BRoy interview coming up live (MERGED)

[The_Lillard_King]

How do you know it's an issue when all signs pointing toward these contract extension talks continuing to be dragged out for our franchise player are being painted by people with a financial interest in getting the largest and longest contract possible?

Blazers also have a finacial interest in this negotations . . . I guess we can't trust what the agent say, waht Roy says or what KP says about the contract extention talks

 

[BlazerWookee]

(A) Did you listen to the Roy interview?

(B) Is 25 year-old, 2nd team All-NBA, two-time All-Star Brandon Roy worth a 5-year max contract?

I'm a yes on (A), and a HELL YES on (B). I side with the Blazers on pretty much everything, including their lack of moves in the past year, but this one? I can't do it. My Kool-Aid isn't THAT strong of a batch.

It's been less than a week, for Christ's sake. If a deal hasn't been signed by August 1st, I might get a little bit worried. Lamarcus may hold a grudge about not being given his first asking price, but Brandon certainly won't.

 

[PapaG]

Why? You said that he'll definitely be offered a 5 year, max deal next season as an RFA. Portland just has to match and they have him for 5 more years.

Or, you're placing the "risk" on him holding out and forcing a trade? So why did you claim I "challenged you on something you didn't say" when I attributed to you the belief that Roy "might" hold out and force a trade?

You asked where Roy said he may hold out. I merely gave options of what Roy may decide to do to maximize his leverage. He "might" decide to do that, other players have, so to say there is "ZERO RISK" is false IMO.

 

[Minstrel]

You asked where Roy said he may hold out. I merely gave options of what Roy may decide to do to maximize his leverage. He "might" decide to do that, other players have, so to say there is "ZERO RISK" is false IMO.

Nothing has a zero possibility, not even New Orleans trading Chris Paul to Portland for Bayless and Fernandez. But many things are close enough to zero that it's reasonable to call it "zero." I think the chances that Roy will hold out and demand a trade, because Portland offered 4 years instead of 5, qualifies under that.

 

[PapaG]

Re: BRoy interview coming up live (MERGED)

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Minstrel said:

Indeed. Please forgive me. Now...what's the quote that shows Roy might be ready to hold out?

Did somebody mention a strawman?

 

[alex42083]

Quick is going a little bit far with his theory that Paul Allen is getting mentally ill or unstable or sick.

 

[illmatic99]

Quick making this seem doom and gloom big time on 1080, says Roy's feelings are hurt..kp is dropping the fucking ball..strike 1

There's nothing for Quick to "make it seem..." BRoy already did that.

 

[PapaG]

Nothing has a zero possibility, not even New Orleans trading Chris Paul to Portland for Bayless and Fernandez. But many things are close enough to zero that it's reasonable to call it "zero." I think the chances that Roy will hold out and demand a trade, because Portland offered 4 years instead of 5, qualifies under that.

That still doesn't mean there is "zero risk". Thanks for proving my point.

 

[BlazerWookee]

All right man.. just keep pretending everything is all rosy around here, and we've been adhering to Plan A this entire offseason, KP is getting exactly what he's wanted so far, and everyone is happy and there are no issues.

Hyperconclusionarianism can be fun!

Everything may not be rosy, but it's certainly not covered in horse shit, either. We're probably on about Plan D or E. KP wanted Hedo, and in hindsight, is relieved (as am I) that he didn't get him because now we know that Hedo doesn't care anywhere near as much about being on a winning team as he cares about getting paid. Everyone is happy, including Brandon. There are varying degrees to happiness, you know. There are indeed issues, but none that can't be worked through amicably.

 

[PapaG]

Quick is going a little bit far with his theory that Paul Allen is getting mentally ill or unstable or sick.

Give me a week, I may agree with him. Can Qyntel Woods still be maxed?

 

[Minstrel]

Did somebody mention a strawman?

No, that seems pretty valid. You do think Roy might be ready to hold out. I wanted to know what quote from the interview made you feel that way.

 

[Minstrel]

That still doesn't mean there is "zero risk". Thanks for proving my point.

Essentially zero. Are you trying to argue anything serious, or just amusing yourself with a silly semantic jihad? Either one is cool.

 

[PapaG]

No, that seems pretty valid. You do think Roy might be ready to hold out. I wanted to know what quote from the interview made you feel that way.

No, I said he might hold out. Not that he might be ready to hold out. Please stop making up what I have posted.

 

[PapaG]

Essentially zero. Are you trying to argue anything serious, or just amusing yourself with a silly semantic jihad? Either one is cool.

No player has ever demanded a trade before. As for semantics, I'm actually being quite literal. You seem to be taking liberty with what is posted.

 

[Minstrel]

No, I said he might hold out. Not that he might be ready to hold out. Please stop making up what I have posted.

Semantic jihads ftw.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Essentially zero. Are you trying to argue anything serious, or just amusing yourself with a silly semantic jihad? Either one is cool.

"Semantic jihad." I love that phrase, Minstrel.

 

[Minstrel]

No player has ever demanded a trade before.

Not because they were offered a 4 year max deal instead of a 5 year max deal, correct. Glad we agree!

 

[ABM]

Roy Interview - Audio

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm not personally attacking the posters who thought the story was false.

It just goes to show people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of where the stories are coming from.

Perhaps that's part of it, but for me, it was a function of the track record of the source of the information. It's like the little boy who cried wolf. Quick was embarrassingly wrong so many times in the past, now that he gets one right, nobody was willing to believe him.

I may give him a little more benefit in the future, but I will still wait for conformation from another source before I get too worked up over any rumors he breaks.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

Semantic jihads ftw.

might hold out =/ might be ready to hold out

 

[Ed O]

Roy will get a 5 year max deal from somebody next summer if he doesn't sign an extension. Roy will play all of next year non-guaranteed, and then the Blazers will match and say "sorry Brandon about having this hang over our heads all year."

The more I think about it, the less sense it makes.

Actually Portland would save MILLIONS in that situation.

	        1	        2	        3	        4	        5		raise	Total		
5 yr max ext	13520000	14939600	16359200	17778800	19198400	1419600	81796000
4 yr max ext	13520000	14939600	16359200	17778800			1419600	62597600
5 yr off sheet	12500000	13500000	14500000	15500000	16500000	1000000	72500000

The maximum salary next year dips about $250k to $13,520,000. If the salary cap goes down to about $50m, then the maximum salary would dip about another million (when the salary cap was $49.5m in 2005-06, the maximum salary for 0-6 was $12m, so I gave another $500k cushion).

In addition to the lower starting salary, rasises are restricted to 8% when another team gives an offer sheet, rather than the 10.5% the Blazers can offer in an extension.

Portland would still end up paying $10m more by matching a max 5 year offer sheet, but they would save themselves almost $10m by giving him a 5 year max deal themselves.

Ed O.

 

[LittleAlex]

This is obscene.

I don't care if people are being rational about the money.

Fuck that.

I bought season tickets because they drafted Roy. He has gotten better every year, even when I wasn't sure he could. He is, hands down, my favorite Blazer of all time. Humble, poised, talented he is everything the team wasn't during the Jail Blazer era.

He has put himself out into the public when he is a private individual at the team's request. He has done everything he could to erase the bad times from the cities memory.

If he doesn't deserve a max deal from this team, then I don't know who would.

I am sickened that any Blazer fan would feel otherwise.

 

[ant]

You're sickened?

 

[RoyToy]

I really don't think this is KP's doing. It has to be someone above him.

Most GMs in any sport, when they find an absolute diamond in a draft, do their best to keep him because the player makes them look extremely good. I can't imagine KP would try and be cheap, especially with Roy.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but this contract could have been devised and drawn up months ago. There's nothing NEW to figure out at this point. I can understand a bit of a give-and-take with LaMarcus, but this is our franchise player who has earned this team way more money than they could ever dream of paying him back.

No reason to be tightwads. Absolutely none.

I'm pretty sure that the blazers as a business have been in the red several years now, and you can't think of a reason to be careful about negotiating 10s of millions of dollars sized contracts?

It seems to me that
1) Brandon hasn't been involved in contract negotiations before and doesn't know this is standard stuff. I doubt he has actually talked to KP, he's probably just listening to what his agent says. I don't particularly trust agents, so it is not surprising he's frustrated.

2) If we all (me included) checked this DAMN, ADDICTING message board once a week instead of 8 times/day, then we wouldn't think that this is a big deal.

3) This isn't really news, bring on summer league (Monday)!

 

[PapaG]

I really don't think this is KP's doing. It has to be someone above him.

Most GMs in any sport, when they find an absolute diamond in a draft, do their best to keep him because the player makes them look extremely good. I can't imagine KP would try and be cheap, especially with Roy.

I completely agree with this, but it makes one wonder what is going on when Leiweke is talking about Paul Allen "subsidizing" the team, and then Roy is being lowballed.

 

[LittleAlex]

You're sickened?

Yeah. I take this sort of thing pretty personally.

Having my favorite team jerk with my favorite player makes me feel sick inside.

Having other "fans" believe that is ok makes me feel worse.

 

[STOMP]

This has nothing to do with emotional attachment. It is a basketball and a business decision. The basketball side, he is far and away the best player on the team. The business side, imagine the backlash if Roy walks away from the team. I wouldn't attend one more Blazer game until KP was fired if that happened. I would not be the only one.

oh the horror, would you promise not to post here as well?

deep breaths, in through the nose out through the mouth.... we're going to get through this trying time together. I'd imagine that the guy who drafted him (despite loud whining from most of this board) probably still recognizes Roy's value and will have him inked shortly... like he recently has promised will happen. Then the contingent can get on to freaking out over the next unsettled matter.

STOMP

 

[Minstrel]

might hold out =/ might be ready to hold out

Seems close enough to me, even if one has a few more words in it.

If you feel one is radically different than the other, though, we'll have to just leave it, I s'ppose. Doesn't seem important enough to argue at length over the precise difference.

 

[Minstrel]

Having my favorite team jerk with my favorite player makes me feel sick inside.

Even if it's a pretty typical negotiation? Brandon being "frustrated" sickens you to your stomach? That seems like...a large reaction.

I wouldn't call negotiating over a 4 year max contract vs. a 5 year max contract "jerking" anyone around.