BREAKING: CHAUNCEY BILLUPS ARRESTED BY FBI FOR ILLEGAL GAMBLING (3 Viewers)

[Pinwheel1]

Its wild people focus on the rigged poker game but not the actual NBA gambling fixing. Blows my mind they continue to just not take it into consideration for, oh I dont, the NBA job he use to have.

Remind me how he fixed a game? Was it letting the mob know we were tanking?

 

[Strenuus]

Remind me how he fixed a game? Was it letting the mob know we were tanking?

Fixing isnt the right word. Giving privileged information for bettors.

Still indefensible.

 

[crandc]

Even if acquitted I can't see him returning. Even if Blazers have to buy him out.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Fixing isnt the right word. Giving privileged information for bettors.

Still indefensible.

I am just trying to clarify what he did to see if he has any type of defense. I assume it is damaging, but I think I am missing a key piece.
Letting someone know they are sitting a player, a few hours earlier than the rest of us, does not seem to be very privileged. We generally know who is sitting out well before the games start. Was it a late scratch?

 

[blazerkor]

I think that's a wild assumption. Forget what he's been indicted for in the Poker scandal. Set the wire fraud and money laundering charges aside

you're ignoring that the FBI has wiretap evidence that Billups gave inside information about Portland's injury report to a gambler (unindicted co-conspirator #8). That itself is disqualifying, not only for the Blazers, but for the NBA as well. I'd say it's nearly certain Dundon isn't ever going to bring him back.

You clipped my post. I was just pointing out that there will be a burden of proof that the team will have to meet if the government doesn't do it for them, in order to get out of paying Chauncey. It's a lower bar than beyond reasonable doubt, it's a preponderance of evidence.

I think if he's found not guilty, the most likely thing to happen will be a buyout. I doubt Chauncey or the team will have any appetite for a drawn out litigation should he be found not guilty. As people have pointed out that is highly unlikely after being indicted at the federal level... something like 10 to 1 odds of being found not guilty.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Even if acquitted I can't see him returning. Even if Blazers have to buy him out.

I kind of hope the NBA forces our hand on this. The players and coaches love him. I would not want management to have to make that decision if he is acquitted. Especially a new owner.

 

[Strenuus]

I am just trying to clarify what he did to see if he has any type of defense. I assume it is damaging, but I think I am missing a key piece.
Letting someone know they are sitting a player, a few hours earlier than the rest of us, does not seem to be very privileged. We generally know who is sitting out well before the games start. Was it a late scratch?

I think its more detailed than that, I just cant remember. I do know its very damning, im just at work so cant dig back into it.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[blazerfan11]

I am just trying to clarify what he did to see if he has any type of defense. I assume it is damaging, but I think I am missing a key piece.
Letting someone know they are sitting a player, a few hours earlier than the rest of us, does not seem to be very privileged. We generally know who is sitting out well before the games start. Was it a late scratch?

The Blazers had a very nice win in Utah the game before.
Then suddenly Nurkic and Lillard are sitting for the home game against Chicago which they lost 124 to 96.

 

[andalusian]

The Blazers had a very nice win in Utah the game before.
Then suddenly Nurkic and Lillard are sitting for the home game against Chicago which they lost 124 to 96.

Ugh ugh, the blazers just had a nice win in utah. If splitter sits dame we will know he is on the take as well...

 

[Everything Beagle]

Whoa when did Chuck lose all the weight? He looks like a serious intellectual now

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Everything Beagle]

Step one in mechanizing referees and replacing them with robots.

 

[wizenheimer]

You clipped my post. I was just pointing out that there will be a burden of proof that the team will have to meet if the government doesn't do it for them, in order to get out of paying Chauncey. It's a lower bar than beyond reasonable doubt, it's a preponderance of evidence.

I think if he's found not guilty, the most likely thing to happen will be a buyout. I doubt Chauncey or the team will have any appetite for a drawn out litigation should he be found not guilty. As people have pointed out that is highly unlikely after being indicted at the federal level... something like 10 to 1 odds of being found not guilty.

as I understand it his salary will be going into an escrow account until the dust settles....but, I'd be willing to bet that the morals clause of his contract includes language about giving inside information about Blazer injuries to a gambler

 

[julius]

as I understand it his salary will be going into an escrow account until the dust settles....but, I'd be willing to bet that the morals clause of his contract includes language about giving inside information about Blazer injuries to a gambler

I thought CB's contract wasn't in escrow, but the guy who is in the NBA now has his salary in escrow. I thought the implication was that CB was not getting the money.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

You clipped my post. I was just pointing out that there will be a burden of proof that the team will have to meet if the government doesn't do it for them, in order to get out of paying Chauncey. It's a lower bar than beyond reasonable doubt, it's a preponderance of evidence.

I think if he's found not guilty, the most likely thing to happen will be a buyout. I doubt Chauncey or the team will have any appetite for a drawn out litigation should he be found not guilty. As people have pointed out that is highly unlikely after being indicted at the federal level... something like 10 to 1 odds of being found not guilty.

The Blazers don't have to provide a preponderance of evidence. Your mixing up legal terms.

Solely being arrested itself may be enough for the Blazers to get out of paying Chauncey. Do you see NBA head coaches normally arrested by the FBI?

His legal case with the government is separate from the Blazers having to pay his contract.

Most likely either case will ultimately be settled far earlier than a trial.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

as I understand it his salary will be going into an escrow account until the dust settles....but, I'd be willing to bet that the morals clause of his contract includes language about giving inside information about Blazer injuries to a gambler

I highly doubt that. The morals clause wouldn't normally be so detailed nor so specific.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I thought CB's contract wasn't in escrow, but the guy who is in the NBA now has his salary in escrow. I thought the implication was that CB was not getting the money.

CB salary is in escrow too. Anything different would be very unusual and possibly hurt the Blazers position until a resolution is finalized.

Thread 'Billups won't be paid while on leave'

Wednesday at 9:47 AM

Sources: Rozier, Billups won't be paid on leave

Heat guard Terry Rozier and Trail Blazers coach Chauncey Billups will not be paid while on leaves of absence from their teams, sources told ESPN's Shams Charania.

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"Sources: Rozier, Billups won't be paid while on leave"

"Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier and Portland Trail Blazers coach Chauncey Billups will not be paid while on leaves of absence from their teams because of federal charges related to gambling, sources told ESPN's Shams Charania.

Both of their paychecks are expected to be withheld and placed in escrow, pending the outcome of FBI cases, per sources.

Rozier's salary is about $26.6 million this season, paid in installments.

If Rozier is cleared and...

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