to Dame.

Harkless looks like a push so far.

That's fair enough. I don't think CJ seems to play up to his potential next to him either. This is an issue for Roy as well, though. Andre Miller couldn't hit threes, so the coach was loath to put him next to Roy. Jarret Jack was a bad fit as well.

Ball-dominant guards who aren't pass-first are always going to be trickier to pair effectively, I guess. Kobe, Harden, Jordan, Iverson, Curry....a lot of them seem to maximize their potential playing beside spot up specialists in the back court.

It's why I think trading CJ is pretty much inevitable.

Wait a minute though. Thats not fair enough. BOth of fishermans reference were of players who started out playing next to Dame in out of the ordinary situations. Arron didnt come here and start next to Dame and it wasnt the intent. Wes went down and he was thrust into the starting linup and If I recall played decent until he too got injured and was never the same because he didnt fully recover before coming back on court. Henderson came to us in the middle of a hip surgery that took longer than expect to recover and because of that I think he hit the floor less than 100% as well. Hendo has looked much better now that he has got his game legs back under him. I dont think either case has anything to do with Dame elevating or deflating the players around him., but more of unusual circumstance.

I think Dame is more of a distributer at this point in his career than Roy was in his respective career. Number one reason he is easier to build around/team up with.

 

[oldfisherman]

Wait a minute though. Thats not fair enough. BOth of fishermans reference were of players who started out playing next to Dame in out of the ordinary situations. Arron didnt come here and start next to Dame and it wasnt the intent. Wes went down and he was thrust into the starting linup and If I recall played decent until he too got injured and was never the same because he didnt fully recover before coming back on court. Henderson came to us in the middle of a hip surgery that took longer than expect to recover and because of that I think he hit the floor less than 100% as well. Hendo has looked much better now that he has got his game legs back under him. I dont think either case has anything to do with Dame elevating or deflating the players around him., but more of unusual circumstance.

I think Dame is more of a distributer at this point in his career than Roy was in his respective career. Number one reason he is easier to build around/team up with.

How can you explain Batum now playing so much better with Kemba Walker than he did for 3 seasons with Dame?

How can you explain Wil Barton exploding in Denver while playing with two different PGs and struggled while playing with Dame?

Name one player that played better with Dame than he did playing with another PG.

If Dame makes other players so much better, why did all of our FA vets leave without saying goodbye last summer?

Players like to play with a pg that can make them better and help them succeed. Players love to play with CP3. Dame is great with his offense, but I am not convinced that his style of play helps to make other players better, and may even curtail their production and development.

 

[WillG]

Why do all of our old players play better at their new teams?
Two word answer:
Terry Stotts.

 

[BlayZa]

any way this could be a Roy OR CJ & Meyers type thing?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

How can you explain Batum now playing so much better with Kemba Walker than he did for 3 seasons with Dame?

How can you explain Wil Barton exploding in Denver while playing with two different PGs and struggled while playing with Dame?

Name one player that played better with Dame than he did playing with another PG.

If Dame makes other players so much better, why did all of our FA vets leave without saying goodbye last summer?

Players like to play with a pg that can make them better and help them succeed. Players love to play with CP3. Dame is great with his offense, but I am not convinced that his style of play helps to make other players better, and may even curtail their production and development.

Really dude?

This is why we can never have nice things. Some of you guys can never appreciate a great thing when you have it.

I swear to god some of you guys hate your lives SO much, that you get off to hating on the best thing the blazers have going for them.

 

[oldfisherman]

Really dude?

This is why we can never have nice things. Some of you guys can never appreciate a great thing when you have it.

I swear to god some of you guys hate your lives SO much, that you get off to hating on the best thing the blazers have going for them.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How can you explain Batum now playing so much better with Kemba Walker than he did for 3 seasons with Dame?

How can you explain Wil Barton exploding in Denver while playing with two different PGs and struggled while playing with Dame?

Batum has been given a larger role in Charlotte than he had here; same with Barton.

Name one player that played better with Dame than he did playing with another PG.

Matthews, Aldridge, and Rolo were all more productive with Dame than they have been on their new teams.

If Dame makes other players so much better, why did all of our FA vets leave without saying goodbye last summer?

Money. Lots and lots of money. Except Aldridge, who just wanted to go home.

 

[B-Roy]

I like Dame better as a person, but Roy was the better player.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

In their prime, who would you rather have for a solid 7 year, healthy, uninterrupted stint? B Roy or Dame?

While I love Damian, I still would pick Brandon for some reason. Dame has "Lillard time" but to me, B Roy still had more consistent magic. I wish he could have stuck around longer.

On this exact team (just trade Dame for Roy), with Stotts coaching, without any injuries ever, I would want Roy. That 2008-09 season was stupefying in its brilliance. And CJ/Roy would be devastating to defenses.

On the other hand, if even one of those situations (coach, injuries, team lineup) changes a little, I take Dame. He isn't as efficient as Roy was, but he brings a ton of intangibles that make him really awesome for this team.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Darius Miles!

You're so dumb. Raymond Felton was WAY better than Darius Miles.

 

[B-Roy]

On this exact team (just trade Dame for Roy), with Stotts coaching, without any injuries ever, I would want Roy. That 2008-09 season was stupefying in its brilliance. And CJ/Roy would be devastating to defenses.

On the other hand, if even one of those situations (coach, injuries, team lineup) changes a little, I take Dame. He isn't as efficient as Roy was, but he brings a ton of intangibles that make him really awesome for this team.

Look at Roy's boxscores for that season:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roybr01/gamelog/2009/

It wasn't even that long ago. I feel like a lot of people either don't remember, or weren't watching then. Roy CONTROLLED that offense. That slow paced, grind it out McMillan offense was the most efficient (either 1st or 2nd) offense in the league despite Nate having not a clue how to draw up plays. And it was pretty much because of Roy; or at least 80% Roy and 20% offensive rebounding.

 

[BBert]

I agree B-Roy. Brandon carried the team, and Nate was along for the ride.

 

[blue9]

Tough choice. I hated Roy and really like Dame. But Roy may have been the better player. Except now that Dame is becoming a better distributor (and defender) the gap is closing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

How can you explain Batum now playing so much better with Kemba Walker than he did for 3 seasons with Dame?

How can you explain Wil Barton exploding in Denver while playing with two different PGs and struggled while playing with Dame?

Name one player that played better with Dame than he did playing with another PG.

If Dame makes other players so much better, why did all of our FA vets leave without saying goodbye last summer?

Players like to play with a pg that can make them better and help them succeed. Players love to play with CP3. Dame is great with his offense, but I am not convinced that his style of play helps to make other players better, and may even curtail their production and development.

Ummm, your kidding me right?

I think you left out some blatant glaring facts. For instance, minutes played. Hw many minutes did WIll actually play with Dame?
Everyone on this planet and the moon knows that Nic is in a contract year and is now basically the number one option on his new team. How are you even trying to bring these guys up as any type of reference?

Have you not seen his assists lately? Some of the best passing in the NBA!!

Come on now.... Bring something with concrete or validity if your going to try to counter....

Want me to find a list of end of benchers that played with CP3, but moved on, got an opportunity and are now playing better, maybe because of that individuals internal growth? More minutes on the court? A team that knows how to utilize a player?

 

[Natebishop3]

Option 3: CJ McCollum!