Bring Dre Back? (1 Viewer)

[Blazer Fanatic]

Miller might have an argument for being disgruntled:

● Denver is 3-12 in games Miller plays less than 19 min.

● Denver is 11-5 in games Miller plays 19 or more min.


Speaking of bullshit... Miller is shooting 50% from 3, which is a bullshit stat, and horribly misleading as it relates to being a fit for Portland.

Dre has attempted only 18 threes on the season. So, he's 9-18. He shot 2-9 from 3 in December (22%).

 

[BigGameDamian]

The Golden State Warriors and Sacramento Kings are interested in acquiring Andre Miller.

Miller has been suspended for two games for his confrontation with Brian Shaw in a game in which he did not play due to a coach's decision.

Miller has grown frustrated with Shaw and recently addressed some issues to him in a locker room meeting.

The Nuggets are determined to work out the issues with Miller.

The Warriors have been shopping for a backup point guard and have been engaged for weeks with the Toronto Raptors on Kyle Lowry.

 

[Strenuus]

Kyle Lowry ain't going anywhere. Gah! I wanted him before they got their act together. Ah well.

I hope GS doesn't get Miller. That'd be scary.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm not advocating Olshey do so but that is exactly what he did to Eric Gordon.

And the only one that has criticized that move is Eric Gordon. Sorry, it's a business and when you have a chance to get Chris Paul you do it and don't hesitate. Or look at it this way, who in their right mind would want a GM that would turn down that deal for fear of hurting Eric Gordon's feelings?

But, Andre Miller is not CP3. So, I'll leave it up to Olshey and Stotts if they think Miller is a good fit, would make this team better and if it's worth the risk to do what's necessary to acquire him.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

Andre Miller was our best player the whole time he was here, except at the beginning when Roy could play. Without him, there would have been no playoffs. But I prefer Mo for the Stotts system.

Papa, you were Roy's biggest critic, but after he left, you said many times that you had changed your mind late in his tenure here, which seemed doubtful since you hadn't displayed any change. Now, you abandon your claimed change of heart, and revert to being his critic again.

I learned to accept Miller's weaknesses, and focused on the strengths. That doesn't mean I want him back on the team, because the weaknesses are still there, and more glaring since he is older. I don't want Miller back, and if that is the 'wrong' opinion to have, I'm comfortable with it. Now that he's gone, I'll criticize him all I want. He plays for a division rival, and for a veteran, he has a history of showing up coaches when things aren't going his way.

 

[PapaG]

No Miller, no playoffs at all that year. It just so happens we ran into the World Champs.

Miller played in 2 playoffs with the Blazers.

 

[jlprk]

QFT....except I think you meant to say Dre, not Roy, in that sentence.


Go Blazers

Thanks for correcting that. I know I dictated it correctly, so I have asked for my press secretary's resignation.

 

[blue9]

Bringing 'Dre in would essentially solve any "bench scoring" issues we currently have. Imagine him setting up Robinson or Leonard for alley-oops, they way he did with LMA. He's far more crafty than Williams, and won't turn the ball over trying to dribble into a 1-on-4 fast break - and he certainly won't ever take one of those terrible 1-on-4 fast break 3-pointers.
Sure, Williams is the better shooter - but we have more than enough shooters, especially with CJ coming back. Our team still needs better balance in their offense, and 'Dre would be a huge step forward in achieving that balance. I would keep Watson as a defensive 3rd string PG, and trade any combination of Mo/Barton/Wright/Claver for 'Dre.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Is this generation really so soft that when someone speaks up and voices their concerns they are immediately demonized?

I'm not saying a trade needs to be made or not, I think trade threads are lame. But acting like dre is locker room cancer cause he got frustrated and rather than be a whiney puke like cousins or asik and try to use the media he just went straight to the guy he had a problem with and called him out. That's called leadership, it's not always comfortable.

 

[magnifier661]

Is this generation really so soft that when someone speaks up and voices their concerns they are immediately demonized?

I'm not saying a trade needs to be made or not, I think trade threads are lame. But acting like dre is locker room cancer cause he got frustrated and rather than be a whiney puke like cousins or asik and try to use the media he just went straight to the guy he had a problem with and called him out. That's called leadership, it's not always comfortable.

I actually met him once when I came to Portland for a series of games against Dallas in the playoffs. He was staying at the same hotel I was in. I went down for breakfast and he was there with one of the coaches, studying piles of plays and scouting reports.

He seems like a reserved person that wants to win. He just doesn't seem like the type that would be close with any teammates or coaching staff. It's not really a bad thing, but it just doesn't seem like he fits with this new team.

This team just loves each other. You can tell they hang out and are warm. We need players like that. Players like Patty Mills, that would buy into the team philosophy. As great of a player Miller is, he just doesn't look the type.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I actually met him once when I came to Portland for a series of games against Dallas in the playoffs. He was staying at the same hotel I was in. I went down for breakfast and he was there with one of the coaches, studying piles of plays and scouting reports.

He seems like a reserved person that wants to win. He just doesn't seem like the type that would be close with any teammates or coaching staff. It's not really a bad thing, but it just doesn't seem like he fits with this new team.

This team just loves each other. You can tell they hang out and are warm. We need players like that. Players like Patty Mills, that would buy into the team philosophy. As great of a player Miller is, he just doesn't look the type.

What he didnt say "oh shit you're that mags guy" and invite you over for continental breakfast? What a dick!

Dre always struck me as a no bs kind of guy. And he and la got a long great, remember la had t shirts made after his suspension? La probably liked him because he's not a fake person. He's not the guy that smile at everyone at the party and makes his rounds, he just sits down and gets to business.

 

[magnifier661]

What he didnt say "oh shit you're that mags guy" and invite you over for continental breakfast? What a dick!

Dre always struck me as a no bs kind of guy. And he and la got a long great, remember la had t shirts made after his suspension? La probably liked him because he's not a fake person. He's not the guy that smile at everyone at the party and makes his rounds, he just sits down and gets to business.

There is nothing bad I can honestly say about Dre. He was really cool with me, even asking me if I want a picture with him. The fit issue has more to do with the attitude of this team. I don't think anyone on this team isn't fake either. At least they don't seem to be.

 

[shamelessblazer]

and he certainly won't ever take one of those terrible 1-on-4 fast break 3-pointers.

This is the most frustrating thing Williams does! Since it's a guaranteed rebound for the other team if he misses, you really have to average like 60-70% on those shots for them to be worthwhile!

Sure, Williams is the better shooter - but we have more than enough shooters, especially with CJ coming back. Our team still needs better balance in their offense, and 'Dre would be a huge step forward in achieving that balance. I would keep Watson as a defensive 3rd string PG, and trade any combination of Mo/Barton/Wright/Claver for 'Dre.

+1, he would help out other players so much.


I wonder if, as others have referenced Olshey would be risking his reputation with free agents if he traded Williams, there is a contender who would want Williams in some sort of three way OR a place where he could start/be showcased.

 

[shamelessblazer]

Is this generation really so soft that when someone speaks up and voices their concerns they are immediately demonized?

I'm not saying a trade needs to be made or not, I think trade threads are lame. But acting like dre is locker room cancer cause he got frustrated and rather than be a whiney puke like cousins or asik and try to use the media he just went straight to the guy he had a problem with and called him out. That's called leadership, it's not always comfortable.

+1, he's a man. He doesn't play games with the media or his agent. And after he blew up at Nate it seemed it did get Nate's attention. Sports is very masculinity driven, guys are generally okay with high emotions, that's how most great players tap into that extra gear.And Miller probably wouldn't be in the league if he didn't still enjoy playing a lot.

 

[shamelessblazer]

He seems like a reserved person that wants to win. He just doesn't seem like the type that would be close with any teammates or coaching staff. It's not really a bad thing, but it just doesn't seem like he fits with this new team.

This team just loves each other. You can tell they hang out and are warm. We need players like that. Players like Patty Mills, that would buy into the team philosophy. As great of a player Miller is, he just doesn't look the type.

It might not be bad for the team to have 1 older vet like that to keep things stable. This team could get very frustrated with each other too if things ever went sideways. Sounds like Lopez was pretty quick to call guys out during training camp.

ALSO, Aldridge LOVED playing with this guy, and I care about how happiness with the team more than anyone else's.

 

[magnifier661]

It might not be bad for the team to have 1 older vet like that to keep things stable. This team could get very frustrated with each other too if things ever went sideways. Sounds like Lopez was pretty quick to call guys out during training camp.

ALSO, Aldridge LOVED playing with this guy, and I care about how happiness with the team more than anyone else's.

I wouldn't be upset if Olshey actually made the deal. I'm just thinking it isn't part of Olshey's player type. Who knows. Regardless, he's a great player that does deserve respect.

 

[PapaG]

It might not be bad for the team to have 1 older vet like that to keep things stable. This team could get very frustrated with each other too if things ever went sideways. Sounds like Lopez was pretty quick to call guys out during training camp.

ALSO, Aldridge LOVED playing with this guy, and I care about how happiness with the team more than anyone else's.

So you're saying that LMA doesn't like playing with Mo? The pointing out Dre's 3 point shooting makes me laugh, too. As if he suddenly a threat because he had a little streak to start the season.

 

[BBert]

im a lifetime fan since the dre bullet to griffin play

It warms my heart just thinking about it.

My sig was 'Miller > Nate' for an entire season. Timing is crucial. I'm not a fan of bringing Dre back at this time.

As for Mo: I've been as critical as anyone, and I'm pretty sure I was one of the first. His 'negative intangibles' have been maddening. However, I'm not convinced he is a hopeless cause. Yes, his shooting will be hot and cold, and probably more cold than hot. But I think I'm seeing glimpes of him playing more within the offense lately, and bringing more of the positives of which he is capable.

Is it a mirage? Wishful thinking? Possibly. I hope not.

Also, I am comforted by the fact that CJ may finally take the court. I don't expect Stotts to bench Mo for CJ at any time this season. But if CJ can produce, it lessens our reliance on Mo's inconsistency.

 

[dviss1]

Even though Dre is reserved, he's never been on a team that's doing as well as ours. I think he would fit in fine and buy into every concept.

 

[PapaG]

Even though Dre is reserved, he's never been on a team that's doing as well as ours. I think he would fit in fine and buy into every concept.

That says a lot about Miller, IMO. May as well bring back Rod Strickland, too. That worked out well the last time the team got off to a great start.

 

[shamelessblazer]

So you're saying that LMA doesn't like playing with Mo? The pointing out Dre's 3 point shooting makes me laugh, too. As if he suddenly a threat because he had a little streak to start the season.

LMA gives Miller praise all the time, he got him a ton of easy buckets. He doesn't say anything negative about Mo' but we both know it's supposedly hard to be a part of Aldridge's inner circle and Miller definitely was. The only other players we've heard he was/is close with were Outlaw, Rudy, and Camby to some extent.

That says a lot about Miller, IMO. May as well bring back Rod Strickland, too. That worked out well the last time the team got off to a great start.

Everyone knows that shit had already gone sideways when we brought in Strickland. There was the bonzi-smith drama all year. That team was a mess.

 

[shamelessblazer]

If Golden State is interested in Miller, I can't help but wonder if Mo would be a better fit for their three heavy offense and play as a b/u to Curry. I know it's generally a no-no to help another in conference contender, but I'm not sure Olshey would follow those rules if he cares about fostering a relationship with players/agents more.

Is there a three way that would make sense to send Mo to Golden State, Miller here, and ? to Denver?

 

[dviss1]

That says a lot about Miller, IMO. May as well bring back Rod Strickland, too. That worked out well the last time the team got off to a great start.

Not sure where you're going with that one. Anyways, I think dre would come in and immediately make our 2nd unit hum.
I think it would up our fastbreak points and our points in the paint.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

There is nothing bad I can honestly say about Dre. He was really cool with me, even asking me if I want a picture with him. The fit issue has more to do with the attitude of this team. I don't think anyone on this team isn't fake either. At least they don't seem to be.

That precisely why I think he would fit with this team, they are not fake and they win. Dre loves winning, I still remember him celebratinglike a school girl who just got a pony from the bench when Roy won game 4 against Dallas

 

[Sinobas]

It would be an eerily similar situation to when we traded for Rod. Getting a pass-first PG, in the twilight of his career back for his 2nd tour of duty in Portland, while we have the #1 record. The team went into a tailspin after getting Rod, and I don't know if that was a coincidence or if they wanted to stick it to Whitsett for signing a player to take minutes.

 

[Natebishop3]

It would be an eerily similar situation to when we traded for Rod. Getting a pass-first PG, in the twilight of his career back for his 2nd tour of duty in Portland, while we have the #1 record. The team went into a tailspin after getting Rod, and I don't know if that was a coincidence or if they wanted to stick it to Whitsett for signing a player to take minutes.

We didn't trade for Rod. The Wizards released him and we picked him up.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It would be an eerily similar situation to when we traded for Rod. Getting a pass-first PG, in the twilight of his career back for his 2nd tour of duty in Portland, while we have the #1 record. The team went into a tailspin after getting Rod, and I don't know if that was a coincidence or if they wanted to stick it to Whitsett for signing a player to take minutes.

The problem was we didn't trade for Rod Strickland - The Sequel, he was signed as a free agent to a team that was already 2 - 3 deep at every position with guys who were used to starting and expected starter minutes. Damon was already whining about being benched in the 4th quarter in favor or Greg Anthony and adding a 3rd PG to the mix totally fucked with Damon's already fragile confidence.

We had a similar log jam at SF. Pippen was the defacto starter, but when he was injured Stacy Augmon started and actually played very well. Then Scottie came back and Whitsitt also persuaded Detlef Schrempf to come back (again) for the last couple months of the season - but with special privileges (could skip practice to be with his family in Seattle). And, now Augmon went from starter to 3rd stringer and was not happy about it.

Olshey has been a master at assembling a team with good chemistry. In that way, he's the anti-Whitsitt. Whitsitt took a team with already fragile chemistry and just kept piling on more and more veterans that all expected to play starter minutes and then bitched about it when they didn't. This team isn't NEARLY that deep. Our bench is still a weakness. So, I doubt adding one veteran would cause the same type if implosion we saw back in March, 2001 when signing Rod Strickland was the straw that broke the camel's back.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

The problem was we didn't trade for Rod Strickland - The Sequel, he was signed as a free agent to a team that was already 2 - 3 deep at every position with guys who were used to starting and expected starter minutes. Damon was already whining about being benched in the 4th quarter in favor or Greg Anthony and adding a 3rd PG to the mix totally fucked with Damon's already fragile confidence.

We had a similar log jam at SF. Pippen was the defacto starter, but when he was injured Stacy Augmon started and actually played very well. Then Scottie came back and Whitsitt also persuaded Detlef Schrempf to come back (again) for the last couple months of the season - but with special privileges (could skip practice to be with his family in Seattle). And, now Augmon went from starter to 3rd stringer and was not happy about it.

Olshey has been a master at assembling a team with good chemistry. In that way, he's the anti-Whitsitt. Whitsitt took a team with already fragile chemistry and just kept piling on more and more veterans that all expected to play starter minutes and then bitched about it when they didn't. This team isn't NEARLY that deep. Our bench is still a weakness. So, I doubt adding one veteran would cause the same type if implosion we saw back in March, 2001 when signing Rod Strickland was the straw that broke the camel's back.

BNM

It was definitely the addition of Detlef, paired with the signing of Rod, that screwed things up. People love to talk about the signing of Strickland, but Detlef was just as damaging, if not more.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It was definitely the addition of Detlef, paired with the signing of Rod, that screwed things up. People love to talk about the signing of Strickland, but Detlef was just as damaging, if not more.

Just way, way, too many guys all DEMANDING minutes.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Just way, way, too many guys all DEMANDING minutes.

BNM

Whitsitt didn't care about chemistry at all. His philosophy was to add as much talent to the roster as possible and then let the coach figure it out. In theory it's a good idea, but in practice it's very difficult to balance that many egos.