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[PapaG]

Pop quiz: How many years did Chris Paul get at a max extension?

Answer: Four. Three year extension with a player option on the fourth year.

Ed O.

Pop Quiz: How many years did Paul ask for in his extension.

A: 4

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

PRITCH KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR THE BLAZERS

 

[Minstrel]

That's a hell of a way to keep All-Star talent happy.

Negotiating is all about making both sides happy. If and when Roy signs, he'll be happy. I believe in Portland making Roy happy, I'm just unconvinced that unless they make him happy RIGHT NOW, he's gone-zo.

Roy's agent: "30 year-old Hedo gets 5 years, but Brandon, you're only going to get 4 years in case you get hurt."

Unrestricted free agents have more pull than players who are locked up for two more seasons. It has nothing to do with their relative values as players. Roy and his agent likely understand that about leverage.

 

[andalusian]

I have no clue what the issues are - but I would be really disappointed if Roy is not extended quick. With that being said - since I have no clue what the real differences between them are - I am not ready to start choosing a bridge to jump from.

 

[alex42083]

Pop quiz: How many years did Chris Paul get at a max extension?

Answer: Four. Three year extension with a player option on the fourth year.

Ed O.

I'm pretty sure that's how he wanted it in case New Orleans wasn't going to be that good in four years with their penny-pinching owner, as well as getting a larger deal near the end of it. Brandon just wants the max years, which you'd think the team would rejoice in.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm saying if the organization treats Brandon like a static investment rather than a talented individual who is highly sought after in this industry, then they are gambling with the chance he could decide to go somewhere else where they will fully appreciate his talent. In other words, his loyalty to the Blazers will likely be frayed if they try to dick around.

I sincerely doubt he has "loyalty." It's not a family, it's a business. Roy is probably willing to stay in Portland because Portland can pay him the most. If this were baseball and Roy could rake in a pay-day by hitting the market as a UFA, I sincerely doubt that he'd be working on an extension now.

The key is to satisfy him financially, not to profess undying love for him.

 

[Ed O]

IIRC, it was Paul who wanted the 4 year deal.

Deron Williams? Four year maximum extension.

Andrew Bogut? Five year less-than-maximum extension.

Why should Brandon Roy get so much more than Chris Paul and Deron Williams?

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

I'm pretty sure that's how he wanted it in case New Orleans wasn't going to be that good in four years with their penny-pinching owner, as well as getting a larger deal near the end of it. Brandon just wants the max years, which you'd think the team would rejoice in.

I don't think the team would rejoice in the least. The economy sucks. The salary cap is going down quickly. The CBA is going to expire, and the next CBA will almost CERTAINLY be more strict re: contracts.

Why would the Blazers be overjoyed at locking themselves into the biggest possible contract?

Ed O.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Unrestricted free agents have more pull than players who are locked up for two more seasons.

I'm not sure where you are getting that he's "locked up" for two more seasons. He's under contract for this next year (2009-10), but then he becomes a restricted free agent the summer of 2010.

 

[Minstrel]

Wanting to stay for five yeasr, when in reality staying for three years would probably make more sense since the cap should be higher the next time he's up for free agency. That loyalty.

You're ignoring the value of security. Five years has value because it's a great hedge against something like an injury in his first game next season. Otherwise athletes would choose a steady stream of one-year deals, so they can immediately renegotiate a better deal the following year (at least through their primes).

 

[Minstrel]

I'm not sure where you are getting that he's "locked up" for two more seasons. He's under contract for this next year (2009-10), but then he becomes a restricted free agent the summer of 2010.

He can't leave in 2010, Portland has the right to match any offer.

 

[PapaG]

Negotiating is all about making both sides happy. If and when Roy signs, he'll be happy. I believe in Portland making Roy happy, I'm just unconvinced that unless they make him happy RIGHT NOW, he's gone-zo..

Not when another team will pay him the max as an RFA next summer. One way or another, Roy will get his money. May as well just max him now unless they plan on not matching next summer.

 

[Reep]

Why would the Blazers be overjoyed at locking themselves into the biggest possible contract?

Ed O.

They are feeling generous?


Next time you guys find a car you really like, just go pay sticker for it okay? If you are not willing to pay sticker then you must not really like the car.

It is so easy to criticize other people's spending habits.

 

[PapaG]

He can't leave in 2010, Portland has the right to match any offer.

Exactly, so when another team pays him the max as an RFA next summer, either Portland will match or let him go . One way or another, Roy will get his money. May as well just max him now unless they plan on not matching next summer. At the very least, Roy will get 5 years out of somebody at a near max deal. Boggles the mind.

 

[B-Roy]

Deron Williams? Four year maximum extension.

Andrew Bogut? Five year less-than-maximum extension.

Why should Brandon Roy get so much more than Chris Paul and Deron Williams?

Ed O.

Because he asked for it?

Williams and Paul asked for 4 year deals, I'm willing to bet the Jazz and Hornets would love to have signed them to 5 year deals.

 

[Minstrel]

Not when another team will pay him the max as an RFA next summer. One way or another, Roy will get his money. May as well just max him now unless they plan on not matching next summer.

He might accept a 4 year, max deal. If that's what the team wants and Roy accedes, then everyone is happy.

 

[Blaze01]

Maybe they can deal Roy for Chris Paul?

 

[alex42083]

I don't think the team would rejoice in the least. The economy sucks. The salary cap is going down quickly. The CBA is going to expire, and the next CBA will almost CERTAINLY be more strict re: contracts.

Why would the Blazers be overjoyed at locking themselves into the biggest possible contract?

Ed O.

Why were we willing to offer Hedo Turkoglu 5 years, $50 million? Was he going to replace Brandon's salary slot on the books?

 

[PapaG]

Originally Posted by Ed O
Why would the Blazers be overjoyed at locking themselves into the biggest possible contract?

Ed O..

Roy will get a 5 year max deal from somebody next summer if he doesn't sign an extension. Roy will play all of next year non-guaranteed, and then the Blazers will match and say "sorry Brandon about having this hang over our heads all year."

The more I think about it, the less sense it makes.

 

[PapaG]

He might accept a 4 year, max deal. If that's what the team wants and Roy accedes, then everyone is happy.

He wants 5 years. He has no reason to sign a 4 year deal when he'll get 5 years from somebody next year. Then, either the Blazers match, or they don't. Seems like a lot of unnecessary antimosity from the team to their franchise player if that happens.

 

[Reep]

Roy will get a 5 year max deal from somebody next summer if he doesn't sign an extension. Roy will play all of next year non-guaranteed, and then the Blazers will match and say "sorry Brandon about having this hang over our heads all year."

The more I think about it, the less sense it makes.

Roy will not play next year without an extension (meaning he will sign one, not that he won't play). The risks are way too great. They have until October 31. You have two experienced negotiators who have worked together before. It won't happen right away, but it will happen in time.

 

[Ed O]

Why were we willing to offer Hedo Turkoglu 5 years, $50 million? Was he going to replace Brandon's salary slot on the books?

No. There are no salary slots under the current CBA.

We were willing to offer Hedo $50m because we wanted to get him on the team and that's what it was going to take (or as high as the team was willing to go).

With Roy, when he has two more years (at least) under contract with the Blazers, there is certainly justification for not giving Roy a blank check.

Ed O.

 

[Reep]

Maybe they can deal Roy for Chris Paul?

Wouldn't that be interesting. I know it isn't happening, but that would solve the Rudy issues.

CP3
Rudy
Batum
LMA
Oden

Would look pretty sweet.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

If I was Roy, I would wonder if the Blazers are committed to winning. Forget how much they preach it, it looks like Blazers have gone small market mentality lately. They allowed themselves to get outbid for Turk, they haven't locked down the face of the franchise, they let Raef's contract expire without utilizing it.

Have the Blazers gone cheap?

 

[Minstrel]

He wants 5 years. He has no reason to sign a 4 year deal when he'll get 5 years from somebody next year. Then, either the Blazers match, or they don't. Seems like a lot of unnecessary antimosity from the team to their franchise player if that happens.

I guess we'll see. I have no idea what the negotiations actually look like, what exactly Portland is asking for and what exactly Roy is looking for, so I can't comment on who's being most reasonable. I am not philosophically opposed to teams negotiating, even with great young players.

Ultimately, I think the overwhelming likelihood is that Roy is in Portland long-term and that Roy will be paid extremely well, so I can't really get that upset. Just seems like a lot of anger (on the forum in general, not aiming that at you) over something that will probably not alter the course of the franchise or Roy's life all that much in the end.

 

[PapaG]

Roy will not play next year without an extension (meaning he will sign one, not that he won't play). The risks are way too great. They have until October 31. You have two experienced negotiators who have worked together before. It won't happen right away, but it will happen in time.

Or he'll demand a trade before camp/hold out of camp. Both of which I'd advise my client to do if I knew somebody will give him a 5-year max deal as an RFA and I'm not signed by October 31.

 

[illmatic99]

If I was Roy, I would wonder if the Blazers are committed to winning. Forget how much they preach it, it looks like Blazers have gone small market mentality lately. They allowed themselves to get outbid for Turk, they haven't locked down the face of the franchise, they let Raef's contract expire without utilizing it.

Have the Blazers gone cheap?

This sort of stuff is right along the lines of something Elgin Baylor or Chris Wallace would do. That's so sad.

 

[andalusian]

Why were we willing to offer Hedo Turkoglu 5 years, $50 million? Was he going to replace Brandon's salary slot on the books?

How do we know that it was 5 years, guaranteed? What if the Blazers offered 3 years and 2 more years with a team option? or 4 years guaranteed with a 1 year team option?

Maybe this is what they offer Roy as well - 4 + 1 - and he wants 5 guaranteed, or maybe they offer 5 guaranteed and he wants 4+1 with an early termination option for himself?

 

[Reep]

With Roy, when he has two more years (at least) under contract with the Blazers, there is certainly justification for not giving Roy a blank check.

Ed O.

I forgot about the qualifying offer year. So, Roy would have to play two seasons at risk. The only players I have ever seen do that are ones that really want to get out of town. Roy doesn't appear to fit in with them.

 

[PapaG]

No. There are no salary slots under the current CBA.

We were willing to offer Hedo $50m because we wanted to get him on the team and that's what it was going to take (or as high as the team was willing to go).

With Roy, when he has two more years (at least) under contract with the Blazers, there is certainly justification for not giving Roy a blank check.

Ed O.

I thought he could become an RFA next year regardless of being offered a QO?