BRoy interview coming up live (MERGED)

[SodaPopinski]

obviously you don't know the intricacies of the cap rules of the NBA. Pritch is a mastermind.

There is a reason these negotiaons are at this point...find me an example otherwise!!

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but this contract could have been devised and drawn up months ago. There's nothing NEW to figure out at this point. I can understand a bit of a give-and-take with LaMarcus, but this is our franchise player who has earned this team way more money than they could ever dream of paying him back.

No reason to be tightwads. Absolutely none.

 

[PapaG]

I don't understand.

He's not going anywhere unless the Blazers want him to for TWO MORE seasons.

I doubt that any team is already planning for the summer of 2011, and it's a huge crapshoot what the next CBA will look like.

The team IS playing with fire in the sense that it's a calculated risk to potentially piss him off... but I don't see evidence that teams will have a ton of free space in two summers to give him a max-level deal. Especially with the salary cap shrinking, most teams will be right up against the cap in 2011.

Look at the Lakers, for example. Even though they only have three players on the books (Bynum, Walton, and Artest) they will be over halfway to the salary cap. Throw on Kobe's salary and mimimum salary players and they're going to be near $50m... which is where the cap may well be.

Ed O.

Bullcrap. If the Blazers are going to treat him like this and have him unguaranteed for two more years, one on a rookie deal, Roy may as well become a hold-out and force a trade. What I don't get is why you didn't criticize Hedo getting a 5-year offer.

 

[illmatic99]

So, can someone provide me the money quote from Roy that elevates this to a "Roy quite likely to do what he can to escape this cheap team" situation?

BRoy said no such thing. maxiep was fucking around.

But Brandon himself admitted that he's been frustrated with this situation.

 

[Minstrel]

Bullcrap. If the Blazers are going to treat him like this and have him unguaranteed for two more years, one on a rookie deal, Roy may as well become a hold-out and force a trade.

Getting a little dramatic, there, pardner.

 

[PapaG]

So, can someone provide me the money quote from Roy that elevates this to a "Roy quite likely to do what he can to escape this cheap team" situation?

I didn't listen to the interview, but the posted recaps seemed pretty non-noteworthy.

That's your fault. The fact he texted Wheeler even after the interview to state how "frustrated and disappointed" he was, and that he'd be putting out a statement next week, should at the very least give a bit of insight into how he feels he's being treated.

 

[Sug]

If it is the Vulcans, then KP needs to get on that Blackberry to God...errr I mean Paul.

 

[Ed O]

Or, he could try and force a trade prior to that so he can actually go somewhere that will pay him a 5 year deal starting in 2010-11, which is what any agent with a brain would do. Why have your All-Star playing on a rookie deal and a QO for the next two years with no guarantee for the future?

He can try to force a trade, no question. I can try to do a lot of things that I won't be able to do without someone else agreeing to it.

As for why have your all-star playing on a rookie deal and a QO for the next two years with no guarantee for the future? I dunno. Why doesn't he sign a four year deal now, if the guarantee is so critical?

Because he doesn't have to.

Similarly, neither do the Blazers.

The Blazers WILL have to pay him, once he's under contract, whether he's hurt or the team's economics get out of whack. They simply do not have to pay him more than they are comfortable with paying him just to make him happy.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Getting a little dramatic, there, pardner.

Really? It's plausible. I didn't say likely, but it's plausible.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

have faith in Pritch! seriously, you've given him a pass this far, why not just keep it going.

 

[Sug]

So, can someone provide me the money quote from Roy that elevates this to a "Roy quite likely to do what he can to escape this cheap team" situation?

I didn't listen to the interview, but the posted recaps seemed pretty non-noteworthy.

Nope because that is total bullshit.

 

[Minstrel]

BRoy said no such thing. maxiep was fucking around.

But Brandon himself admitted that he's been frustrated with this situation.

I wasn't referring to maxiep's comments. I was referring to the rhetoric by PapaG and SodaPopinski and others that make this sound like a crisis situation.

Being frustrated over a negotiation is not particularly unusual. Kobe was "frustrated" several times. How many teams has he played for now?

 

[PapaG]

He can try to force a trade, no question. I can try to do a lot of things that I won't be able to do without someone else agreeing to it.

As for why have your all-star playing on a rookie deal and a QO for the next two years with no guarantee for the future? I dunno. Why doesn't he sign a four year deal now, if the guarantee is so critical?

Because he doesn't have to.

Similarly, neither do the Blazers.

The Blazers WILL have to pay him, once he's under contract, whether he's hurt or the team's economics get out of whack. They simply do not have to pay him more than they are comfortable with paying him just to make him happy.
Ed O.

Gee, no shit Ed. That's not the point though, and why wouldn't the team feel "comfortable" offering him 5 years when they are willing to offer Turkoglu 5. Explain that one.

 

[SodaPopinski]

BRoy said no such thing. maxiep was fucking around.

But Brandon himself admitted that he's been frustrated with this situation.

Brandon also said that he hasn't been involved with the recruitment of any free agents because it's hard for him to reconcile advocating for a guy to come to Portland to get paid for five years when he's only guaranteed for one.

 

[Minstrel]

That's your fault.

Indeed. Please forgive me. Now...what's the quote that shows Roy might be ready to hold out?

 

[alex42083]

have faith in Pritch! seriously, you've given him a pass this far, why not just keep it going.

Dude.. we get it now.

 

[PapaG]

I wasn't referring to maxiep's comments. I was referring to the rhetoric by PapaG and SodaPopinski and others that make this sound like a crisis situation.

Being frustrated over a negotiation is not particularly unusual. Kobe was "frustrated" several times. How many teams has he played for now?

Bryant wasn't frustrated in merely getting an extension. He was frustrated at the direction of his team. To have Brandon Roy basically begging for a 5-year contract is unjustifiable. Mock me all you want to, but there is no excuse for YEARS being the issue.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

I don't think people do. They are still defending KP's lack of being able to trade RLEC. They are still saying this cap is going to be useful later this year. What use is it if he completely destroys this team because of not re-extending Brandon Roy properly.

 

[Ed O]

Bullcrap. If the Blazers are going to treat him like this and have him unguaranteed for two more years, one on a rookie deal, Roy may as well become a hold-out and force a trade.

It's not bullcrap. He CANNOT leave the Blazers for the next two years unless they want him to. If he holds out then he's being an idiot because the team retains his rights.

IWhat I don't get is why you didn't criticize Hedo getting a 5-year offer.

It's all about leverage. Hedo could command a five year deal because if Portland didn't offer it to him then Toronto would. And did.

Roy has no options in the next two years. The CBA is stacked against him. If he wants to pout and stamp his feet, I don't blame him in the least--I EXPECT him to want max money and max years--and it doesn't mean that he's a bad guy or a selfish guy.

Similarly, if the Blazers are assuming a tough bargaining position TWO YEARS before he can leave? Then I don't assume that they're stupid or run by bad people. They want to control costs where they can so they can afford them where they cannot.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Indeed. Please forgive me. Now...what's the quote that shows Roy might be ready to hold out?

I never said he might be ready to hold out. I said he could hold out and demand a trade because, well, he could do that if he wanted to do that. No need to challenge me on things I never said, Minstrel.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Bryant wasn't frustrated in merely getting an extension. He was frustrated at the direction of his team. To have Brandon Roy basically begging for a 5-year contract is unjustifiable. Mock me all you want to, but there is no excuse for YEARS being the issue.

all it took to keep Kobe in LA was a Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol trade!

 

[SodaPopinski]

Mock me all you want to, but there is no excuse for YEARS being the issue.

EXACTLY!

To me, if you are trying to short change him on years, it's like telling him "Well, we want to maintain flexiblity just in case you aren't all we thought you would be by 2013."

That's a fucking disgrace to say to a guy who dragged this franchise back to relevance.

 

[PapaG]

It's not bullcrap. He CANNOT leave the Blazers for the next two years unless they want him to. If he holds out then he's being an idiot because the team retains his rights.



It's all about leverage. Hedo could command a five year deal because if Portland didn't offer it to him then Toronto would. And did.

Roy has no options in the next two years. The CBA is stacked against him. If he wants to pout and stamp his feet, I don't blame him in the least--I EXPECT him to want max money and max years--and it doesn't mean that he's a bad guy or a selfish guy.

Similarly, if the Blazers are assuming a tough bargaining position TWO YEARS before he can leave? Then I don't assume that they're stupid or run by bad people. They want to control costs where they can so they can afford them where they cannot.

Ed O.

If this is how the team is going to treat their top player since Clyde Drexler, why the hell would anyone want to play here? From a purely business perspective, I obviously can see the point of the Blazers. The problem is, this business doesn't make widgets, it deals with talented people, and when you insult talented people, they may look to take their talent elsewhere.

 

[Boob-No-More]

There can be only one possible explanation for Pritchard's behavior in these negotations: Vulcan Mind Meld

BNM

 

[Ed O]

I don't think people do. They are still defending KP's lack of being able to trade RLEC. They are still saying this cap is going to be useful later this year. What use is it if he completely destroys this team because of not re-extending Brandon Roy properly.

The thing is that it's not even the same people. I WANTED the Blazers to trade the RLEC. I WANT them to use their cap space to improve the team this summer. I'm a bit upset and worried that if we wait until the trade deadline the team will walk away emptyhanded.

But at the same time I am defending KP and the Blazers in this situation.

Blanket sarcasm and lumping a bunch of different viewpoints together isn't accurate or effective in doing anything other than making it look like you're not paying attention.

Ed O.

 

[alex42083]

Indeed. Please forgive me. Now...what's the quote that shows Roy might be ready to hold out?

No one said he's going to hold out. But he said it's 50/50 that he'd sign an extension as of the moment, and he's a little "frustrated" by it. And he can't do any recruiting for FAs, and he doesn't know if he wants to if he doesn't know if he'll be around.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

EXACTLY!

To me, if you are trying to short change him on years, it's like telling him "Well, we want to maintain flexiblity just in case you aren't all we thought you would be by 2013."

That's a fucking disgrace to say to a guy who dragged this franchise back to relevance.

But Pritch knows what he's doing.

This is what happens when you give people the benefit of the doubt and don't see what they're really doing, they fuck you over.

that's if this is all true and KPs fucking this team up as we speak.

 

[B-Roy]

This wouldn't be the first article he's published that turned out to be totally wrong.

Sometimes I think Quick (and others) say things like this just to watch us fans act like this.

So, the most likely explanation is that Quick is a lying little puke who has returned to his old habits of trying to undermine the team.

Sadly, that means the Millsap story is also probably bogus.

This team can't seem to buy a break this summer.

Good god people. Over react much? Since when do we take anything Jason Quick says as the gospel truth?

I can't believe all the people who are ready to string up Pritchard and believe he would fuck around with signing his star player- the all-star that made him a rock star of a GM. All because of totally unsubstantiated speculation from a reporter who has a history of getting stuff totally and completely wrong. Yeah, let's fire Kevin Pritchard because of something Jason "Fucking Dumb Ass" Quick wrote. God people around here have gotten desperate to the point of outright stupidity. Calm down and wait for the facts before jumping to unlikely conclusions based on speculation from a questionable source.

BNM

the same way it works when a "writer" says talks are stalled... just speculative hype/BS from those with a deadline.

basically he's looking down his nose at himself/hates his job. Poor poor Jason

STOMP

Come on, people. Fuck KP? Are you serious?

I SAY FUCK JASON QUICK!

Translation: a source that I don't find credible or with any veracity told me a rumor that I wanted to print as a story.

Unbelievable that so many jump to, "KP's an idiot", instead of considering the source.

Chill, this situation isn't even true. It IS from Quick after all.

 

[PapaG]

Brandon also said that he hasn't been involved with the recruitment of any free agents because it's hard for him to reconcile advocating for a guy to come to Portland to get paid for five years when he's only guaranteed for one.

Brilliant move, Blazers! A self-inflicted Pritchslap!

 

[Ed O]

If this is how the team is going to treat their top player since Clyde Drexler, why the hell would anyone want to play here? From a purely business perspective, I obviously can see the point of the Blazers. The problem is, this business doesn't make widgets, it deals with talented people, and when you insult talented people, they may look to take their talent elsewhere.

They just demonstrated they're willing to pay HEDO TURKOGLU a shitload of money... I don't think that free agents are going to be too worried about coming to Portland if the price is right.

They've re-signed Joel to a reasonable deal. They extended Webster. I don't think that in the current environment--where NO restricted free agents are getting even a sniff--players are so naive or simplistic to look at the Blazers' position and say anything other than "times are tough when even the BLAZERS are having to count their pennies".

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

Bryant wasn't frustrated in merely getting an extension. He was frustrated at the direction of his team. To have Brandon Roy basically begging for a 5-year contract is unjustifiable. Mock me all you want to, but there is no excuse for YEARS being the issue.

I didn't mock you, I think you're flying off the handle. That is, I disagree with your approach on this one...I'm not making fun of it, as far as I'm concerned.