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Lanny said:
Holy cow, you gonna have central air as well as plumbing and lighting?
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You kid, but plumbing was considered.

We are going to put some lights up once we get shingles up on the roof. This wind certainly didn't make yesterday conducive to that activity.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
You kid, but plumbing was considered.

We are going to put some lights up once we get shingles up on the roof. This wind certainly didn't make yesterday conducive to that activity.
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very nice....sort of like a yome. Are you going to have drop down canvas sides?
 
Hoopguru said:
very nice....sort of like a yome. Are you going to have drop down canvas sides?
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We have a couple mesh sunshades for the south and west sides. Eventually we'll screen in all the walls, but that's in process.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
We are going to put some lights up once we get shingles up on the roof. This wind certainly didn't make yesterday conducive to that activity.
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if you have the room in your electrical panel and can afford an electrician, you might consider a dedicated circuit for the building. That would allow for some future electrical in your yard as well. A 50 amp circuit would be nice but you can get by with 30 amp

as the homeowner you can do the electrical yourself, but I wouldn't recommend it. Of course, a licensed electrician would probably need to pull a permit
 
You'll need plumbing for the bathroom and kitchen, too. Probably better to stub those in now rather than wait till you have the drywall in.

barfo
 
barfo said:
You'll need plumbing for the bathroom and kitchen, too. Probably better to stub those in now rather than wait till you have the drywall in.

barfo
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yeah, and don't forget the low voltage stuff either....cable and internet. Maybe a central vac system too. Security system and a safe room shouldn't be too far down the list either. And I haven't seen the stairs down to the man cave, but maybe that's reached by elevator
 
wizenheimer said:
if you have the room in your electrical panel and can afford an electrician, you might consider a dedicated circuit for the building. That would allow for some future electrical in your yard as well. A 50 amp circuit would be nice but you can get by with 30 amp

as the homeowner you can do the electrical yourself, but I wouldn't recommend it. Of course, a licensed electrician would probably need to pull a permit
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wizenheimer said:
if you have the room in your electrical panel and can afford an electrician, you might consider a dedicated circuit for the building. That would allow for some future electrical in your yard as well. A 50 amp circuit would be nice but you can get by with 30 amp

as the homeowner you can do the electrical yourself, but I wouldn't recommend it. Of course, a licensed electrician would probably need to pull a permit
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Unless they changed the building codes in Washington and Oregon the homeowner can obtain the permit himself and/or do his own work. I can tell you why this was included in the building code if anyone is interested.
 
Hoopguru said:
very nice....sort of like a yome. Are you going to have drop down canvas sides?
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Don't know what a yome is. Is it anything like a yurt?
 
barfo said:
You'll need plumbing for the bathroom and kitchen, too. Probably better to stub those in now rather than wait till you have the drywall in.

barfo
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Don't forget the bonus room and the basement. Of course you'll need to pump up the sewage from the basement to the ground level to connect into the brand new cast iron drain out to city sewer. Did I mention bathrooms or central air?
 
Lanny said:
Unless they changed the building codes in Washington and Oregon the homeowner can obtain the permit himself and/or do his own work. I can tell you why this was included in the building code if anyone is interested.
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that's why I said he could do the work himself as the homeowner
 
Lanny said:
That's not why you said the electrician must take out the permit.
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uuuhh....I didn't really say why. I was just assuming people understood that obtaining an electrical permit was the law. Licensed electricians 'must' obtain an electrical permit because it's the law and not doing so can jeopardize their license as well as expose them to other legal issues. They are the only people, other than homeowners who live in their homes, who can legally add new or alter existing permanent wiring or devices. But even homeowners are 'required' to get a permit, even though that often doesn't happen. The biggest threat to homeowners would be a fire or other damage caused by faulty electrical work and materials. That could void any coverage by your homeowners insurance. I've known of a couple of homeowners who didn't get a permit for electrical work, had substantial fires as a result of that work (maybe); were investigated by their insurance companies, and ended up holding the bag for thousands of dollars worth of fire damage, while having their policy cancelled.
 
wizenheimer said:
uuuhh....I didn't really say why. I was just assuming people understood that obtaining an electrical permit was the law. Licensed electricians 'must' obtain an electrical permit because it's the law and not doing so can jeopardize their license as well as expose them to other legal issues. They are the only people, other than homeowners who live in their homes, who can legally add new or alter existing permanent wiring or devices. But even homeowners are 'required' to get a permit, even though that often doesn't happen. The biggest threat to homeowners would be a fire or other damage caused by faulty electrical work and materials. That could void any coverage by your homeowners insurance. I've known of a couple of homeowners who didn't get a permit for electrical work, had substantial fires as a result of that work (maybe); were investigated by their insurance companies, and ended up holding the bag for thousands of dollars worth of fire damage, while having their policy cancelled.
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You've made my point so I see no further need to quibble about something that is nothing more than a misunderstanding.
 
Lanny said:
You've made my point so I see no further need to quibble about something that is nothing more than a misunderstanding.
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You really don't understand the purpose of S2, do you?

barfo
 
barfo said:
You really don't understand the purpose of S2, do you?

barfo
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You do an excellent job of reminding me by your actions.
You are on a rung just below Sly.
 
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wizenheimer said:
if you have the room in your electrical panel and can afford an electrician, you might consider a dedicated circuit for the building. That would allow for some future electrical in your yard as well. A 50 amp circuit would be nice but you can get by with 30 amp

as the homeowner you can do the electrical yourself, but I wouldn't recommend it. Of course, a licensed electrician would probably need to pull a permit
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As a professional I can speak with authority on this subject when I say the homeowner can do the work but you are required to get a permit. I've done electrical work on my home but I did take out a permit. The building inspector will happily assist you in getting it right.
 
How did this turn out, @PtldPlatypus ?

The reason I ask is because I'm planning a few backyard projects this summer and remembered that there's a thread somewhere for that. Can't believe we never got a finished photo.

Summer 2024 Backyard Goals
Reside shed
Resod backyard
Repair Fence/Gates
20x20 paver patio with walkways

We bought the house in spring of 2023 so we have been focusing our efforts on the inside this last year. We definitely feel at home but are excited to put our fingerprint on the landscaping.

Anybody else have summer projects planned?
 
Shaboid said:
How did this turn out, @PtldPlatypus ?

The reason I ask is because I'm planning a few backyard projects this summer and remembered that there's a thread somewhere for that. Can't believe we never got a finished photo.

Summer 2024 Backyard Goals
Reside shed
Resod backyard
Repair Fence/Gates
20x20 paver patio with walkways

We bought the house in spring of 2023 so we have been focusing our efforts on the inside this last year. We definitely feel at home but are excited to put our fingerprint on the landscaping.

Anybody else have summer projects planned?
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Some unsolicited advice.....a few years back we replaced our concrete patio with pavers. Turned out beautifully and in general we have been very happy. But.......not sure what if anything you currently have in place but a paver patio drains VERY differently than a concrete slab. Slabs are built with a slope for run off. A paver patio is flat, with drainage through the seams. You will also get moss and other plant growth in those seams that will need to be physically removed annually (they make a nifty little tool for that). Moss X, etc is only a very temporary fix. And you can't pressure wash a paver patio because you'll blow the sand out of the seams. I had given thought to a stamped concrete design (to look like cobblestones/pavers) but lazily thought it would be too expensive so I didn't pursue it. In hindsight I think the price would have been in the same ballpark as the pavers. We had the stamped concrete at our last house and it was great stuff.

Anyway.......just wanted you to be aware of what you will be experiencing. I'm always tickled with how my patio looks when I get it cleaned up, but it is a process. And it is much more involved than simply pressure washing concrete. But they sure do look nice when they are all spiffed up......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Some unsolicited advice.....a few years back we replaced our concrete patio with pavers. Turned out beautifully and in general we have been very happy. But.......not sure what if anything you currently have in place but a paver patio drains VERY differently than a concrete slab. Slabs are built with a slope for run off. A paver patio is flat, with drainage through the seams. You will also get moss and other plant growth in those seams that will need to be physically removed annually (they make a nifty little tool for that). Moss X, etc is only a very temporary fix. And you can't pressure wash a paver patio because you'll blow the sand out of the seams. I had given thought to a stamped concrete design (to look like cobblestones/pavers) but lazily thought it would be too expensive so I didn't pursue it. In hindsight I think the price would have been in the same ballpark as the pavers. We had the stamped concrete at our last house and it was great stuff.

Anyway.......just wanted you to be aware of what you will be experiencing. I'm always tickled with how my patio looks when I get it cleaned up, but it is a process. And it is much more involved than simply pressure washing concrete. But they sure do look nice when they are all spiffed up......
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I've considered just poured concrete too, but I feel like I'll get a better resale on the house with pavers. Luckily my family is bringing a tractor over from central Oregon in May and I'll have some time with it to dig it to proper depth and make sure drainage is addressed. I am interested in that tool though, because cleanup is definitely a concern. They sell it at my local Ace, I imagine?
 
This is an example. You can also get them (or similar) through Home Depot, Amazon etc. But make damn sure you're ordering the long handled version. If you end up with the 16' handle you'll spend a great deal of painful time on your knees.......the wire brush wears out after a year or two but they're a handy little toy. I now have a routine where starting March(ish) I'll go out for a bowl, and then spend some time "picking seams" while I "air out" before going back in. By the time the warmer weather rolls around in late April or early May, the seams are all cleaned out and the patio is ready to be cleaned with 30 Seconds (great stuff. Makes the pavers look brand new). It's not a one day project, unless you're a serious glutton for punishment........

https://www.zoro.com/bon-tool-bon-2...h-1-12-wire-with-16-handle-21-168/i/G1840773/

Edit. Oops, thought I was sending the link to the longer handled one. Sorry. But Bon sells them both.
 
Shaboid said:
How did this turn out, @PtldPlatypus ?

The reason I ask is because I'm planning a few backyard projects this summer and remembered that there's a thread somewhere for that. Can't believe we never got a finished photo.

Summer 2024 Backyard Goals
Reside shed
Resod backyard
Repair Fence/Gates
20x20 paver patio with walkways

We bought the house in spring of 2023 so we have been focusing our efforts on the inside this last year. We definitely feel at home but are excited to put our fingerprint on the landscaping.

Anybody else have summer projects planned?
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All in all, turned out pretty well. This past spring we were able to host a bridal shower for our daughter in our backyard with the gazebo as a central feature. (I also built a few large picnic tables that came in quite handy)

Unfortunately it also doubles as a workshop as often as not (especially in winter), so right now my table saw, miter saw, and quite a bit a sawdust render it not photo worthy. But 3 1/2 years in it's still solid and functional, and most importantly it makes my wife happy.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Some unsolicited advice.....a few years back we replaced our concrete patio with pavers. Turned out beautifully and in general we have been very happy. But.......not sure what if anything you currently have in place but a paver patio drains VERY differently than a concrete slab. Slabs are built with a slope for run off. A paver patio is flat, with drainage through the seams. You will also get moss and other plant growth in those seams that will need to be physically removed annually (they make a nifty little tool for that). Moss X, etc is only a very temporary fix. And you can't pressure wash a paver patio because you'll blow the sand out of the seams. I had given thought to a stamped concrete design (to look like cobblestones/pavers) but lazily thought it would be too expensive so I didn't pursue it. In hindsight I think the price would have been in the same ballpark as the pavers. We had the stamped concrete at our last house and it was great stuff.

Anyway.......just wanted you to be aware of what you will be experiencing. I'm always tickled with how my patio looks when I get it cleaned up, but it is a process. And it is much more involved than simply pressure washing concrete. But they sure do look nice when they are all spiffed up......
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Some unsolicited advice.... It's much easier to pull up a few pavers and hide the body than it is to pour a slab over one.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Some unsolicited advice.... It's much easier to pull up a few pavers and hide the body than it is to pour a slab over one.
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Pouring a slab is easy, it's breaking one apart that is hard.

Also, whatever method you use,. remember to tell the kids the doggie is now getting to run free on a ranch in upstate New York
 
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