BREAKING NEWS: McCain picks Gov. Sarah Palin!!!

[porky88]

I really don't see how a VP is going to do so much to swing women anyway. If a women was headlining the ticket, then I could see it. VP is a subordinate role, chosen only by the Presidential candidate. If women were actually voting on who a VP would be, it might very well not be the one that McCain picked.

In 84 Reagan/Bush won the the women vote over Mondale/Ferraro so this doesn't guarantee anything.

Most Hillary Supporters have been Hillary backers for along time. They were Clinton fans. This women is new. She could prove to be very good but I already am fairly certain that Biden and Obama are going to leave it up to Hillary to go after her on issues.

Say what you want about Biden but anyone who watched the earlier debates know he's a good debater. During the VP debate, I don't see him going after her that day. I see him going after McCain and forcing her to defend McCain.

Can she do that because in the end people are going to vote for the president, not the vp.

EDIT: lol like you said in the post above.

 

[cpawfan]

Marketing, marketing, marketing

This face wasn't going to attract voters

 

[The Return of the Raider]

Most Hillary Supporters have been Hillary backers for along time. They were Clinton fans. This women is new. She could prove to be very good but I already am fairly certain that Biden and Obama are going to leave it up to Hillary to go after her on issues.

EDIT: lol like you said in the post above.

Right. The women on Hillary's side have probably never even heard of this chick before today, and they certainly don't agree with her on the issues. You guys are looking at this with a lot of wishful thinking, and assuming that her gender is going to have an enormous impact on the eventual outcome.

 

[cpawfan]

Guys, the VP mean nothing in this respect. Neither VP does. It's all about the President. The VP is just a tool for them, or an advisor. Like Denny pointed out when he mentioned a McCain/Hillary ticket, the VP can be "frozen out" if the administration chooses to do that. VP's have no real juice, and that's why you hear that women are insulted that Obama would let Hillary ride in the backseat of his Presidency.

It is about manipulating the sheep.

Yes, the VP can be frozen out of having any real power once elected, but both parties clearly picked VP's for marketing reasons.

Sound bites and marketing are that matter. Real issues are for the literati.

 

[porky88]

Marketing, marketing, marketing

This face wasn't going to attract voters

I would assume an attractive woman vp would be something that would interest men. McCain has the men vote in the bag already. Woman are going to care about the issues.

She helps the conservative base more than anything. In fact she excites the conservative base. McCain had his base already but they weren't passionate about his candidacy.. Now they have a reason to be but in the end a passionate vote and a reluctant voter still count the same.

 

[Real]

Reagan had like a approval rating that was pushing 60%. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Mondale really have a chance that year?

I wouldn't know I was born four years later, that's why I'm asking.

 

[porky88]

Reagan had like a approval rating that was pushing 60%. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Mondale really have a chance that year?

I wouldn't know I was born four years later, that's why I'm asking.

I wasn't born either but I know Reagan was one of the most popular presidents we've seen but my point was woman aren't going to vote for her because she's a woman. There is more to it than that.

 

[cpawfan]

Reagan had like a approval rating that was pushing 60%. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Mondale really have a chance that year?

I wouldn't know I was born four years later, that's why I'm asking.

Zero chance which is why he swung for the fences by selecting her to be his VP

 

[cpawfan]

I would assume an attractive woman vp would be something that would interest men. McCain has the men vote in the bag already. Woman are going to care about the issues.

She helps the conservative base more than anything. In fact she excites the conservative base. McCain had his base already but they weren't passionate about his candidacy.. Now they have a reason to be but in the end a passionate vote and a reluctant voter still count the same.

This is about the sheep, not the people that care about the issues. Not all woman are going to care about the issues nor were all men going to vote for McCain

 

[Real]

18 million cracks in the ceiling.

That ceiling might be smashed just yet. Just not by Hillary.

 

[TheBeef]

There is a large populous of woman that dont care about the issues but want a woman in power....they will now vote for McCain.....I will vote for McCain now because of her....until today, I had no horse in this race, now I do....If I had the choice, Id vote for her for president....

 

[porky88]

This is about the sheep, not the people that care about the issues. Not all woman are going to care about the issues nor were all men going to vote for McCain

McCain, last I saw was up among men with a big margin and he was already going to win that vote. Obviously not everyone from a respective background is going to vote one way. What I meant was she being attractive really isn't going to make much of a difference. Not enough to swing the election in his favor.

Beef is my example here. I read his posts on the barber shop forum we used to have. He's a conservative. He's excited because of her. That's the type of people she's going to get more than anything.

 

[cpawfan]

McCain, last I saw was up among men with a big margin and he was already going to win that vote. Obviously not everyone from a respective background is going to vote one way. What I meant was she being attractive really isn't going to make much of a difference. Not enough to swing the election in his favor.

Beef is my example here. I read his posts on the barber shop forum we used to have. He's a conservative. He's excited because of her. That's the type of people she's going to get more than anything.

18-24 year old males that don't care about the issues will vote for the MILF if marketed properly and the GOP needs help in that area.

 

[Thoth]

Barry as in Barry Obama, the name he used when he was white....

As far as I know he's always been half & half.

Here we go again.... Neocon/Republican/social conservative/whatever playing the race card & dragging things to the lowest common denominator.

The Rush O'Hannity kool aid drinking types just can't let any election be about ideas... they have to get personal. I just can't wait to see what emotional wedge issues these knuckleheads dredge up to try & obfuscate the bigger picture.

 

[Thoth]

18 million cracks in the ceiling.

That ceiling might be smashed just yet. Just not by Hillary.

Mrs. Palin has made it as far as Geraldine Ferraro.... lets not count chickens yet.

 

[huevonkiller]

Interesting move by McCain. I thought picking a women would be smart even though this broad's views are different than most Hillary women. Like someone else said, voters are dumb sheep. Especially so with the Hillary cult. I've seen some of them interviewed on CNN, MSNBC, etc. and they basically use no logic and seem like the most selfish people I've ever laid eyes on. They don't care if Obama is virtually the same candidate as Hillary but with black skin and a pair of balls, they don't care that Obama and Biden are "the most pro-feminism ticket in the history of America". Even when reporters grill them about how their takes on the issues align directly with Obama's and McCain's are quite different they still say they don't want to vote for Obama.

IMO this goes further into the major problem with Democrats as well; they don't know how to win. They're not team players. They have no killer instinct (except the Clintons). Picking Biden is the safe pick, its playing not to lose, it seems so typically Democrat. Now a lot of Democrats are getting their panties in a bunch because they want Hillary and if they don't get it they're going to whine and bitch and not vote. Shit, look at the Republicans- all of the right wing neo conservatives hate this McCain's fuggin guts but they're still going to get behind him to win the damn presidency. Now McCain makes a bit of a risky move but it could pay off big time. Hes playing to win IMO. The Republicans are going to cheat, steal, rape, pillage, the whole way through the election and while its annoying as hell its effective. Once again I don't think the Democrats have the grapes to do anything similar which is respectable but they're justm aking it harder on themselves.

I'd like to think Obama will win because it seems like as the election gets closer I'm leaning more and more toward him but to me it just looks like the same old dumbass democrat looking for ways to screw up the election. He could have sent a big time "fuck you guys I'm taking this shit" if he chose Hillary. Granted picking Hillary has potential downside but IMO thats a move that shows you're playing to win and you want to tear the fucking head of this election. If he wanted to avoid having the Clinton's over his shoulder while he was president I can understand that but like Herm Edwards said; "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!". Obama is playing not to lose and he just keeps giving McCain chances to keep the election close when it should not be remotely close.

I have to agree completely, Obama dropped the ball on this issue. Hillary could have ended this, and I don't buy that she would have taken down Obama.

Politics is a disgusting game of pandering, and by no means was this Palin chick the best VP available. At least Biden has much more experience than her and is probably more qualified in my eyes, so what the hell is McCain going to say now about Experience? Biden isn't a change candidate, but he's at least seasoned and concurs with Obama's overall views.

Palin is a dirty VP pick to me, but it will be an effective choice (to a degree I guess).

 

[The Return of the Raider]

Mrs. Palin has made it as far as Geraldine Ferraro.... lets not count chickens yet.

Again, VP's are picked by the candidates, not elected. Mrs. Palin didn't set out to run for VP, she was offered the job out of the blue - appointed. Meanwhile, John McCain and his camp have been doing all the work, and spending millions to get him to this point. The VP's only have to focus on the final few months, while McCain has been busy on this project for years. In my opinion, Hillary and Palin need to get past Obama and McCain to truly say that they have put cracks in the ceiling. A nomination for their party's presidency would do that.

 

[Run BJM]

I have to agree completely, Obama dropped the ball on this issue. Hillary could have ended this, and I don't buy that she would have taken down Obama.

Politics is a disgusting game of pandering, and by no means was this Palin chick the best VP available. At least Biden has much more experience than her and is probably more qualified in my eyes, so what the hell is McCain going to say now about Experience? Biden isn't a change candidate, but he's at least seasoned and concurs with Obama's overall views.

Palin is a dirty VP pick to me, but it will be an effective choice (to a degree I guess).

Yeah its kind of hard to understand this VP pick. It does have benefits- try to get pissed off ex-hippie women to vote for McCain, she seems like a real hard core conservative being 100% anti-abortion, long time NRA member, etc. On the other hand when you heard of her you think "who the hell is that?". There were plenty of women republicans out there, why did he take this one who is unknown and relatively inexperienced? There must have been more qualified female candidates out there.

Anyone else think part of this is to steal back more media attention? McCain picks this chick who no ones ever heard of and shes a MILF. Its only been a few hours since we've known and there's already a huge buzz around her because shes attractive (lord knows America loves a MILF). I think this pick will ensure more media attention because sex does sell and she'll get media attention for sure.

http://www.vpilf.com/

This will be interesting LOL. BTW check out this video from last year on the Craig Fergeson show;


Lol at him calling her a sexy librarian type. Now every dude in America is going nuts over her.

 

[Real]

As far as I know he's always been half & half.

Here we go again.... Neocon/Republican/social conservative/whatever playing the race card & dragging things to the lowest common denominator.

The Rush O'Hannity kool aid drinking types just can't let any election be about ideas... they have to get personal. I just can't wait to see what emotional wedge issues these knuckleheads dredge up to try & obfuscate the bigger picture.

LOL the McCain campaign didn't bring race into this campaign. Barack Obama did.

 

[TheBeef]

Porky speaks the truth, I am a proud conservative and I love the choice....anyone wanna know why? Because she is the United States....she came from modest beginings, born to professional educators, with all the monetary restrictions that comes with, she played a high school sport, she put her self through college by earning a scholarship, she worked in her field of study, she married her high school sweetheart, she built a nice family, she starter her political career on a town council, later becoming the mayor, and then the governer of her state, shes still married to that man, her son is an infantryman....this is all american dream type stuff....shes done it for herself....her approval rating in Alaska is 80%.....she doesnt just talk the talk, shes walked the walk....she is a real american idol....and when shes sworn in, I will be as proud as ever to be an american....

 

[TheBeef]

A real life American Idol

 

[huevonkiller]

Porky speaks the truth, I am a proud conservative and I love the choice....anyone wanna know why? Because she is the United States....she came from modest beginings, born to professional educators, with all the monetary restrictions that comes with, she played a high school sport, she put her self through college by earning a scholarship, she worked in her field of study, she married her high school sweetheart, she built a nice family, she starter her political career on a town council, later becoming the mayor, and then the governer of her state, shes still married to that man, her son is an infantryman....this is all american dream type stuff....shes done it for herself....her approval rating in Alaska is 80%.....she doesnt just talk the talk, shes walked the walk....she is a real american idol....and when shes sworn in, I will be as proud as ever to be an american....

Welll, Obama has the American dream down just as well.

 

[Run BJM]

Porky speaks the truth, I am a proud conservative and I love the choice....anyone wanna know why? Because she is the United States....she came from modest beginings, born to professional educators, with all the monetary restrictions that comes with, she played a high school sport, she put her self through college by earning a scholarship, she worked in her field of study, she married her high school sweetheart, she built a nice family, she starter her political career on a town council, later becoming the mayor, and then the governer of her state, shes still married to that man, her son is an infantryman....this is all american dream type stuff....shes done it for herself....her approval rating in Alaska is 80%.....she doesnt just talk the talk, shes walked the walk....she is a real american idol....and when shes sworn in, I will be as proud as ever to be an american....

Kind of like Barack? Maybe that's what they're going for- a candidate that represents the "American dream" or the typical middle class American since thats what Obama is pushing lately.

She could draw in the "mother vote" because I think mothers will respect how she's a working mom with 5 kids, one down syndrome child, etc. She is, however, completely against abortion in any circumstance, I've heard she wants to make schools teach creationism but dunno if thats a legit claim or not. She was governer of Alaska which is nice but thats governing over a smaller population than Memphis. I think this will end up being huge because Obama's people are going to say "When McCain kicks the bucket while in office do we want this chick running the country?"

 

[huevonkiller]

Kind of like Barack? Maybe that's what they're going for- a candidate that represents the "American dream" or the typical middle class American since thats what Obama is pushing lately.

She could draw in the "mother vote" because I think mothers will respect how she's a working mom with 5 kids, one down syndrome child, etc. She is, however, completely against abortion in any circumstance, I've heard she wants to make schools teach creationism but dunno if thats a legit claim or not. She was governer of Alaska which is nice but thats governing over a smaller population than Memphis. I think this will end up being huge because Obama's people are going to say "When McCain kicks the bucket while in office do we want this chick running the country?"

I do think the excitement over this VP selection will wane, but it is that initial bump that scares me.

 

[cpawfan]

Saw this today from CatholicCity's periodic email

NOTE: None of this represents my opinion

We are certain you know by now that Senator McCain has chosen Sarah Palin, a mother of five, as his running mate. Governor Palin's fifth child has Down's Syndrome, a condition of which she was well aware before her child was born in April. Regardless of your political affiliation, Catholics everywhere should take heart that this truly pro-life mom will play such a prominent role in the presidential race. Hundreds of millions of people around the world will learn about her fifth child.

Is it a coincidence that her vice-presidential candidacy was announced on August 28, the Feast of Saint Augustine, the man who most famously rejected a deep-seated lifestyle of fornication? St. Augustine (and the Catholic Church) pointedly honored his mother, St. Monica, whose intercession, patience, and holiness fostered his difficult conversion. St. Monica's feast day was yesterday, August 27. We would all do well to ask for her and her son's intercession for God's will to be manifest during the presidential election.

CatholiCity Citizens do not need our advice on how to vote, and we have never endorsed a particular candidate. Our role here is spiritual, and you can rest assured that we will continue with our practice of inviting you to pray with each other for the United States, especially during election time.

 

[soul driver]

I believe her approval rating dropped to 65% actually, but it was at one point 80%.
it's sad. I'm calling this the "MTV race" because looks haven't been this important since the Kennedy/Nixon debates. This one is increasingly more about man vs woman, black vs. white, old vs new. Both the candidates and vps from both parties are mirrors of each other almost (not in their views on things, but appearance/aesthetic wise) , it makes me sick.
bah. I'm on way way out anyway.

 

[Real]

Catholic officials aren't supposed to be political, and really they aren't.

At the same time, they're not too thrilled with pro-choice, pro-oppressive government, pro-gay, pro-embryonic stem cell research candidates that ignore the positions Catholic Church.

That's not to say Republicans aren't much of a better option, considering they're pro-death penalty, and questions regarding the just war theory and the Iraq war (though I don't think there were any violations), but they fight for most of the principals of the Church.

 

[GMJ]

You guys think she's hot? :-/

 

[DennisRodman]

You guys think she's hot? :-/

Hotter than Dick Cheney! (even though in the pic he has awesome boobs)

 

[Real]

You guys think she's hot? :-/

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