Breaking News: Oregon high school student-athletes to profit off their name, image and likeness

[PtldPlatypus]

Formal
A formal fallacy is defined as an error that can be seen within the argument's form. Every formal fallacy is a non sequitur (or, an argument where the conclusion does not follow from the premise.)


I expect more from you platy. You have insinuated my argument has a fallacy but have not defined why or how other than im comparing apples to oranges, of which i countered with real examples that follow my opinion that are, in fact, current laws.

There are several logical fallacies you've employed throughout this discussion. However, I believe you to be too married to your position to consider them, so I'm going to bow out. I am fine with us disagreeing; I'd rather we not argue about the manner of our disagreement. More important for us to get along well.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

There are several logical fallacies you've employed throughout this discussion. However, I believe you to be too married to your position to consider them, so I'm going to bow out. I am fine with us disagreeing; I'd rather we not argue about the manner of our disagreement. More important for us to get along well.

oh come on. You are going to say that without pointing out the falacies and WHY they are fallacies?

Sorry thats a copout.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

oh come on. You are going to say that without pointing out the falacies and WHY they are fallacies?

Sorry thats a copout.

Yes, I'm going to say that, because if I get into why I believe they're fallacies, you're then going to come back with why they're not, and then we're going to be arguing about arguing, and then eventually arguing about arguing about arguing, and I'd like to avoid that.

I'll accept you telling me that my retreat is "a copout" over perpetuating an unnecessary argument.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Yes, I'm going to say that, because if I get into why I believe they're fallacies, you're then going to come back with why they're not, and then we're going to be arguing about arguing, and then eventually arguing about arguing about arguing, and I'd like to avoid that.

I'll accept you telling me that my retreat is "a copout" over perpetuating an unnecessary argument.

i see it as education through discussion. But it has to be up and up. If you see it as an argument, I cant control that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I have a right to Name, Image, and Dinner!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We know it's vile and not vial, right? I just wanted to make that clear.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

We know it's vile and not vial, right? I just wanted to make that clear.

not helping….

 

[PtldPlatypus]

not helping….

You expected him to help?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You expected him to help?

Hey now...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I have a right to Name, Image, and Dinner!

Wait, I'm now exercising my right to name, image, and nap.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

You expected him to help?

I prefer him to not add to it all. I dont expect him to help. I also dont expect him to try to make it worse…

I made some points and invited some people to watch a show that HELPED form my opinion on this topic. Instead of anyone giving me enough respect to at least say they will give it a shot, ive been told im mixing things up and arguing and speaking fallacies.
To pile on only makes the vibe worse…

 

[tlongII]

I didn’t get any of these NIL deals when I was in high school and I turned out okay. I guess. So there.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I didn’t get any of these NIL deals when I was in high school and I turned okay. I guess. So there.

Define okay.

 

[Tince]

@BlazerBender while I think your take if very much off-base, I must give you kuddos for sticking with it and being respectful.

 

[THE HCP]

Let kids be kids. Let the parents handle the business side until they are 18.

Curious what you mean by let kids be kids?

 

[THE HCP]

Working on a farm, building responsibilities, a skill and working the growing muscles is not the same as distracting an education to focus on how many people on social media like you.
Im all for educating children. This isnt education though.
Its a distraction from.

Did something happen to you or a family member on social media that left a sour view of it? “Distracting an education”? This is the DEFINITION of education in my opinion. So many great lessons to be learned from this.

 

[THE HCP]

Time spent during the day. Ive said it before. Working on an image detracts from a quality education of actual things that impact life. We already struggle in the work force with unskilled youth labor. To me, this will just compound that.

I guess i fail to see especially, in todays economy, how this isn't a concern.

Not picking on you, just really trying to find out why you have such a negative vibe on social media and peoples images. Your image is EVERYTHING. It may not feel like it or be important to YOU, but it is EVERYTHING in this world.

 

[THE HCP]

So I

pretty much.
But hey. As long as i have an image online people are liking, I can find someone to do everything i never learned to do myself. Even the basics.
Oh but wait. Now, that someone is too busy to do the work i need done because.. they are too busy marketing their image online…

’m assuming you don’t really have an nline image” whatever that means?

 

[THE HCP]

Disappointment is a part of life. Everyone doesn't get a trophy.

Failure, disappointment and setback teach some of the best skills a kid can learn.

 

[THE HCP]

well of course. But social media is ruthless. Kids commit suicide because they aren't accepted. This will compound that feeling of being not accepted.
We can all agree to disagree, put a pin in it and revisit in a decade.

Wow! Now this will lead to suicide? Do you have kids?

 

[THE HCP]

Gosh. Not sure how else to explain how distracted our youth already is and how much more this will distract them but hey. Let kids spend all day on tablets and phones working their image up instead of paying more attention to life's lessons.
Its been going great for us so far. Not.

DO YOU HAVE KIDS AND DID SOMETHING HORRIFIC HAPPEN TO THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA!?!

 

[THE HCP]

I am specifically speaking of athletes that need to use social media to promote .

Curious if you have experience in the college recruiting game? Do you have any idea how these athletes get noticed by scouts/coaches and recruiters these days?

 

[THE HCP]

My opinion….this is great. I only know from my daughter’s experience. A company reached out to her because of social media….Because she got a scholarship to play D1 soccer because of social media….and will now benefit from that and share her journey and experience on social media.

Side note: As a bunch know on here, her and her team are the reigning state champs….but what some might not know…her and her crew also have the highest GPA of ANY team, boys or girls, at ANY level in the state of Oregon. And guess what, these girls are on social media ALL DAY!

It always bugs me when people blame something with a blanket statement….”social media” is blamed for this and that.” Sheeeeiiittt. My opinion lazy and absent parenting is the cause for kids failing, not sharing pics and watching music videos.

My daughter has found workouts/examples of training and different meal plans on social media that has put her in a position to succeed.

My daughter is a 4.0 student heading off to an $80,000 a year school. Maybe parents need to be more involved if they are scared of allowing their kids to see how the real world works.

My daughter is getting experience in the world of business (regardless of how small this is). Expectations and responsibilities. How can this be looked upon as negative?

She has one more deal in the works, but won’t kick in until next fall when she is down in college. She will only grow from this experience.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Not picking on you, just really trying to find out why you have such a negative vibe on social media and peoples images. Your image is EVERYTHING. It may not feel like it or be important to YOU, but it is EVERYTHING in this world.

And thats where i think we are derailing as a society. When image becomes everything. One need just look around at our youth and how mix up they are to see things are not right.
I implore anyone who disagrees with me to watch the social dilemma.
Regardless of what platy thinks, there is no way i can accurately and concisely portray in words on here what that 2 hour documentary shows.
If anyone would like to watch it, instead of telling me im wrong, without checking out the info im saying helped educate me to whats going on with our youth, the importance of an online image and how it all ties with social media, i would be happy to discuss further. However as of yet, not one person in this doscussion has said they have seen it, yet im told im off base by everyone.

I do not see how so many people can tell me im wrong without checking out the information ive provided.
It seems like a very narrow minded stance to tell me im wrong without having checked out the info I've provided.

imo sir, not you percsay. Just the group discussing this in general.

Im going to let this one response address all of your questions to me, as to not muddy things up further.
Please watch the show and if anyone still thinks im wrong, please tell me why.. after examining the evidence i have provided.

I was told im far too married to my opinion to change but yet i offer evidence and people wont acknowledge it?

wouldnt that be married to the idea it wont work and ignoring someone else’s info that might challenge that opinion?
Talk about being so married to the thought this is good that one turns thier back on information provided aNd tells the offerer of such information they are stubbornly stuck on thier opinion without checking into the information provided?

I mean. Im seriously at a loss as to how people can be like that.

“You are wrong!”

“well here is some info that has helped me form my opinion.”

“I dont need no info to tell you you are wrong. You are just wrong”

“Did you check out the info i provided?”

“Nope. You aRe still wrong….”



Stunned i tell you… stunned…

 

[PDXFonz]

I wonder how often this will happen.

I don’t know about Oregon football players making it/finding success in the NFL. Or baseball players in the MLB, even though I feel like Basketball and Football are the two sports where students would be most likely to find themselves in a position where they are actually profiting off their status as an elite player.

It’s interesting thinking about how this would have affected K.Love and P.Pritchard.

I wonder if this rule also impacted things like shoe brand deals. Which would be perhaps the biggest change if it was previously not allowed, and now Companies can ink HS athletes. Could end up being a negative for some if the shoe companies used a lack of experience/success in higher level competition to give kids bummy 4 year contracts.

Like if a kid commits to Alabama on a football scholarship, basically signing them to a footwear sponsorship deal 1-4 years earlier.

Anyone know if HS athletes were already allowed to sign deals with shoe companies?

 

[PDXFonz]

My opinion….this is great. I only know from my daughter’s experience. A company reached out to her because of social media….Because she got a scholarship to play D1 soccer because of social media….and will now benefit from that and share her journey and experience on social media.

Side note: As a bunch know on here, her and her team are the reigning state champs….but what some might not know…her and her crew also have the highest GPA of ANY team, boys or girls, at ANY level in the state of Oregon. And guess what, these girls are on social media ALL DAY!

It always bugs me when people blame something with a blanket statement….”social media” is blamed for this and that.” Sheeeeiiittt. My opinion lazy and absent parenting is the cause for kids failing, not sharing pics and watching music videos.

My daughter has found workouts/examples of training and different meal plans on social media that has put her in a position to succeed.

My daughter is a 4.0 student heading off to an $80,000 a year school. Maybe parents need to be more involved if they are scared of allowing their kids to see how the real world works.

My daughter is getting experience in the world of business (regardless of how small this is). Expectations and responsibilities. How can this be looked upon as negative?

She has one more deal in the works, but won’t kick in until next fall when she is down in college. She will only grow from this experience.

Dudes really out there asking other parents what their kids GPA’s are during the soccer matches.

I can totally see it. “Hey, You probably already know me, I’m Blazers videographer … Does your kid play for the other team? What’s their IQ? Do you know the other kids’ IQ’s?”

Then he goes and sits down next to someone else.

 

[handiman]

I'm not sure how this will play out as far as recruiting athletes to high schools, but the biggest issue I see is coachability. Imagine an immature kid, and perhaps even worse, hovering parents, obsessing over their marketability and how the coach is handling his or her playing time. Yikes.

At least with college scholarship opportunities, that's a distant object that's difficult to measure. NIL stuff will be staring them in the face, with potentially daily reminders of how they're doing in all the areas coaches don't care about.

 

[THE HCP]

And thats where i think we are derailing as a society. When image becomes everything. One need just look around at our youth and how mix up they are to see things are not right.
I implore anyone who disagrees with me to watch the social dilemma.
Regardless of what platy thinks, there is no way i can accurately and concisely portray in words on here what that 2 hour documentary shows.
If anyone would like to watch it, instead of telling me im wrong, without checking out the info im saying helped educate me to whats going on with our youth, the importance of an online image and how it all ties with social media, i would be happy to discuss further. However as of yet, not one person in this doscussion has said they have seen it, yet im told im off base by everyone.

I do not see how so many people can tell me im wrong without checking out the information ive provided.
It seems like a very narrow minded stance to tell me im wrong without having checked out the info I've provided.

imo sir, not you percsay. Just the group discussing this in general.

Im going to let this one response address all of your questions to me, as to not muddy things up further.
Please watch the show and if anyone still thinks im wrong, please tell me why.. after examining the evidence i have provided.

I was told im far too married to my opinion to change but yet i offer evidence and people wont acknowledge it?

wouldnt that be married to the idea it wont work and ignoring someone else’s info that might challenge that opinion?
Talk about being so married to the thought this is good that one turns thier back on information provided aNd tells the offerer of such information they are stubbornly stuck on thier opinion without checking into the information provided?

I mean. Im seriously at a loss as to how people can be like that.

“You are wrong!”

“well here is some info that has helped me form my opinion.”

“I dont need no info to tell you you are wrong. You are just wrong”

“Did you check out the info i provided?”

“Nope. You aRe still wrong….”



Stunned i tell you… stunned…

I have no idea what I just read. I’ve seen that doc twice, what about it? I’ve also seen JFK.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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[THE HCP]

I wonder how often this will happen.

I don’t know about Oregon football players making it/finding success in the NFL. Or baseball players in the MLB, even though I feel like Basketball and Football are the two sports where students would be most likely to find themselves in a position where they are actually profiting off their status as an elite player.

It’s interesting thinking about how this would have affected K.Love and P.Pritchard.

I wonder if this rule also impacted things like shoe brand deals. Which would be perhaps the biggest change if it was previously not allowed, and now Companies can ink HS athletes. Could end up being a negative for some if the shoe companies used a lack of experience/success in higher level competition to give kids bummy 4 year contracts.

Like if a kid commits to Alabama on a football scholarship, basically signing them to a footwear sponsorship deal 1-4 years earlier.

Anyone know if HS athletes were already allowed to sign deals with shoe companies?

I mean it’s already impacting recruiting at the college level. Real Sports on HBO did a fantastic piece on this. The BYU story was crazy. Some alum who owns a sports drink company is giving every lineman like $20,000 when they show up. It’s crazy.
As far as this guy who claims it’s horrible for our HS students, cmon. This is so cool for them. What kids will it really impact their lives around here. Great experience though.
Still not quite sure where the suicide and other negatives came from. Never did reply to me if he has kids and is around social media everyday like an adult with teens is nowadays. He really has something against people and their image as well. And what the story about the documentary? Sure there are negative things that happen on the internet….but if kids are grounded and have parental and peer support, why not jump on this.
If you’ve got a teen in your basement cutting themselves listening to The Smiths, maybe the parents need to get more involved.