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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
"Christ. You people don't learn." The "left", "liberals", "hooligans", "elitist", "animals". Your whole diatribe is an entire thesis in support of identity politics. But then I'm a YUGE fan of irony....
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I think it's important to understand the difference between identifying and stereotyping.
Saying, "The people rioting and acting like hooligans are liberals," is identifying, and is accurate.
Saying, "Liberals riot and act like hooligans," is stereotyping, and is inaccurate.

Identity politics involves assigning expected behaviors to classifications of people (ie, saying all LGBTIAQ+ people should vote democrat, saying Trump voters are racist, etc), which is very different from noting the classifications of people actually engaging in specific behavior (ie, saying that rioters are liberals).

I think, reading @Jade Falcon's "diatribe" that he's primarily engaging in the latter rather than the former.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I think it's important to understand the difference between identifying and stereotyping.
Saying, "The people rioting and acting like hooligans are liberals," is identifying, and is accurate.
Saying, "Liberals riot and act like hooligans," is stereotyping, and is inaccurate.

Identity politics involves assigning expected behaviors to classifications of people (ie, saying all LGBTIAQ+ people should vote democrat, saying Trump voters are racist, etc), which is very different from noting the classifications of people actually engaging in specific behavior (ie, saying that rioters are liberals).

I think, reading @Jade Falcon's "diatribe" that he's primarily engaging in the latter rather than the former.
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What I said was not inaccurate, if I'm reading your post correctly (and please correct me if I'm wrong).

I refuse to get sucked into this back-and-forth argument of back-seat bickering. We need to be honest with ourselves here. The majority of the people who riot against Trump are Liberals. Period. They claim to support all the ideals and logic of the Liberal agenda, and they openly hate Republicans or anyone on the Right.

Now, we can call them "Anarchists", but even then, that's not completely honest. They don't riot and destroy property in support of the Right, so they are obviously indoctrinated in Leftist ideals. Of which most Liberals are.

These aren't Right-wingers/Conservatives or Independents out there rioting. Let's just be honest with ourselves here.

Saying "Trump appreciates the support, because every time Liberals riot and act like hooligans, he gets more popular" is not stereotyping or inaccurate, because it's NOT saying that Republicans are not capable of rioting themselves.

I hope that clarifies things.
 
Jade Falcon said:
What I said was not inaccurate, if I'm reading your post correctly (and please correct me if I'm wrong).

I refuse to get sucked into this back-and-forth argument of back-seat bickering. We need to be honest with ourselves here. The majority of the people who riot against Trump are Liberals. Period. They claim to support all the ideals and logic of the Liberal agenda, and they openly hate Republicans or anyone on the Right.

Now, we can call them "Anarchists", but even then, that's not completely honest. They don't riot and destroy property in support of the Right, so they are obviously indoctrinated in Leftist ideals. Of which most Liberals are.

These aren't Right-wingers/Conservatives or Independents out there rioting. Let's just be honest with ourselves here.

Saying "Trump appreciates the support, because every time Liberals riot and act like hooligans, he gets more popular" is not stereotyping or inaccurate, because it's NOT saying that Republicans are not capable of rioting themselves.

I hope that clarifies things.
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My point was that you only said the first accurate one--that the people who are rioting are liberals--not the second, inaccurate one--that all (or only) liberals riot. When I referenced "former/latter" I was referring to the second part of my post (defining "identity politics"), not the first part (differentiating identifying and stereotyping).

I can see how that was unclear. My apologies.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
My point was that you only said the first accurate one--that the people who are rioting are liberals--not the second, inaccurate one--that all (or only) liberals riot. When I referenced "former/latter" I was referring to the second part of my post (defining "identity politics"), not the first part (differentiating identifying and stereotyping).

I can see how that was unclear. My apologies.
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Understood, thank you.
 
These idiots keep making Milo into a bigger and bigger star. Several years ago he was just part of a dumb video game controversy and only weirdos like me knew who he was, now he's all over the news all the time and has a big book deal coming out. These people trying to shut him down just make his views get out there more and more.
 
My first thought on seeing videos of Trump supporters being beaten unconscious last night and then kicked and beaten further while they were lying on the ground was of Mussolini's fascist party's tactics. Terrorism and intimidation meted out in the streets to those that didn't share their beliefs. If the videos were in choppy black and white they'd pretty much be interchangeable with WWII newsreels. With the caveat that in this case it's left wing fascism rather than the right as it was in Italy.
 
True story.............I just googled to find out WTF MSM is and WTF Milo is. Now there's 60 seconds of my life I'll never get back. No wonder I'm weaning myself off this bullshit......we don't have to leave home to join the circus, it's moved into our homes.
 
Jade Falcon said:
lol, in all fairness....I'm only 25% Hispanic. My grandfather was full Hispanic; my father is half-Hispanic. My grandfather immigrated here from Mexico, and served in the Army to earn his citizenship.
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Are you a bad hombre?
 
Jade Falcon said:
I just left a blistering reply on AO3 to an author who wrote a story about how terrified she is of Donald Trump. Here's what I wrote:



Hope it doesn't get me banned. But if it does, I stand by what I said, and I am NOT apologizing for it.
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Well said.
 
Jade Falcon said:
lol, in all fairness....I'm only 25% Hispanic. My grandfather was full Hispanic; my father is half-Hispanic. My grandfather immigrated here from Mexico, and served in the Army to earn his citizenship.
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i like you, im glad we only have to deport 25% of you :party:
 
Tweak said:
My first thought on seeing videos of Trump supporters being beaten unconscious last night and then kicked and beaten further while they were lying on the ground was of Mussolini's fascist party's tactics. Terrorism and intimidation meted out in the streets to those that didn't share their beliefs. If the videos were in choppy black and white they'd pretty much be interchangeable with WWII newsreels. With the caveat that in this case it's left wing fascism rather than the right as it was in Italy.
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Better tell Fox:
 
There were no riots at TRUMP University! And in fact Milo taught whole classes!
 
I'm getting awfully tired of people not understanding that just because you think something is hate speech, doesn't mean it's okay to censor them.

Free speech is free speech.

Freedom of speech for all means freedom of speech for everyone. Even the people you don't like. Even the people you don't agree with. There were literally people carrying signs that said "Hate speech is not free speech." I find this to be extremely hypocritical. They want to have their protests against Trump protected, but they won't allow people with other opinions to speak on their campuses.

And before you jump in with "freedom of speech has to do with the government censoring people," this was supposed to be a lecture on a state funded school, IE "da gubment." It is hypocritical and illegal for government funded schools to provide a platform to one side of an argument and not the other.

Can you imagine the liberal shit storm if Christians rioted about someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson speaking on their campus because he's an atheist?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm getting awfully tired of people not understanding that just because you think something is hate speech, doesn't mean it's okay to censor them.

Free speech is free speech.

Freedom of speech for all means freedom of speech for everyone. Even the people you don't like. Even the people you don't agree with. There were literally people carrying signs that said "Hate speech is not free speech." I find this to be extremely hypocritical. They want to have their protests against Trump protected, but they won't allow people with other opinions to speak on their campuses.

And before you jump in with "freedom of speech has to do with the government censoring people," this was supposed to be a lecture on a state funded school, IE "da gubment." It is hypocritical and illegal for government funded schools to provide a platform to one side of an argument and not the other.

Can you imagine the liberal shit storm if Christians rioted about someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson speaking on their campus because he's an atheist?
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I'm deleting this post.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Oh give him his 15 minutes. He clearly craves it like oxygen.
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You mean like this fat, ugly waste of space....?

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Natebishop3 said:
Go watch some of his videos on youtube. Some of his stuff is ridiculous, and some of his stuff is thought provoking. Anyone who immediately writes him off is just mad because they disagree with him. He has facts to usually back up his points.
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I'm glad you threw in the "usually" in that last line. :) He was pretty loose with them in Bowling For Columbine.
I will give him this though, he foretold the election results correctly unlike 99.9 % of the msm.
 
everyone that disagrees with me is racist or a nazi.
everyone that agrees with me is racist or a nazi.

you don't get to speak. you get to get punched.
no, i won't listen to you. i have this megaphone which i will use to repeat mindless drivel.
because you are uneducated and a fascist.

that's how it works.

racist nazis.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Go watch some of his videos on youtube. Some of his stuff is ridiculous, and some of his stuff is thought provoking. Anyone who immediately writes him off is just mad because they disagree with him. He has facts to usually back up his points.
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Interesting. I'll have to check it out. Thanks.
 
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