BREAKING: CHAUNCEY BILLUPS ARRESTED BY FBI FOR ILLEGAL GAMBLING (11 Viewers)

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Great move by Billups. Tomorrow he can do an interview on Fox News and start blaming Democrats.

Trump will certainly pardon him if he goes MAGA.
 
Chris Craig said:
Let's try to keep politics in OT as much as we can. I get the overlap here.
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Acknowledged. Yes it is an odd crossover because there might be an aspect that related to Billups future. Will try to keep discussion more factual and based off only how something can directly relate to Billups.
 
Honest question: how would we feel if Chauncey was exonerated? The team would basically have to take him back.
I mean, I don't want him to be guilty but I don't want him back...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Honest question: how would we feel if Chauncey was exonerated? The team would basically have to take him back.
I mean, I don't want him to be guilty but I don't want him back...
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They can fire him without buying him out as he's breached the morals clause of his contract by association alone. The chance that he could shave points in a game is not going to weigh in his favor. He'll never coach in the NBA again. He has essentially ruined his career over card games and gambling spreads. A not guilty beyond reasonable doubt verdict is still not going to be something the league will risk over this topic. I imagine Chauncey will not be a very public figure moving forward over this as well. I do hope he avoids prison.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Honest question: how would we feel if Chauncey was exonerated? The team would basically have to take him back.
I mean, I don't want him to be guilty but I don't want him back...
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seems pretty clear the FBI has at least one wiretap where Chauncey is recorded giving a gambler inside information about changes to Portland's injury report. Setting aside the Poker charges, the relationship and actions of Billups with the gambler would be enough to get him 86'd from the NBA
 
riverman said:
They can fire him without buying him out as he's breached the morals clause of his contract by association alone. The chance that he could shave points in a game is not going to weigh in his favor. He'll never coach in the NBA again. He has essentially ruined his career over card games and gambling spreads. A not guilty beyond reasonable doubt verdict is still not going to be something the league will risk over this topic. I imagine Chauncey will not be a very public figure moving forward over this as well. I do hope he avoids prison.
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I would almost guarantee that we would have to prove, not beyond a reasonable doubt but still by a preponderance of evidence that he is guilty of crimes. There's no way that the morals clause includes guilt by accusation. or association.

He'll either be found guilty, our team will come to a payout agreement with him or we'll bring him back.

I doubt we'll bring him back but unlike a lot of you, I still like him as head coach. I find no compelling evidence to suggest that we're running schemes that Chauncey himself didn't implement. I find it very likely that the success that the team is enjoying are the fruits of Chauncey's labor not because he's been away from the team for eight days.
 
blazerkor said:
I would almost guarantee that we would have to prove, not beyond a reasonable doubt but still by a preponderance of evidence that he is guilty of crimes. There's no way that the morals clause includes guilt by accusation. or association.

He'll either be found guilty, our team will come to a payout agreement with him or we'll bring him back.

I doubt we'll bring him back but unlike a lot of you, I still like him as head coach. I find no compelling evidence to suggest that we're running schemes that Chauncey himself didn't implement. I find it very likely that the success that the team is enjoying are the fruits of Chauncey's labor not because he's been away from the team for eight days.
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Knowing Chauncey, if acquitted, I wouldn't be surprised if he stepped down on his own to avoid the distraction for the team. I don't think he'll get any buyout money. I think people said the same thing about Mark Jackson getting fired in Oakland for Kerr...Jackson had them playing defense and Kerr picked up where he left off and with a roster Jackson molded.
 
riverman said:
They can fire him without buying him out as he's breached the morals clause of his contract by association alone. The chance that he could shave points in a game is not going to weigh in his favor. He'll never coach in the NBA again. He has essentially ruined his career over card games and gambling spreads. A not guilty beyond reasonable doubt verdict is still not going to be something the league will risk over this topic. I imagine Chauncey will not be a very public figure moving forward over this as well. I do hope he avoids prison.
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I already said a couple times. He is done because of the court of public opinion.

No one listens to me…
 
blazerkor said:
I would almost guarantee that we would have to prove, not beyond a reasonable doubt but still by a preponderance of evidence that he is guilty of crimes. There's no way that the morals clause includes guilt by accusation. or association.

He'll either be found guilty, our team will come to a payout agreement with him or we'll bring him back.

I doubt we'll bring him back but unlike a lot of you, I still like him as head coach. I find no compelling evidence to suggest that we're running schemes that Chauncey himself didn't implement. I find it very likely that the success that the team is enjoying are the fruits of Chauncey's labor not because he's been away from the team for eight days.
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how many more games will we win because Billups isn’t pulling players early for mysterious reasons?
 
blazerkor said:
I doubt we'll bring him back but unlike a lot of you, I still like him as head coach. I find no compelling evidence to suggest that we're running schemes that Chauncey himself didn't implement. I find it very likely that the success that the team is enjoying are the fruits of Chauncey's labor not because he's been away from the team for eight days.
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I like Billups as a person.
I do NOT like him as a coach.

We've had 4 years of watching his coaching style. Not a whole lot has changed over that time.

This preseason & game 1, we saw a vastly different playing style. Arguing that these schemes are Billup's doing rings a bit hollow.... Given the fact that we haven't seen much change in Games 2-4, I would say that the change in style is primarily due to Tiago (and maybe St Andrews).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Honest question: how would we feel if Chauncey was exonerated? The team would basically have to take him back.
I mean, I don't want him to be guilty but I don't want him back...
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There is no requirement to take him back...
Blazers may have to pay him for the remaining years on his contract -> but I highly doubt he ever coaches the Blazers again.
IMO, the most likely option is that Blazers & Billups agree to a buy-out where Billups gets some of the money due on his contract, but not all of it.
 
blazerkor said:
He'll either be found guilty, our team will come to a payout agreement with him or we'll bring him back.
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I think that's a wild assumption. Forget what he's been indicted for in the Poker scandal. Set the wire fraud and money laundering charges aside

you're ignoring that the FBI has wiretap evidence that Billups gave inside information about Portland's injury report to a gambler (unindicted co-conspirator #8). That itself is disqualifying, not only for the Blazers, but for the NBA as well. I'd say it's nearly certain Dundon isn't ever going to bring him back.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think that's a wild assumption. Forget what he's been indicted for in the Poker scandal. Set the wire fraud and money laundering charges aside

you're ignoring that the FBI has wiretap evidence that Billups gave inside information about Portland's injury report to a gambler (unindicted co-conspirator #8). That itself is disqualifying, not only for the Blazers, but for the NBA as well. I'd say it's nearly certain Dundon isn't ever going to bring him back.
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Its wild people focus on the rigged poker game but not the actual NBA gambling fixing. Blows my mind they continue to just not take it into consideration for, oh I dont, the NBA job he use to have.
 
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