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I do agree that Hinrich's value is hard to quantify. Similar to how we value Batum. They do a lot of things that just don't show up in the numbers.
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I do agree that Hinrich's value is hard to quantify. Similar to how we value Batum. They do a lot of things that just don't show up in the numbers.
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Who says they really do? This report could be complete BS. Alternatively, I don't credit the Bulls management with lots of smarts these days. Maybe they look at him as a cheap prospect with upside, so they're willing to try it out even if he's not likely to fit and not likely to work out. Or maybe they just want to say "he, we got a lottery pick back". But most likely, I think the report is BS and it's the Blazers Jazz and Bulls fans that want to get a deal done.
I think the Bulls would rather pay their 6th man $9M and screw their 2010 chances than get a 3 time all-star with a conveniently expiring contract.
If he's that great of a fit, why is he trying to trade for Hinrich?
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Does this whole trade stand any chance of happening now the Blazers have signed Millsap to that offer sheet that's designed to screw the Jazz?
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Here's why Portland does it.
Utah will match Milsap, leaving Portland with cap space that will disappear with the extensions of LMA and Roy. If Utah matches, they have $12.5M expiring in Boozer's deal and probably are keeping the guy they want long term, at basically the cost of Boozer's contract.
Utah would like Tyrus Thomas as a backup for a year, option to re-sign him if they like him, or $6.5M in cap relief if they renounce him.
The Bulls would like that same option, to see him play and then the choice to re-sign or renounce. To give that up, they want a player in return who fits their cap situation.
If Portland refuses, it's up to Utah to take Tim Thomas instead, walk away from Milsap, or walk away from this deal.
If Utah resigns Milsap, Portland ends up watching all the good FAs end up elsewhere with $8M that can't shoot or defend anyone.
From what I've read, the Tim Thomas switcheroo and Rudy instead of Bayless would be acceptable.
But then again, the Bulls claim no deal has been discussed at all.
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The offer sheet can still be rescinded if the Jazz/Blazers/Millsap agree... this might just be the Blazers saying, "Take it or leave it, Jazz."
Which they might have had to do. Portland doesn't want to sit on its hands all summer waiting for teams to make up their minds.
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Depends on if the Jazz can find a taker for Boozer in the next 7 days. If they move him then Portland loses any and all leverage because they'll just match Millsap's offer and wave goodbye to Boozer who they want to get rid of anyway. If by next Friday night nothing's been done and Portland feels like they have this in the bag Utah might end up letting us in on a three way deal -- provided the third trading partner wants to give up what we're after.
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The motive behind this "rumor" was for the Jazz to move Boozer so they can keep Millsap.
The other assumption of this "rumor" was the Blazers forcing Utah's hand.
We signed him to an offer sheet, this should put this "rumor" to rest.
The other assumption of this "rumor" was the Blazers forcing Utah's hand.
We signed him to an offer sheet, this should put this "rumor" to rest.
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Because we have a coach that doesn't like to play rookies and never gave Bayless a real shot. On almost any other team he would have gotten a better shot to earn PT. I'm not a huge Nate fan. So, I'm not going say anymore about Bayless's situation last year. There were also quite a few teams rumored at the trade deadline that also wanted Bayless and Batum. KP wouldn't trade either one unless we got something better then Hinrich.
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Look: asking for Bayless (if indeed the Bulls did) is essentially their way of saying "we're not really interested." They've just signed a very similar player in Pargo, and they know the Blazers won't give up Bayless.
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Not trying to be snarky, but didn't Nate start Batum (who's 3 months younger than Bayless) 76 times last year?
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Rudy Fernandez played 78 games @ 25.5 MPG.
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He didn't want to start Batum and even pulled him just before the first game of the season. He wanted to start Outlaw but he sucked when he started and forced Nate's hand into starting Batum since Webster was out all year. He also started Batrum but only played him maybe 15 minutes a game no matter how well Batum played. Batum had some great games but Nate would pull him after just a few minutes. He wanted Outlaw out there all game and Outlaw sucked when he started but many times played well when coming of the bench.
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Nate was almost forced to play rookies last year. He had to play Oden some minutes or get fired and we also had Batum, Bayless and Rudy as rookies and didn't have much if we didn't play some of the rookies. I don't think he liked it and complained about KP don't getting him some veteran players.
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OK, taking that as a given, it appears KP is going out and doing just that. So what's the use of not trading a guy like Bayless if you bring in Kirk to play minutes head of him? He further loses value sitting on the bench, and there's little likelihood he ever moves out of that role. In effect, he ends up being a repeat of Sergio.
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It seems that the best scenario would be that Hinrich starts and Bayless is the primary reserve. If Bayless pans out, he takes over as starter in a year or two and Hinrich ends up a very good reserve. I don't see why Hinrich makes Bayless useless...it would be a classic "veteran at the helm until the young prospect is ready (if ever)."
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Blake.
My bad, you're going to package him with Travis Outlaw for LeBron or Wade, right?
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If Hinrich were brought in, Blake would probably have been included in the trade to get him (or in a separate trade, if not), which would leave Jerryd as the back-up at PG. In that scenario (read: likely, most), he would receive more playing time than he did last season and virtually set-up to be the guy that takes over for Hinrich when his contract expires.
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Something Bulls' fans need to remember. If Hinrich was making $6 million a year, there would be a much bigger market for him. Of course, if he was making $6 mil, the Bulls wouldn't be looking to trade him!
He is on the market for the same reason he is only attracting low-ball offers. Like it or not, a bad contract lowers a player's trade value.
He is on the market for the same reason he is only attracting low-ball offers. Like it or not, a bad contract lowers a player's trade value.
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Wow, the Chicago board must be DEAD... otherwise you probably wouldn't be spending all of your time over here baiting us.
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I was under the assumption that the Bulls would want him if they dealt Hinrich. Something about thin at guard otherwise.
If Chicago doesn't want him.
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No he wouldn't.
It's Hinrich -> Portland, Tim or Tyrus Thomas -> Utah, Boozer (and Bayless if Tyrus) to Chicago
Check it on the trade checker, it works.
The Bulls are sending out $15.5M and taking back $12.5M. They're not going to take on Blake's salary and pay the LT for him.
Bayless makes $2M and keeps the Bulls under the LT.
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It doesn't work because Bayless isn't going in the trade.
Portland has to send something because they can't take Hinrich's contract straight up.
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Let me add I'd much rather have Blake than Bayless.
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"Check it out on the trade checker, it works." And, therefore, it HAS to be the deal that was being discussed, right!? I mean, come on... after all, IT WORKS ON THE TRADE CHECKER AND "Denny Crane" SAYS SO!!!!1!!!11!!111!111!1!!
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I spose I'd agree with that, but it seems to me that in order to ensure that happens, you'd really have to move out both Blake and Rudy, wouldn't you? Even if you move Blake, wouldn't Rudy get the lions's share of the backup guard minutes?
I just look at it as there not being enough minutes to go around, even without Blake. Realistically speaking, those young guys are playing for their next contract, and ultimately they can't all have a future with the Blazers.
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"Check it out on the trade checker, it works." And, therefore, it HAS to be the deal that was being discussed, right!? I mean, come on... after all, IT WORKS ON THE TRADE CHECKER AND "Denny Crane" SAYS SO!!!!1!!!11!!111!111!1!!
From the local Salt Lake City newspaper, today:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705315898/Jazz-talking-Boozer-trade.html?pg=2
Utah Jazz: Trade rumors have Jazz discussing Boozer to Bulls
ESPN.com reported Thursday afternoon that the Jazz have spoken with Portland and Chicago about a potential trade that would send two-time All-Star power forward Boozer to the Bulls and bring forward Tyrus Thomas to Utah from the Windy City.
Citing unnamed "NBA front-office sources," ESPN.com reported that the discussed swap also would send guard Kirk Hinrich from Chicago to Portland, that "no deal was imminent Thursday" and that "both Portland and Utah are still evaluating multiple trade scenarios."
