Breaking News: Oregon high school student-athletes to profit off their name, image and likeness

[THE HCP]

Dudes really out there asking other parents what their kids GPA’s are during the soccer matches.

I can totally see it. “Hey, You probably already know me, I’m Blazers videographer … Does your kid play for the other team? What’s their IQ? Do you know the other kids’ IQ’s?”

Then he goes and sits down next to someone else.

They got recognized by the city council last fall for winning state….i didn’t know about the GPA thing until that night….as soon as they announced 3.99, @THE HCP was already on the case, giving other dad’s dirty looks trying to find out who the dumb kid in class was!!!!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Dudes really out there asking other parents what their kids GPA’s are during the soccer matches.

I can totally see it. “Hey, You probably already know me, I’m Blazers videographer … Does your kid play for the other team? What’s their IQ? Do you know the other kids’ IQ’s?”

Then he goes and sits down next to someone else.

Mrs @THE HCP tells him to do that so he isn't standing next to her the entire game.

 

[THE HCP]

I'm not sure how this will play out as far as recruiting athletes to high schools, but the biggest issue I see is coachability. Imagine an immature kid, and perhaps even worse, hovering parents, obsessing over their marketability and how the coach is handling his or her playing time. Yikes.

At least with college scholarship opportunities, that's a distant object that's difficult to measure. NIL stuff will be staring them in the face, with potentially daily reminders of how they're doing in all the areas coaches don't care about.

So, nowadays, besides football….all the college recruiting happens basically at the club level. There are no scouts coming to HS events. There are maybe a few for baseball pitchers, but football is it. The student/athletes that are headed to the next level, are being scouted elsewhere if that makes sense. I don’t think this will add additional pressures on the HS coach. They don’t give a shit if they have a player on their squad with an NIL deal. Maybe at Jesuit where it’s a college type environment already.
Central Catholic and Jesuit are the only schools paying players, have been for decades.
I can tell you that only 7.1% of HS age girls soccer players go on to play in college. Of that 2% go on to play at the D1 level.

And people need to remember, they have to be pretty dialed athletes to even get a companies attention!

This will be neighborhood, small mom and pop type sponsorship. Nothing that will lead to a pit of despair and depression or suicide like that one guy was speaking on.

There is a sophomore hooper somewhere around here that’s like the #1 girls hooper in her class in the country….she might get some play.

 

[wizenheimer]

so, let me get it straight: it's not OK for an 18 year old high school kid to sign a $50,000 endorsement deal; but it's OK for a 19 year old to sign a 30M rookie scale deal in the NBA?

what a difference a year makes

 

[SlyPokerDog]

so, let me get it straight: it's not OK for an 18 year old high school kid to sign a $50,000 endorsement deal; but it's OK for a 19 year old to sign a 30M rookie scale deal in the NBA?

what a difference a year makes

I'll buy your NIL rights for $5.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So, nowadays, besides football….all the college recruiting happens basically at the club level. There are no scouts coming to HS events. There are maybe a few for baseball pitchers, but football is it. The student/athletes that are headed to the next level, are being scouted elsewhere if that makes sense. I don’t think this will add additional pressures on the HS coach. They don’t give a shit if they have a player on their squad with an NIL deal. Maybe at Jesuit where it’s a college type environment already.
Central Catholic and Jesuit are the only schools paying players, have been for decades.
I can tell you that only 7.1% of HS age girls soccer players go on to play in college. Of that 2% go on to play at the D1 level.

And people need to remember, they have to be pretty dialed athletes to even get a companies attention!

This will be neighborhood, small mom and pop type sponsorship. Nothing that will lead to a pit of despair and depression or suicide like that one guy was speaking on.

There is a sophomore hooper somewhere around here that’s like the #1 girls hooper in her class in the country….she might get some play.

Last year at a middle school track event my son was working, I saw this 6th grader who absolutely dusted everyone else in every race she was in, putting up high-school-caliber times. Her mom was standing next to us as we were marveling at her talent, telling us she's ranked #2 in the nation for her age group. I could absolutely see someone like that getting endorsements even in middle school--no social media involved. IMO, as long as the parents aren't exploiting them, I have no problem with that, especially if they get to be involved and learn some of the ins-and-outs of the business side of their sport.

 

[Shaboid]

I'm okay with this, and maybe it should be the kids/parents decision, but if I was the parent of one of these gifted athletes I would want any proceeds to be put in a saving account for either college or saved until they turn 18 or something. Idk. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I have no idea what I just read. I’ve seen that doc twice, what about it? I’ve also seen JFK.

just responding out of respect, but im going to bow out of this convo.
That doc was extremely insightful to me as to how social media, our youth and the need for them to have attention is impacting emotional stability. I think its extremely relevant to this thread topic.
Thats all.
I apologize if i am not able to explain my opinions to the satisfaction of you other posters here.

 

[PDXFonz]

So, nowadays, besides football….all the college recruiting happens basically at the club level. There are no scouts coming to HS events. There are maybe a few for baseball pitchers, but football is it. The student/athletes that are headed to the next level, are being scouted elsewhere if that makes sense. I don’t think this will add additional pressures on the HS coach. They don’t give a shit if they have a player on their squad with an NIL deal. Maybe at Jesuit where it’s a college type environment already.
Central Catholic and Jesuit are the only schools paying players, have been for decades.
I can tell you that only 7.1% of HS age girls soccer players go on to play in college. Of that 2% go on to play at the D1 level.

And people need to remember, they have to be pretty dialed athletes to even get a companies attention!

This will be neighborhood, small mom and pop type sponsorship. Nothing that will lead to a pit of despair and depression or suicide like that one guy was speaking on.

There is a sophomore hooper somewhere around here that’s like the #1 girls hooper in her class in the country….she might get some play.

Exciting for your kid. Would be awesome if she got to play for the USA WNST one day. If she can be successful at the next level that’s one step closer.

Good on her for focusing on school. Even if she isn’t starting on the top D1 team. That’s an even smaller %… But there’s a dude from Weber State who would probably be the first to say that if you work hard and show you can compete at a high level with those players, things can still work out in your favor.

45 goals in 67 APPS
Played for USWNST U20 her Sophmore year at Cal Berkley.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Morgan

 

[THE HCP]

Last year at a middle school track event my son was working, I saw this 6th grader who absolutely dusted everyone else in every race she was in, putting up high-school-caliber times. Her mom was standing next to us as we were marveling at her talent, telling us she's ranked #2 in the nation for her age group. I could absolutely see someone like that getting endorsements even in middle school--no social media involved. IMO, as long as the parents aren't exploiting them, I have no problem with that, especially if they get to be involved and learn some of the ins-and-outs of the business side of their sport.

Exactly, what a great learning experience. Now, there are going to be those nutjob parent out there looking to get over on people using their kid….. But they’ve ALWAYS been out there and always will. At least the kids out there who are putting in the work can get recognized for it.

 

[THE HCP]

I'm okay with this, and maybe it should be the kids/parents decision, but if I was the parent of one of these gifted athletes I would want any proceeds to be put in a saving account for either college or saved until they turn 18 or something. Idk. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Great idea, or how about they can apply that to the kids gym/trainer costs…..because if these kids are in the running for NIL deals, 99% are working their asses off and somebody has been paying for it.

 

[THE HCP]

just responding out of respect, but im going to bow out of this convo.
That doc was extremely insightful to me as to how social media, our youth and the need for them to have attention is impacting emotional stability. I think its extremely relevant to this thread topic.
Thats all.
I apologize if i am not able to explain my opinions to the satisfaction of you other posters here.

You have no reason to apologize. I’ve seen it. Full of information. But as a parent who is there for his kids EVERYDAY, this just doesn’t apply here. I will ask again, do you I have kids and are you around them to see how they are interacting in the social media world? Just curious.

 

[THE HCP]

Exciting for your kid. Would be awesome if she got to play for the USA NWST one day. If she can be successful at the next level that’s one step closer.

Good on her for focusing on school. Even if she isn’t starting on the top D1 team. That’s an even smaller %… But there’s a dude from Weber State who would probably be the first to say that if you work hard and show you can compete at a high level with those players, things can still work out in your favor.

Thanks brother. Funny you said that about Dame. When we were catching up the other day he asked if she had committed yet, I told her she is going to the University of San Francisco and he gave me a dirty look and asked why she couldn’t have gone somewhere in Oakland!?! HA!

 

[THE HCP]

Exciting for your kid. Would be awesome if she got to play for the USA WNST one day. If she can be successful at the next level that’s one step closer.

Good on her for focusing on school. Even if she isn’t starting on the top D1 team. That’s an even smaller %… But there’s a dude from Weber State who would probably be the first to say that if you work hard and show you can compete at a high level with those players, things can still work out in your favor.

45 goals in 67 APPS
Played for USWNST U20 her Sophmore year at Cal Berkley.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Morgan

Yeah, she is majoring in Kinesiology. They have a fantastic science department. When she was a freshman, she made the region 4 national team. There are 4 regions in the US….she decided it was taking away from her team here. Did some training with them and loved it though. Went a different direction though, not in the system anymore, but she is very happy with where she is. Who knows.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

You have no reason to apologize. I’ve seen it. Full of information. But as a parent who is there for his kids EVERYDAY, this just doesn’t apply here. I will ask again, do you I have kids and are you around them to see how they are interacting in the social media world? Just curious.

i have 3 nephews and four nieces and i see how addicted they are to their phones and social media first hand. Its an addiction. I blame their parents more than the children, but the children are the ones affected.
A good parent, like you for example, would explain and help your child to better understand everything a out social media influences. Unfortunately i believe quality parents like yourself are an extreme minority.

I will say this. Athletes might not be as… influenced by social media, as athletes tend to be a bit stronger emotionally than the average child it seems. So maybe that wont impact them as much, simply because the competition of sports has already formed them a bit to be ready for disappointment.
However i feel strongly that our youth are unhealthily concerned about their image more than ever before and there have been studies that show how teen suicide and depression has increased with the advent of social media. The graphs align, as you know from watching the social dilemma.
Putting two and two together, its hard for me to not see how that will expand the percentage of youth who are having emotional stability issues.
I appreciate the mutual respect from you, but I really should bow out of this convo.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'll buy your NIL rights for $5.

I'm not that cheap of a date

 

[handiman]

So, nowadays, besides football….all the college recruiting happens basically at the club level.

That's incredibly inaccurate, when taking all the sports into account.

Regardless, it's about the athlete/parents' perception of value gained from their situation with the team, not the recruiting itself, that will lead them to drive more coaches nutty. I kinda already spelled that out, though, differentiating between the immediate feedback of NIL and the murky future of college scholarships.

 

[THE HCP]

That's incredibly inaccurate, when taking all the sports into account.

Basketball is scouted at the AAU level. Track at the club level. Soccer as well. Occasionally a scout comes and watches pitchers in HS. What is inaccurate?

 

[THE HCP]

I’m sorry “INCREDIBLY INACCURATE “

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[handiman]

Basketball is scouted at the AAU level. Track at the club level. Soccer as well. Occasionally a scout comes and watches pitchers in HS. What is inaccurate?

Your main experience is presumably with basketball and soccer. Those, along with volleyball, are probably the three most club dominated sports. Track is a joke to include in that list. Club recruiting is pretty much a non-existent factor in such sports. It's done primarily through HS coaches, reviewing results, and responding to interest forms. A pretty small percentage of the top kids are even on club rosters by the end of HS.

 

[THE HCP]

Your main experience is presumably with basketball and soccer. Those, along with volleyball, are probably the three most club dominated sports. Track is a joke to include in that list. Club recruiting is pretty much a non-existent factor in such sports. It's done primarily through HS coaches, reviewing results, and responding to interest forms. A pretty small percentage of the top kids are even on club rosters by the end of HS.

My dad coaches track and cross country for 30 years. I’ve been around that enough to know that scouts don’t come to HS meets. now I’m talking Power 5 - mid level D1 college scouts for all these. Maybe that’s where your losing me. Of course Warner Pacific and Western Oregon might swing by HS games.