Bring JJ Hickson off the bench for a scoring punch and..

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Hmmm, it occurs to me that my last post is probably derailing the thread a little bit.

Back to Hickson, I agree that he should be starting right now and maybe you're right, there won't be anyone better for us to sign this off-season -- it's probably not even a "maybe" to be honest. Maybe 1 or 2 worthwhile free agents and something like 13 teams with max or near max money this summer.

Can we extend him now? Olshey might want to seriously consider it, unless he thinks he's going to end up doing a lopsided trade, but this team really doesn't have any assets outside of the starters.
 
Can we extend him now? Olshey might want to seriously consider it, unless he thinks he's going to end up doing a lopsided trade, but this team really doesn't have any assets outside of the starters.

I don't see any big trades looming this year; there just aren't enough real assets. As for extending Hickson ... errrr ... ummmm ... I don't know? I can't quite shake the "contract year" thing. I still question the kind of player he'll be after he cashes in. If he's still playing like this three months from now and the team is confident in what they have, then I suppose Neil is savvy enough to know what he wants to do with Hickson and this roster.
 
Hickson can start, or Leonard can start. As far as I'm concerned though, Hickson has earned the starting spot. How can you not love this guy? He's like Marcus Camby on rebounds except he can actually make a layup on offense.
 
Leonard is a good three years away.

I say go after Pekovic. By the time he's in his last year, Meyers ought to be more than ready.
 
I don't see any big trades looming this year; there just aren't enough real assets. As for extending Hickson ... errrr ... ummmm ... I don't know? I can't quite shake the "contract year" thing. I still question the kind of player he'll be after he cashes in. If he's still playing like this three months from now and the team is confident in what they have, then I suppose Neil is savvy enough to know what he wants to do with Hickson and this roster.

Well, if there are a lot of teams with cap space this summer, and very few players worth the cap space, I think you could make the jump that Hickson will get paid. Maybe we should look at trading him now? Dive right into starting Leonard and bring Freeland off the bench? I really like Hickson, but he's a UFA after this season and Leonard is the clear future at that position. I hate to give him up, but you can't overpay a guy to come off the bench. Seems like he's our only marketable asset and this team desperately needs some bench players.

Who could use a big guy?
 
I totally see the point, but I actually really like Hickson and I'm not convinced that there will be someone this summer who we can sign that will be better than JJ.

I just don't see how he fits here long term though. The Blazers are not trading Aldridge ok and I don't think they drafted Meyers to be the backup center in the long run. So where does that leave Hickson? Is he all of a sudden going to become your long term backup center? The Detroit Pistons are going to run into the same problem in a few years. I just don't see how it works. With Hickson you see what his value is at trade deadline and keep your options open.
 
I just don't see how he fits here long term though. The Blazers are not trading Aldridge ok and I don't think they drafted Meyers to be the backup center in the long run. So where does that leave Hickson? Is he all of a sudden going to become your long term backup center? The Detroit Pistons are going to run into the same problem in a few years. I just don't see how it works. With Hickson you see what his value is at trade deadline and keep your options open.

The thing is, you don't need a conventional center to win in the NBA these days. Right now Hickson is the second best big behind Aldridge, so he should start. I like Leonard, but he's not better than Hickson. Not right now, and maybe not next season either. Hickson is scoring, he's rebounding, and he's hustling. Nothing to dislike about the guy. The only real fear is that he's playing for a contract and then he'll have a letdown. That's always possible.
 
You guys heard on Talkin Ball that Chris Haynes talked to Stotts about bringing JJ Hickson off the bench for a scoring punch. Stotts said no because he is playing to good right now but Chris and Dwight Jaynes both agree that you have to give as much time as you can to Meyers Leonard and Damian Lillard together on the court to develop some cohesiveness. So why not start now? Adding that Hickson is a short term fix and Leonard is the long term fix.
 
Leonard needs quite a bit more seasoning. If he's not ready for the load -- which it seems that he isn't -- then just let him earn his time organically. My guess is that they'll slowly increment his PT as he starts to look more comfortable out there.

In the meantime, does it really matter? I'd be concerned if he was rotting on the pine or not dressing.

Bingo. We suck, so let's use the worthless minutes to get our guys experience.
 
You guys heard on Talkin Ball that Chris Haynes talked to Stotts about bringing JJ Hickson off the bench for a scoring punch. Stotts said no because he is playing to good right now but Chris and Dwight Jaynes both agree that you have to give as much time as you can to Meyers Leonard and Damian Lillard together on the court to develop some cohesiveness. So why not start now? Adding that Hickson is a short term fix and Leonard is the long term fix.

If Chris and Dwight think it's a good idea, it MUST be true.
 
I guess the way I see it, is that Leonard is playing around 20 minutes a night as a raw-as-hell rookie; he's getting court time with Damian, so I'm not sure what Dwight and Chris are so concerned about?

As for guys like Barton, Claver, Freeland, etc. I suppose I would like to see those guys get a little more live game action, but if Stotts is at all serious about developing Lillard and maximizing his chances for success and creating good habits for him, then he needs his starters in the game quite a bit and he needs some veterans like Jeffries and Pavlovic to sort of fill in the gaps. It's a helluva balancing act and so far I don't think you can fault Stotts' tack.
 
Meyers Leonard.

Start him, play him, build around him.
 
David Thorpe calls it the "Royal Jelly" and it's a pretty compelling argument for player development. Any young player needs real court time and a real chance to work through their issues without a quick hook and with a steady role. Without it guys wash out all the time -- some would have washed out anyway, but how many fall through the cracks who otherwise could have been productive players if they'd gotten the opportunity?

Furthermore, practice time in the NBA during the regular season is mostly about shoot-around, getting shots up and game planning, scrimmages are few and far between.

So while I don't necessarily want to see a bunch of scrubs getting force fed minutes at the expense of guys like Lillard, LMA, Wesley and Batum, this is the year to try and see what you've got -- no real expectations, no reliable bench depth and not a lot of pressure.

I never said I was against them playing, I'm just against starting them when all they've done is suck, and benching a guy who's earned the right to start...
 
Personally, I'd rather see the Blazers acquire another big man. Perhaps a trade involving Wesley Matthews (or such) and Spencer Hawes when possible (I think Dec. 15th).

No way man. Matthews is the perfect compliment for Lillard. Matthews and Batum are really making it hard for the other team's backcourt to get into the flow. Looking back, they have faced some of the best back court tandems and done a very fine job. I think we have the big men we need. The only way I would dabble in a trade would be for a legit "back to the basket" center. Last time I checked there isn't many out there right now.
 
I never said I was against them playing, I'm just against starting them when all they've done is suck, and benching a guy who's earned the right to start...

Even when the guy that is playing better is just a short term fix? When Steve Blake started over Andre Miller it was a different scenario because none of them where really considered long term or short term fix.
 
Even when the guy that is playing better is just a short term fix? When Steve Blake started over Andre Miller it was a different scenario because none of them where really considered long term or short term fix.

Why is JJ only going to be hear short term? He may eventually come off the bench but I could see them signing him to additional years. Leonard is getting minutes so if he starts to play better, and I expect him to, then I wouldn't mind. I do think Freeman should be getting more consistent minutes. He definitely looks like a guy rushing, forcing and worried about getting yanked. He hasn't played well at all but I think he's better than what we've seen. He should get all of Jeffries minutes, what a waste that is.
 
Why is JJ only going to be hear short term? He may eventually come off the bench but I could see them signing him to additional years. Leonard is getting minutes so if he starts to play better, and I expect him to, then I wouldn't mind. I do think Freeman should be getting more consistent minutes. He definitely looks like a guy rushing, forcing and worried about getting yanked. He hasn't played well at all but I think he's better than what we've seen. He should get all of Jeffries minutes, what a waste that is.

I know it was one game, but the dude looked out of sync. He seems to move at a much slower pace than the rest of the team. Hopefully his 30 years in England will prevail and get him on track.
 
No way man. Matthews is the perfect compliment for Lillard. Matthews and Batum are really making it hard for the other team's backcourt to get into the flow. Looking back, they have faced some of the best back court tandems and done a very fine job. I think we have the big men we need. The only way I would dabble in a trade would be for a legit "back to the basket" center. Last time I checked there isn't many out there right now.

Amen on that. Blazers could really use a back to the basket center.
 
Why is JJ only going to be hear short term? He may eventually come off the bench but I could see them signing him to additional years. Leonard is getting minutes so if he starts to play better, and I expect him to, then I wouldn't mind. I do think Freeman should be getting more consistent minutes. He definitely looks like a guy rushing, forcing and worried about getting yanked. He hasn't played well at all but I think he's better than what we've seen. He should get all of Jeffries minutes, what a waste that is.

Because the way JJ is playing he's probably not going to want to be a backup for the next 3-5 years when he could be a starter and a big building block on another team that needs a true PF. Why did Harden want to leave OKC. Listen the Blazers didn't draft Leonard to be a backup center and Aldridge isn't going anywhere.
 
Because the way JJ is playing he's probably not going to want to be a backup for the next 3-5 years when he could be a starter and a big building block on another team that needs a true PF. Why did Harden want to leave OKC. Listen the Blazers didn't draft Leonard to be a backup center and Aldridge isn't going anywhere.

You may be right, you may be wrong on JJ. Comparing him to Harden is a bit of a stretch though. At any rate I see the value in wanting Leonard to get more playing time, but in his case I also see the value in bringing him along more slowly. Inserting him into the starting lineup adds more pressure to a guy who already seems to still be adjusting to the speed of the game. You don't want him to lose confidence. Foul trouble is also an issue.
 
Because the way JJ is playing he's probably not going to want to be a backup for the next 3-5 years when he could be a starter and a big building block on another team that needs a true PF. Why did Harden want to leave OKC. Listen the Blazers didn't draft Leonard to be a backup center and Aldridge isn't going anywhere.

Speaking of OKC, they didn't draft Cole Aldrich with the 11th pick to have him be a backup center either. But draft picks don't always work out. Right now Hickson is easily twice the player Leonard is. He should be starting. If we ever have a bigman on the bench that is arguably better than Hickson I'll be happy to argue about it. But right now the idea that Hickson should be benched is ridiculous.

I'll take it a step further and say that right now (and probably the whole season) all of our bench players are sooo much worse than our starters that there is no good reason to bench any of our starters.
 
Speaking of OKC, they didn't draft Cole Aldrich with the 11th pick to have him be a backup center either. But draft picks don't always work out. Right now Hickson is easily twice the player Leonard is. He should be starting. If we ever have a bigman on the bench that is arguably better than Hickson I'll be happy to argue about it. But right now the idea that Hickson should be benched is ridiculous.

I'll take it a step further and say that right now (and probably the whole season) all of our bench players are sooo much worse than our starters that there is no good reason to bench any of our starters.

Exactly... and here's the thing, he's only 24 years old. It's not like Hickson is some old man that is on his way out. He's not Kurt Thomas or Juwan Howard. He's a young, talented, big man who deserves to start. He's the best center we've had in years.
 
Exactly... and here's the thing, he's only 24 years old. It's not like Hickson is some old man that is on his way out. He's not Kurt Thomas or Juwan Howard. He's a young, talented, big man who deserves to start. He's the best center we've had in years.

You are absolutely right! He makes it easier for us to keep Aldridge at pf. And centers can't cheat and double Aldridge anymore. I think this will bring fruit later in the season because teams won't be able to double Aldridge easily like they have done in the past. And if they do; I expect monster numbers from hickson
 
You are absolutely right! He makes it easier for us to keep Aldridge at pf. And centers can't cheat and double Aldridge anymore. I think this will bring fruit later in the season because teams won't be able to double Aldridge easily like they have done in the past. And if they do; I expect monster numbers from hickson

Don't get me wrong, I like Leonard. I think he's going to be a good player. I just like Hickson a lot too. He hustles, he rebounds, he plays defense, and he can score. Sure, he's a little smaller than you'd like your center to be, but in today's NBA it's really not that big of a deal.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like Leonard. I think he's going to be a good player. I just like Hickson a lot too. He hustles, he rebounds, he plays defense, and he can score. Sure, he's a little smaller than you'd like your center to be, but in today's NBA it's really not that big of a deal.

Lenard's time will come in a couple years. Then you can bring Hickson off the bench as the first big man. He can back-up Aldridge and Lenard (If lenard pans out). It will be a great 3 man rotation in the front court. Basically no scoring woes front court from the second unit. I would like to bring in another 7 footer for spot minutes at center though.
 
I hear ya. That said, though, it's at least curious why the Blazers went big after Hibbert this past summer.

Because he's better than Hickson.
 
Leonard is not ready. Hickson is our best option to start at the moment. Leonard is getting plenty of development minutes. Where's the problem? When we start following the expert coaching advice of Haynes and Dwight we are in a shit load of trouble.

Why conclude Hickson isn't a possible long term Blazer? He'd be great coming off the bench for us if we ever have someone better than him. I expect he'll either be a Blazer next year or be part of a sign and trade. No reason to extend him until we test the free agent market first.
 
Because he's better than Hickson.

I think the biggest difference between the two is defense. Hickson is just a little too undersized to defend well at that position. But he is certainly rebounding the ball well.
 
nards is gonna cut his teeth against 2nd units, and then when he is ready, he will release his beast mode upon the league
 
Meyers Leonard should be starting soon enough the way he is playing!! After all Leonard is the future starting center.
 

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