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Neil is a good GM, he won't make a dumb trade like Trob for Budinger.

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magnifier661 said:
Yeah it's pretty ridiculous that anyone would make such a comment without even able to back it up
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It's pretty ridiculous for you to assume I wouldn't be able to name 10 better SGs, then declare victory before even hearing my response.

Afflalo, Beal, Thompson, Ellis, DeRozan, Wade, Harden, Butler, Bryant, Johnson. And if you look at post all-star numbers, Dion Waiters.

Besides what does being "top 10" have to do with making 10 million a year anyway? Your argument doesn't even support your point.

Here's a list of some pretty good players making under 10 mil. You could make a good case for all these guys being "top 10".

Demar Deronzan, Thaddeus Young, Luol Deng, Mike Conley, Ryan Anderson, Monta Ellis, Dirk Nowitski, Arron Afflalo, Goran Dragic...
 
Wes is a way better 2 guard than Klay Thompson. Thompson is a shooter. Doesn't rebound or pass well and has shabby defensive skills. Wes wins hands down. Underrated 2 guard. Thompson is overrated from what I see.
 
The statement was top 10. That IMO fits Wesley Mathews. Is he the best? Some nights he is! Is he the worst? Never. Top 10 in the league fits him well. Now if you only go by stats you might be able to prove otherwise but if you look at complete game, defense included? You have a top 10 shooting guard.
 
Wes and Batum are always called good defenders, and yet our defense is not good and allows a lot of penetration. Some of that is scheme. I can see that Wes is a good post defender but have never seen anything above average in his perimeter defense. Same with Batum, he has long arms and is good and blocking shots from behind so he got a rep of "good defender"
 
Sinobas said:
Wes and Batum are always called good defenders, and yet our defense is not good and allows a lot of penetration. Some of that is scheme. I can see that Wes is a good post defender but have never seen anything above average in his perimeter defense. Same with Batum, he has long arms and is good and blocking shots from behind so he got a rep of "good defender"
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Well he sure contained James Hardin on the perimeter quite a few times
 
Sinobas said:
Wes and Batum are always called good defenders, and yet our defense is not good and allows a lot of penetration. Some of that is scheme. I can see that Wes is a good post defender but have never seen anything above average in his perimeter defense. Same with Batum, he has long arms and is good and blocking shots from behind so he got a rep of "good defender"
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I don't know about all that bro.... Nic guards the best wing players in the league night in and night out. When they play against awesome talent at the guard position it is Wes that takes on the challenge. Defense is the hardest part of the game. Depth makes for better team defense. The Blazers have lacked depth. Take note this year will be different. Many very knowledgeable people say Wes is a great defender. Including Me.
 
riverman said:
Well he sure contained James Hardin on the perimeter quite a few times
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To be fair, the ones I remember the most from Wes/Harden are in the post. Though I do remember the Harden flops he'd try to pull on the perimeter. So Wes, on the perimeter, is great at not picking up cheap fouls. So, that's good.
 
Sinobas said:
It's pretty ridiculous for you to assume I wouldn't be able to name 10 better SGs, then declare victory before even hearing my response.

Afflalo, Beal, Thompson, Ellis, DeRozan, Wade, Harden, Butler, Bryant, Johnson. And if you look at post all-star numbers, Dion Waiters.

Besides what does being "top 10" have to do with making 10 million a year anyway? Your argument doesn't even support your point.

Here's a list of some pretty good players making under 10 mil. You could make a good case for all these guys being "top 10".

Demar Deronzan, Thaddeus Young, Luol Deng, Mike Conley, Ryan Anderson, Monta Ellis, Dirk Nowitski, Arron Afflalo, Goran Dragic...
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Take off affalo, waiters, and Beal. The rest are fine. So like I said, name 10 players better than Matthews at SG. Naming other position players means shit to the argument. As for the 10 mil per, that wasn't my argument, but it seems you just skimmed through the reply.
 
Sinobas said:
Wes and Batum are always called good defenders, and yet our defense is not good and allows a lot of penetration. Some of that is scheme. I can see that Wes is a good post defender but have never seen anything above average in his perimeter defense. Same with Batum, he has long arms and is good and blocking shots from behind so he got a rep of "good defender"
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Good defense is a team skill. It takes everyone being on the same page. You'll notice a lot of talk about the Spurs defense, more so than Parker or Ginobli's defense.
 
Sinobas said:
It's pretty ridiculous for you to assume I wouldn't be able to name 10 better SGs, then declare victory before even hearing my response.

Afflalo, Beal, Thompson, Ellis, DeRozan, Wade, Harden, Butler, Bryant, Johnson. And if you look at post all-star numbers, Dion Waiters.

Besides what does being "top 10" have to do with making 10 million a year anyway? Your argument doesn't even support your point.

Here's a list of some pretty good players making under 10 mil. You could make a good case for all these guys being "top 10".

Demar Deronzan, Thaddeus Young, Luol Deng, Mike Conley, Ryan Anderson, Monta Ellis, Dirk Nowitski, Arron Afflalo, Goran Dragic...
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I'd like to state for the record that he quoted BGD, who I was saying couldn't name 10 top SG over Wes... So..
 
BGD said Wes was a top 10 SG, the Mags agreed and challenged me to name 10 that are better. I don't know if all the guys I listed are better, but I think Wes is "good" but not really a franchise changer. You plug him in and feel like SG isn't a weakness but he won't change the fortunes of a team.

There are 59 players in the nba right now making 8 digits. So that's an average of 2 per team. Are the Blazers going to pay their whole starting lineup 8 digits?
 
Sinobas said:
BGD said Wes was a top 10 SG, the Mags agreed and challenged me to name 10 that are better. I don't know if all the guys I listed are better, but I think Wes is "good" but not really a franchise changer. You plug him in and feel like SG isn't a weakness but he won't change the fortunes of a team.

There are 59 players in the nba right now making 8 digits. So that's an average of 2 per team. Are the Blazers going to pay their whole starting lineup 8 digits?
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how do you assume mags challenged you to do it?
 
Sinobas said:
BGD said Wes was a top 10 SG, the Mags agreed and challenged me to name 10 that are better. I don't know if all the guys I listed are better, but I think Wes is "good" but not really a franchise changer. You plug him in and feel like SG isn't a weakness but he won't change the fortunes of a team.

There are 59 players in the nba right now making 8 digits. So that's an average of 2 per team. Are the Blazers going to pay their whole starting lineup 8 digits?
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I didn't challenge you lmao! Read back on who I replied to. Regardless, matthews is averaging 16 points on a team with 2 20+ scorers. He plays within the system and doesn't go out of control and play hero ball.
 
magnifier661 said:
I didn't challenge you lmao! Read back on who I replied to. Regardless, matthews is averaging 16 points on a team with 2 20+ scorers. He plays within the system and doesn't go out of control and play hero ball.
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BGD said Wesley Matthews was a top 10 SG, so why would you challenge him to name 10 SGs that are better? BGD said he was a top 10 SG in response to me questioning whether he was worth 10 mil a year, so why should I not have thought your comment was addressed to me? Your comment would have made no sense being addressed to BGD.
 
Sinobas said:
BGD said Wesley Matthews was a top 10 SG, so why would you challenge him to name 10 SGs that are better? BGD said he was a top 10 SG in response to me questioning whether he was worth 10 mil a year, so why should I not have thought your comment was addressed to me? Your comment would have made no sense being addressed to BGD.
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Because he said it as a joke. If you've been paying attention to him, he mocks McCollum and Matthews. He would rather have Vince Carter or Melo. He's a superstar chaser. Fact is, both those players never could lead their team to anything too successful.

Mathews, on the other hand, is a team player. A role player that doesn't require "shots" to be effective.
 
BGD was actually trying to be witty. He doesn't believe Wes is one. It is just his mantra he throws out cus most others do believe Wes is (which has more to do about the NBA SG talent currently then Wes)
 
Sinobas said:
BGD said Wes was a top 10 SG, the Mags agreed and challenged me to name 10 that are better. I don't know if all the guys I listed are better, but I think Wes is "good" but not really a franchise changer. You plug him in and feel like SG isn't a weakness but he won't change the fortunes of a team.

There are 59 players in the nba right now making 8 digits. So that's an average of 2 per team. Are the Blazers going to pay their whole starting lineup 8 digits?
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Umm... no he didn't. he never did.

Edit: Ahh, saw it got cleared up.
 
Robinson is healthy and yet he has barely played this pre-season.

Going into the fourth quarter in another blowout and he has yet to step on the court.
 
He finally enters this blowout with 3 min. left.

He came in around the same time in the 40 pt. blowout of Macabi.
 
It seems that Stotts has him as a 3rd stringer.
 
This is the fourth straight game where T-Rob has a DNPCD or garbage minutes.

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Fez Hammersticks said:
This is the fourth straight game where T-Rob has a DNPCD or garbage minutes.

:MARIS61:
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I made a comment last night that I felt he took a step back. He doesnt seem to be in the shape this year as he was last season so far. This shows within his game speed and alertness on the court.That's the antithesis on how I feel about Meyers so far. Meyers game speed is ahead of Thomas's which is why I think he is ahead of him off the bench. Meyers look better and improved.
 
I am impressed with how fast Leonard can run the length of a court. Guy is maybe the fastest 7 footer around
 
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