Bust a Scoot?

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after 3 games:

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statistically, Walker has been the best player. But less than 14 min/game is not really valid. Scoot with a minus 2.0 PER and a minus 16.4 BPM....wowsers!

the most revealing stat in his line? that .033 FT Rate tells me he's not doing anything with the ball or the offense he should be doing. Also: Scoot and Grant have been a terrible mix so far
 
Natebishop3 said:
Even after drafting Scoot, I have felt that Shae has the most superstar potential. But I think Scoot can be the heart of the team. Shae can be the one who takes over for Dame as the star. The 30 ppg guy. I want Scoot to be the 20 and 10 guy.
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Yeah, I never expected Scoot to be better than Sharpe.
 
julius said:
I agree about Shaedon, I think he eventually could be like a Kobe Bryant type player (not saying he's the next Kobe). I think Scoot could be a 16-7 guy. Nothing to sneeze at, but he needs to be more of a distributor and a threat on offense. Right now he's neither.
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I think of Shaedon more of like a TMac than a Kobe. Gotta show that killer instinct first.
 
Most of the time players that suck when they first come into the league never make the leap to being a good player. It happens, but it's more common that they never amount to much. Markelle Fultz came into the league at 19 with no jumpshot. He's now 25 and still has no jump shot and an average player at best. His scouting report is similar to Scoots.
 
beast crnjo said:
Most of the time players that suck when they first come into the league never make the leap to being a good player. It happens, but it's more common that they never amount to much. Markelle Fultz came into the league at 19 with no jumpshot. He's now 25 and still has no jump shot and an average player at best. His scouting report is similar to Scoots.
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His shot is scary bad at this point. Ben Simmons bad.
 
wizenheimer said:
ok...I see where you're coming from

and sure, the 'baptism-of-fire' for Scoot may not be the best thing for him. Maybe having less responsibility by coming off the bench to begin his career would have been better. And Dame may have been a better mentor than Brogdon; although I'd think mentoring Scoot should fall under Chauncey's duties but I'm seriously doubting Chauncey right now in a lot of ways

Scoot has a lot to overcome. He's too young and inexperienced to be consistent as a starter at PG in the NBA. Last night he was trying to attack Maxey-Melton-Beverly with Embiid lurking. And teams are sagging way off of him while going under screens; taking away driving and passing lanes while daring him to shoot from 18 feet or more. That also takes away his mid-range game at the same time it negates his speed. That's what every team will do until Scoot can make them pay by hitting those shots with some consistency....and I don't know that Scoot is capable of that right now
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Everything you're talking about is right now. I don't think any of us should be concerned with where Scoot is at right now. I think him starting and having to run the offense or 'baptism-of-fire' is a fine thing, it's just bad for optics right now but that's another thing we shouldn't care about. Give it at least half a season and probably a little more but these reps Scoot is getting are valuable and as long as he doesn't get discouraged (which I don't really think is the way he works mentally) he will learn and we'll see him settle in. That's when we should be worrying about his skill set and whether or not it looks like it could be viable... not right now when he obviously doesn't even know how to use the skills he already has.
 
If he continues to struggle, I hope they bring him off the bench, otherwise it could really hurt his confidence.

I think many QBs in the NFL get destroyed this way, they get drafted by a bad team and thrown into the fire and never recover.
 
beast crnjo said:
If he continues to struggle, I hope they bring him off the bench, otherwise it could really hurt his confidence.

I think many QBs in the NFL get destroyed this way, they get drafted by a bad team and thrown into the fire and never recover.
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QBs in the NFL get destroyed this way because they get hit so much, I think reps as a PG in the NBA are far far different than reps as a QB in the NFL. Scoot needs these learning experiences, if he was soft spoken and needed more confidence then he would need to be brought along slower like Ant or Shaedon but I think Scoot is completely different from them mentally and he will learn and grow from failure. If we start to see him getting timid and we start to see that confidence dwindle in interviews then I would consider bringing him off the bench and along more slowly but I don't think that's what we'll see.
 
Quatro44 said:
To me, I was hoping Scoot would be playing better, but it is still way to early to tell if he is a bust. He is young and there is still growth/potential. Better to think of him as an underclassmen in college. What I do know that is a bust is our starting forwards, that shit needs to go ASAP. Grant/Thybulle pairing is a big fat nothing burger. From what I can tell Ant and Grant were going to be the #1A/1B options and with Ant out, Grant is the defacto #1 and watching him go 1 on 1 or even 1 on 2 or 3 and dribbles off a foot or gets picked is a frick'n eye sore. Grant should never be the focal point of an offense and Thybulle at best is a defensive specialist off the bench. Maybe have Camara start, he at least is a threat to shoot and score, this might even open things up for Scoot.
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Are you saying the forwards need to go? Or are you saying the forwards as our defined starters needs to change? Grant may not be all that, but he did score on Imbiid in the paint. Who else does that on this team?

Thybulle is as you say, a defensive specialist who will occasionally, hit an important shot. He cannot create offense in the league at will. Grant can...big difference. I also do not agree that Grant should never be the focal point of the offense. Sometimes, matchups might make that happen, and it can be successful. But as THE guy, I think we have seen his skill set in entirety. I wish he had Brogdon's 14-18- floater. It would really help him.
 
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It's obvious that Grant, Brogdon and Thybulle don't want to be here, they're just playing for fun. I don't blame Brogdon and Thybulle because they had no choice, Grant took the money. I want all three gone
 
BassPlaya said:
Are you saying the forwards need to go? Or are you saying the forwards as our defined starters needs to change? Grant may not be all that, but he did score on Imbiid in the paint. Who else does that on this team?

Thybulle is as you say, a defensive specialist who will occasionally, hit an important shot. He cannot create offense in the league at will. Grant can...big difference. I also do not agree that Grant should never be the focal point of the offense. Sometimes, matchups might make that happen, and it can be successful. But as THE guy, I think we have seen his skill set in entirety. I wish he had Brogdon's 14-18- floater. It would really help him.
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Difference of opinions I guess, but Thybulle needs to come off the bench and Grant is not good of a ball handler to be a #1 option. Like you are saying if there are matchups then exploit them with Grant, but that just makes him a role player. True #1's can create for themselves or others and that is not in Grant's wheelhouse.
 
Quatro44 said:
True #1's can create for themselves or others and that is not in Grant's wheelhouse.
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Got it. I didn't remember you saying "True #1's. Didn't know that was your criteria. I think he is a great #1A, but alongside a true 1 would certainly be best.
 
BassPlaya said:
Got it. I didn't remember you saying "True #1's. Didn't know that was your criteria. I think he is a great #1A, but alongside a true 1 would certainly be best.
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It was what I was trying to imply with Ant's injury, then Grant became the only defacto option at #1. Unless based on matchups, he should not be initiating the offense.
 
Maybe it’s just his face but I always get this sense that Brogdon doesn’t wanna be here. I mean from a player perspective I don’t blame him.
 
Labinot41 said:
It's obvious that Grant, Brogdon and Thybulle don't want to be here, they're just playing for fun. I don't blame Brogdon and Thybulle because they had no choice, Grant took the money. I want all three gone
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I think you'll get what you want. Brogdon will yield the highest return. Grant should get us a protected first that will convey in this upcoming draft from a contender or at least a playoff team that can make him their third scoring option. I think Thybulle will likely get us a prospect from a win now team that can use Matisse in their rotation right now and can't afford the patience to wait on the prospect (thinking a guy taken in one of the last two drafts in the mid to late first round).
 
it won't be conclusive by any stretch, but I think by New Year's day we'll have a better handle on where Scoot is at. That's will be after 29 games and Portland will have just finished a stretch of 8 of 9 games at home. 29 games is a good sample size; 3 isn't
 
Labinot41 said:
It's obvious that Grant, Brogdon and Thybulle don't want to be here, they're just playing for fun. I don't blame Brogdon and Thybulle because they had no choice, Grant took the money. I want all three gone
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Yes. All 3 gone. For good value.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Damn why didn’t we draft that guy? Joe Cronin is a moron!
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We picked 3rd. I'm curious what Cronin would've done with the 2nd. Probably Miller and Dame probably still asks out. Drafting Scoot is like buying a Corolla or Civic. No one will criticize you
 
inconceivable said:
We picked 3rd. I'm curious what Cronin would've done with the 2nd. Probably Miller and Dame probably still asks out. Drafting Scoot is like buying a Corolla or Civic. No one will criticize you
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I think it for sure would have been Miller at 2
 
inconceivable said:
I meant drafting scoot at 3, with wemby and miller already taken, is a safe pick
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Yep. But I think if we had 2 it would have been Miller.

But I think you're right. I think every team in the league would have taken Scoot at 3.
 
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