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Phatguysrule said:
I discussed that above. One solution would be A 5-10% fee on nba players salaries. Or even a % of NBA revenue.

NBA teams lose money before revenue sharing all the time.
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Then the NBA players should get equity in the WNBA and/or the NBA gets even more equity in the WNBA than it already does.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If a men's track league becomes a billion dollar business then yeah... Supporting a women's division with 10% of profits would be a good thing.
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Soccer is a billion dollar business. Professional soccer players are living 3 or 4 to an apartment to survive. Baseball is a billion dollar business. Their isn't even a professional softball league in the USA. The WNBA players make a great salary in the US compared to most professional athletes.
 
twobullz said:
Soccer is a billion dollar business. Professional soccer players are living 3 or 4 to an apartment to survive. Baseball is a billion dollar business. Their isn't even a professional softball league in the USA. The WNBA players make a great salary in the US compared to most professional athletes.
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Average salary of MLS player is $472,008. Average salary of an NBA player is $8 million.
The goal shouldn't be to drive all women down to the level of the lowest paid woman. It doesn't seem like I should have to explain this in this day and age...

Again, those successful leagues helping to support a women's division in their sports would be a good thing. And paying them 1/3 of what men make per game doesn't seem like a big ask.

It's disgraceful that American women need to go risk abuse or worse in other countries to make a top wage to play their sport. This is America. The richest country in the history of the world, and the media center of the world. Shameful.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Average salary of MLS player is $472,008. Average salary of an NBA player is $8 million.
The goal shouldn't be to drive all women down to the level of the lowest paid woman. It doesn't seem like I should have to explain this in this day and age...

Again, those successful leagues helping to support a women's division in their sports would be a good thing. And paying them 1/3 of what men make per game doesn't seem like a big ask.

It's disgraceful that American women need to go risk abuse or worse in other countries to make a top wage to play their sport. This is America. The richest country in the history of the world, and the media center of the world. Shameful.
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I don’t follow this at all. So since it’s a sport they should be given more money because men play the same sport? Are the WNBA and the owners withholding millions of dollars in profits from players? Maybe they are I have no idea
 
Phatguysrule said:
Average salary of MLS player is $472,008. Average salary of an NBA player is $8 million.
The goal shouldn't be to drive all women down to the level of the lowest paid woman. It doesn't seem like I should have to explain this in this day and age...

Again, those successful leagues helping to support a women's division in their sports would be a good thing. And paying them 1/3 of what men make per game doesn't seem like a big ask.

It's disgraceful that American women need to go risk abuse or worse in other countries to make a top wage to play their sport. This is America. The richest country in the history of the world, and the media center of the world. Shameful.
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I feel like you still don't understand basic economics. It's called supply and demand. There's very little demand for women's basketball in the US, thus there's very little money in women's basketball. Why should we pay people money that doesn't exist? Why not instead look at the root cause, which is why aren't Americans interested in women's basketball? You solve that question and you will magically solve the issue of their pay being lower than the men.

Do you go see movies just to support an actress? Did you go see the female Ghost Busters in theaters? There seems to be a prevailing thought that we need to support different forms of entertainment simply because it has a woman in it, or a POC. I thoroughly enjoyed Black Panther, but I didn't go see it just because it had a largely black cast. I went to see it because I like the genre and it had great actors in it. But if the movie had sucked, and gotten bad reviews, I probably wouldn't have gone to see it. But in your world, I should go see the movie regardless because it's the right thing to do.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Talking about specific teams losing money is a whole other conversation. Success can ebb and flow, but the league as a whole is extremely profitable. Paul Allen bought the Blazers for $70 million. The team is worth $2-3 billion dollars now. How much is a WNBA team worth?
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That's not the point. Revenue sharing is the point. Some teams who can't make a profit are propped up by others who can. It takes money to make money.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Average salary of MLS player is $472,008. Average salary of an NBA player is $8 million.
The goal shouldn't be to drive all women down to the level of the lowest paid woman. It doesn't seem like I should have to explain this in this day and age...

Again, those successful leagues helping to support a women's division in their sports would be a good thing. And paying them 1/3 of what men make per game doesn't seem like a big ask.

It's disgraceful that American women need to go risk abuse or worse in other countries to make a top wage to play their sport. This is America. The richest country in the history of the world, and the media center of the world. Shameful.
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It is a big ask if the league is loosing money. If a league cannot support it self, it is not going to be in existence long. I cannot see many NBA players willing to take a pay cut to pay WNBA players. Most won't even take a pay cut to help the team they are playing on sign other players to improve their own team and you want to ask them to take a 10% cut to pa WNBA players. Never going to happen. The league draws on average of 2600 people per game in attendance. If they want to increase their salaries so they don't have to play overseas, they should figure out a way to increase attendance.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I feel like you still don't understand basic economics. It's called supply and demand. There's very little demand for women's basketball in the US, thus there's very little money in women's basketball. Why should we pay people money that doesn't exist? Why not instead look at the root cause, which is why aren't Americans interested in women's basketball? You solve that question and you will magically solve the issue of their pay being lower than the men.

Do you go see movies just to support an actress? Did you go see the female Ghost Busters in theaters? There seems to be a prevailing thought that we need to support different forms of entertainment simply because it has a woman in it, or a POC. I thoroughly enjoyed Black Panther, but I didn't go see it just because it had a largely black cast. I went to see it because I like the genre and it had great actors in it. But if the movie had sucked, and gotten bad reviews, I probably wouldn't have gone to see it. But in your world, I should go see the movie regardless because it's the right thing to do.
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"Hey Dame, were gonna take $20 million out of your contract to give to WNBA players"
 
Phatguysrule said:
It takes money to make money.
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You should take your own advice. It takes money to make money and there's no money to pay the players extra.

Also, I think an argument could be made to increase salaries if the WNBA didn't have the best players in the world. If it was a question of attracting talent, you might be able to make a case to increase salaries. For example, the MLS doesn't have the best soccer players in the world. Not by a long shot. They're not even probably in the top... what..... 4 or 5 soccer leagues? So they need to throw more money at talented players to get them to come to their league. But I don't think that's the case with women's hoops.

They have really good players. There just needs to be a demand for more WNBA action from the public at large.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I feel like you still don't understand basic economics. It's called supply and demand. There's very little demand for women's basketball in the US, thus there's very little money in women's basketball. Why should we pay people money that doesn't exist? Why not instead look at the root cause, which is why aren't Americans interested in women's basketball? You solve that question and you will magically solve the issue of their pay being lower than the men.

Do you go see movies just to support an actress? Did you go see the female Ghost Busters in theaters? There seems to be a prevailing thought that we need to support different forms of entertainment simply because it has a woman in it, or a POC. I thoroughly enjoyed Black Panther, but I didn't go see it just because it had a largely black cast. I went to see it because I like the genre and it had great actors in it. But if the movie had sucked, and gotten bad reviews, I probably wouldn't have gone to see it. But in your world, I should go see the movie regardless because it's the right thing to do.
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Yes I did go see Ghostbusters: Answer the Call in theaters. My kids loved it, like they love the rest of the Ghostbusters movies.

The discussion isn't about basic economics. If it were the WNBA would have never started in the first place.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
"Hey Dame, were gonna take $20 million out of your contract to give to WNBA players"
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He wouldn't even notice it. So instead of getting a pretax paycheck of $1,694,857.23 he would get $1,502,549.54. And his payment could probably be counted as a tax deductible donation if it were done right. It might not cost him anything after taxes.
 
Phatguysrule said:
He wouldn't even notice it. So instead of getting a pretax paycheck of $1,694,857.23 he would get $1,502,549.54. And his payment could probably be counted as a tax deductible donation if it were done right. It might not cost him anything after taxes.
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How about this. Hey CJ Elleby, we are going to deduct $150000 from your salary this year to give it to one of the ladies in the WNBA. You are good with that right. What do you think CJ and his agents response will be.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You should take your own advice. It takes money to make money and there's no money to pay the players extra.

Also, I think an argument could be made to increase salaries if the WNBA didn't have the best players in the world. If it was a question of attracting talent, you might be able to make a case to increase salaries. For example, the MLS doesn't have the best soccer players in the world. Not by a long shot. They're not even probably in the top... what..... 4 or 5 soccer leagues? So they need to throw more money at talented players to get them to come to their league. But I don't think that's the case with women's hoops.

They have really good players. There just needs to be a demand for more WNBA action from the public at large.
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I don't think you're following what the term "It takes money to make money" means. It means you have to invest in something before it becomes profitable.

If we attracted talent from all over the world we'd be able to have more teams. We could expand the market outside the US easier. Bigger pie.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think you're following what the term "It takes money to make money" means. It means you have to invest in something before it becomes profitable.

If we attracted talent from all over the world we'd be able to have more teams. We could expand the market outside the US easier. Bigger pie.
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The league has been around for 26 years. how many more before it becomes profitable? If it hasn't after 26 years, not likely going to.
 
twobullz said:
How about this. Hey CJ Elleby, we are going to deduct $150000 from your salary this year to give it to one of the ladies in the WNBA. You are good with that right. What do you think CJ and his agents response will be.
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That could also be counted as a tax deductible donation. Or maybe a business expense. Might not cost him anything. It depends how it's structured.

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CJ's paycheck would go from $57,692.3077 every other week to $51,923.0769.

His weekly paycheck is what WNBA players with less than 2 years get per year.
 
Phatguysrule said:
That could also be counted as a tax deductible donation. Or maybe a business expense. Might not cost him anything. It depends how it's structured.
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Yeah I am betting a guy who might not get another NBA contract is not going to be high on donating 10% no matter how you spin it. It is the the NBA's job to subsidize a league that has been around for over a quarter of a century. They either need to increase their revenue or deal with the fact that this is what the salaries are. They all know it when the sign their contract what they will be making. They get to make that choice.
 
Phatguysrule said:
He wouldn't even notice it. So instead of getting a pretax paycheck of $1,694,857.23 he would get $1,502,549.54. And his payment could probably be counted as a tax deductible donation if it were done right. It might not cost him anything after taxes.
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Shit, why not double it then.



Yeah, and multiply that discussion by 400 NBA players and their agents.
 
Phatguysrule said:
And they're just girls anyway, so fuck 'em, right?
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Has nothing to do with them being "girls", has to do with the revenue of their league. You are trying to make it out that just because they are women, not girls, they should get extra.
 
twobullz said:
Yeah I am betting a guy who might not get another NBA contract is not going to be high on donating 10% no matter how you spin it. It is the the NBA's job to subsidize a league that has been around for over a quarter of a century. They either need to increase their revenue or deal with the fact that this is what the salaries are. They all know it when the sign their contract what they will be making. They get to make that choice.
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Sure, you could have it weighted so guys like CJ don't pay as much, if anything. That's the point. There is so much money on the NBA's side that they could shift the numbers around and come up with $150 million per year for the WNBA players to make a salary that wouldn't have them taking risks to capitalize on their talents while their body is healthy enough to do so.

And the NBA wouldn't even notice it. Have it come out of the profit share, or straight off the top of the ESPN contract. Whatever.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Sure, you could have it weighted so guys like CJ don't pay as much, if anything. That's the point. There is so much money on the NBA's side that they could shift the numbers around and come up with $150 million per year for the WNBA players to make a salary that wouldn't have them taking risks to capitalize on their talents while their body is healthy enough to do so.

And the NBA wouldn't even notice it. Have it come out of the profit share, or straight off the top of the ESPN contract. Whatever.
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Players in most other sports have to " take risks to capitalize on their talents while their body's are healthy enough to" and play all over the world, but just because the NBA is so successful the WNBA players should not have to do what other athletes have to do to survive and play the game they love?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Shit, why not double it then.



Yeah, and multiply that discussion by 400 NBA players and their agents.
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It would have to happen in the CBA. No need to double it.
And I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm saying it's a shame that it doesn't. It could be done without anybody getting hurt financially.

The refusal for some of you to even consider something like this is also a shame.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It would have to happen in the CBA. No need to double it.
And I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm saying it's a shame that it doesn't. It could be done without anybody getting hurt financially.

The refusal for some of you to even consider something like this is also a shame.
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Yeah, we should feel sorry for professional basketball players that make more money than us having to be subsidized by decamillionaires so they can all earn 7 figure salaries.
 
twobullz said:
Players in most other sports have to " take risks to capitalize on their talents while their body's are healthy enough to" and play all over the world, but just because the NBA is so successful the WNBA players should not have to do what other athletes have to do to survive and play the game they love?
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Yeah. We should prevent people from being put at risk every chance we get. Nobody has to lose in my proposal and women everywhere would benefit.

I don't subscribe to the "their life sucks, so yours should too" line of reasoning.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah. We should prevent people from being put at risk every chance we get. Nobody has to lose in my proposal and women everywhere would benefit.

I don't subscribe to the "their life sucks, so yours should too" line of reasoning.
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So if we subsidize the WNBA players, then you would be for banning them from participating in any other professional basketball league?

Maybe we should ban them from international travel, for their own safety too?
 
Phatguysrule said:
The refusal for some of you to even consider something like this is also a shame.
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I don't think that's really fair....I considered what you posted and just simply don't agree with you. Nothing shameful about it..I voiced why I feel that way and disagree because it's a failed model pretty much trying to crack the market...not unlike ping pong or volleyball or many sports...it's not getting an audience. It very well may someday but it's not a financial priority...personally I'd love to see more academic scholarships and fewer sports scholarships...it's entertainment but not anything like being a doctor or any other profession where equal pay should be a given..the profits don't leave that kind of money in the WNBA..hopefully one day they will have a brand that large audiences want to watch. I also never understood the draw of Nascar or Golf....sure is popular but man I'd rather watch paint dry than either of those sports.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Yeah, we should feel sorry for professional basketball players that make more money than us having to be subsidized by decamillionaires so they can all earn 7 figure salaries.
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I didn't say we should feel sorry about anything. We should feel ashamed that American women in their positions are forced to make those decisions.

It's shameful in the wealthiest country in the history of the world. No doubt about it.
 
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