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Here are the results for the last 6 games in which Scoot the Bust has played.

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Without him during this span, the Blazers were 1-8.
 
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Propagandist said:
Unfortunately, I think what opposing players are thinking is: "Oh, I don't have to guard this guy."
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They think they don't have to guard the guy handling the ball? Does that make sense to you?

Tell me if you see anyone defending Scoot in this sequence that ends with a made 3-pointer by the Blazers.

(The sequence starts at 8:32, should be queued to that point)

 
blazerfan11 said:
Here are the results for the last 6 games in which Scoot the Bust has played.

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Without him during this span, the Blazers were 1-8.
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the last 4 wins came against teams with a combined 27-47 record; a .365 winning percentage. And, not only did Scoot return, so did Brogdon

PER: Brogdon 18.8....Scoot 1.3
TS%: Brogdon .518....Scoot .401 (Brogdon at career low)
Reb%: Brogdon 8.5%....Scoot 5.4%
Ast%: Brogdon 38.8%....Scoot 25.3%
Trn%: Brogdon 9.4%....Scoot 25.5%
Ast%/Trn%: Brogdon 4.13....Scoot 0.99
Winshare/48: Brogdon +.112....Scoot -0.152
BPM: Brogdon +3.3....Scoot -12.0

now, if you consider those numbers objectively, if you were looking for a correlation=causation factor of this mini-streak, would you credit Scoot, or Brogdon?
 
wizenheimer said:
the last 4 wins came against teams with a combined 27-47 record; a .365 winning percentage. And, not only did Scoot return, so did Brogdon

PER: Brogdon 18.8....Scoot 1.3
TS%: Brogdon .518....Scoot .401 (Brogdon at career low)
Reb%: Brogdon 8.5%....Scoot 5.4%
Ast%: Brogdon 38.8%....Scoot 25.3%
Trn%: Brogdon 9.4%....Scoot 25.5%
Ast%/Trn%: Brogdon 4.13....Scoot 0.99
Winshare/48: Brogdon +.112....Scoot -0.152
BPM: Brogdon +3.3....Scoot -12.0

now, if you consider those numbers objectively, if you were looking for a correlation=causation factor of this mini-streak, would you credit Scoot, or Brogdon?
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Look at the title of this thread.

I believe that Scoot has been A key element in Blazer victories, and in the last 6 games in which Scoot has played, the Blazers are 5-1.
 
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blazerfan11 said:
Look at the title of this thread.
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ok

now that's over, you've made a couple of posts in the thread implying that Scoot returning to action is the reason Portland has a mini-winning streak. I was suggesting it probably has a lot more to do with Brogdon returning, than Scoot. And the level of competition too

at this point in time, is Scoot even better than Skyler Mays? And remember, I don't think Scoot is a bust at all
 
wizenheimer said:
ok

now that's over, you've made a couple of posts in the thread implying that Scoot returning to action is the reason Portland has a mini-winning streak. I was suggesting it probably has a lot more to do with Brogdon returning, than Scoot. And the level of competition too

at this point in time, is Scoot even better than Skyler Mays? And remember, I don't think Scoot is a bust at all
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Yes, I do believe Scoot's return is the reason for Portland's mini-winning streak. He was a missing piece.

Is Scoot better than Skylar Mays? I don't think you can be watching the games if you are asking that question.

Brogdon and Skylar Mays led the team to what will likely be the worst loss of the season when the Blazers were outscored 26-2 to end the game against a banged-up Memphis squad.

Brogdon returning by itself is just another piece, like Scoot.

A healthy Brogdon and Mays was not a winning PG tandem.

A healthy Brogdon and Scoot (with the rest of the team mostly healthy) has been terrific so far.

The whole team, including the coach, should get credit for the wins. I think all of the current rotation players would be missed if injured. Mays is not a rotation player.
 
blazerfan11 said:
They think they don't have to guard the guy handling the ball? Does that make sense to you?

Tell me if you see anyone defending Scoot in this sequence that ends with a made 3-pointer by the Blazers.

(The sequence starts at 8:32, should be queued to that point)

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First of all, it was obviously a joke.

Secondly, you've gone full fanboy and I love it. BUT still I think you're kind of trippin. As of now, Scoot is a turnover waiting to happen...that, or a (badly) missed shot. I'm not discounted his passing, though. He is a good passer, it's just the windows are much smaller at this level.

Still, you can kind of see something impressive there sometimes. In the clip you highlighted, he travels immediately, but he also shows some awareness and some speed. If the game slows down for him, we'll all obviously be delighted.

For me, anything is great. Clearly, the G-League isn't a good farm system. Players who look dominant there, seem to look (understandably) lost in the NBA. I'm hoping Scoot eventually bucks the trend...

EDIT I wanted to add something:

Watching him now, it's hard to imagine he's the same player he was with the Ignite, or even that half in Summer League he played. THIS is encouraging to me. He has hardly even looked to do much so far this year. It's as if the cold shooting spell has just killed his confidence...

So, I tease, but I'm still optimistic. I expect if it clicks for Scoot, it'll really click.
 
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wizenheimer said:
the last 4 wins came against teams with a combined 27-47 record; a .365 winning percentage. And, not only did Scoot return, so did Brogdon

PER: Brogdon 18.8....Scoot 1.3
TS%: Brogdon .518....Scoot .401 (Brogdon at career low)
Reb%: Brogdon 8.5%....Scoot 5.4%
Ast%: Brogdon 38.8%....Scoot 25.3%
Trn%: Brogdon 9.4%....Scoot 25.5%
Ast%/Trn%: Brogdon 4.13....Scoot 0.99
Winshare/48: Brogdon +.112....Scoot -0.152
BPM: Brogdon +3.3....Scoot -12.0

now, if you consider those numbers objectively, if you were looking for a correlation=causation factor of this mini-streak, would you credit Scoot, or Brogdon?
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Seems like Scoot is the reason for all our success based on those numbers, my good fellow!
 
wizenheimer said:
ok

now that's over, you've made a couple of posts in the thread implying that Scoot returning to action is the reason Portland has a mini-winning streak. I was suggesting it probably has a lot more to do with Brogdon returning, than Scoot. And the level of competition too

at this point in time, is Scoot even better than Skyler Mays? And remember, I don't think Scoot is a bust at all
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The Blazers certainly lose that game against Cleveland if Scoot doesn't outplay Brogdon. I agree with your overall point.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I honestly don’t know how anyone can say they aren’t seeing growth from this kid every week. He’s getting better every damn game.
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same. And by saying "growth" every week, that's not to say he's playing great. he's just getting better and better. Still will have bumps along the way, but he's showing signs.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I honestly don’t know how anyone can say they aren’t seeing growth from this kid every week. He’s getting better every damn game.
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he's finally slowing down. that swagger he has when he makes 3 positive plays in a row is infectious. it's what i saw from his ignite games. his impact far exceeds what we capture in box scores.

need more of these instances of positivity to help him get reinforcement of his work ethic.
 
I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve been really enjoying Scoot coming off the bench. Guys like Walker and Thybulle bring a lot of energy to the game when they enter, I think having Scoot as well often can overwhelm an opposing bench with the the amount of guys flying around and chasing boards.
Next year, our bench is going to be even better.

I get that we drafted him to be the franchise player. But I kind of see all of this as a blessing in disguise. With Scoot not being who we thought he’d be right away, we provide him with some adversity to overcome early in his career by getting to a point where he’d be good enough for us to even think about trading Ant. Even if I drafted someone to be my franchise player, if he pouted about having to re-earn his spot over a guy who’s better than him currently, I’d be rethinking my decision on drafting him.
 
Okay so hear me out here.
-Disclaimer---- I don't hate Scoot at all. Second Disclaimer- I want Scoot to become as good as I think he can become and that is very very good to say the least.

What I am watching in games is teams are not respecting Scoot shooting the ball. I am not sure that will be a big deal this year because the Blazers probably won't be making the playoffs anyway. My hope is that they get him all the help he can handle this season and this next summer to improve that shot.
What I am also seeing is because they sag off him it's making it tougher on him to use his other skills passing and obvious speed advantage over other players to get to the hoop.
IMO ( and yes It's just my opinion) If Scoot can continue to maintain the shooting numbers he has provided since dawning the goggles this team could get good very very quickly.
 
kjironman1 said:
Okay so hear me out here.
-Disclaimer---- I don't hate Scoot at all. Second Disclaimer- I want Scoot to become as good as I think he can become and that is very very good to say the least.

What I am watching in games is teams are not respecting Scoot shooting the ball. I am not sure that will be a big deal this year because the Blazers probably won't be making the playoffs anyway. My hope is that they get him all the help he can handle this season and this next summer to improve that shot.
What I am also seeing is because they sag off him it's making it tougher on him to use his other skills passing and obvious speed advantage over other players to get to the hoop.
IMO ( and yes It's just my opinion) If Scoot can continue to maintain the shooting numbers he has provided since dawning the goggles this team could get good very very quickly.
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The funny thing is that he’s shooting 40% from three since he came back lol
 
Natebishop3 said:
The funny thing is that he’s shooting 40% from three since he came back lol
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The goggles! At least that’s what I think? I would love to hear what he feels it is.
That is also why I say “if he can maintain” the shooting numbers.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
The funny thing is that he’s shooting 40% from three since he came back lol
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7-20 = 35%

which is quite a departure from the 9.5% he was shooting before the injury

I expect him to settle in a lot closer to the 35% than the 10%. I expect the 27% rate he shot in G-League is probably predictive. Meaning, he should shoot less three's and work on other aspects of his game...and not settle for three's just because that's what opponents are baiting him to shoot
 
wizenheimer said:
7-20 = 35%

which is quite a departure from the 9.5% he was shooting before the injury

I expect him to settle in a lot closer to the 35% than the 10%. I expect the 27% rate he shot in G-League is probably predictive. Meaning, he should shoot less three's and work on other aspects of his game...and not settle for three's just because that's what opponents are baiting him to shoot
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Oh yeah, I saw that stat before the Jazz game. My brain didn’t internalize. But last I checked he is shooting better from three than he is from the floor lol.
 
wizenheimer said:
7-20 = 35%

which is quite a departure from the 9.5% he was shooting before the injury

I expect him to settle in a lot closer to the 35% than the 10%. I expect the 27% rate he shot in G-League is probably predictive. Meaning, he should shoot less three's and work on other aspects of his game...and not settle for three's just because that's what opponents are baiting him to shoot
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They are definitely baiting him to shoot the three. No question there. This is where the paradox comes in though. By baiting him they are taking away other things. Clogging lanes for cutters and stopping the driving opportunities. They are watching for the drive and dish.
My point above was that keeping that 3 at a respectable rate helps the other parts of his game.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Oh yeah, I saw that stat before the Jazz game. My brain didn’t internalize. But last I checked he is shooting better from three than he is from the floor lol.
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yeah, I don't believe he'll ever be a great shooter from three. That would take a few off-seasons and several thousand shots. He needs to focus on other things right now, including ball-handling with his left hand

with his mass and strength and speed, I'm a little more concerned about him being 12-24 at the rim. I would have expected better, but that's probably just something else he need to adjust to
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, I don't believe he'll ever be a great shooter from three. That would take a few off-seasons and several thousand shots. He needs to focus on other things right now, including ball-handling with his left hand

with his mass and strength and speed, I'm a little more concerned about him being 12-24 at the rim. I would have expected better, but that's probably just something else he need to adjust to
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He doesn’t seek contact like Dame or Shaedon. He’s more like CJ.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He doesn’t seek contact like Dame or Shaedon. He’s more like CJ.
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Yeah, he's much more likely to commit fouls than draw them. He's had at least 5 fouls in over half his games so far.
 
kjironman1 said:
Okay so hear me out here.
-Disclaimer---- I don't hate Scoot at all. Second Disclaimer- I want Scoot to become as good as I think he can become and that is very very good to say the least.

What I am watching in games is teams are not respecting Scoot shooting the ball. I am not sure that will be a big deal this year because the Blazers probably won't be making the playoffs anyway. My hope is that they get him all the help he can handle this season and this next summer to improve that shot.
What I am also seeing is because they sag off him it's making it tougher on him to use his other skills passing and obvious speed advantage over other players to get to the hoop.
IMO ( and yes It's just my opinion) If Scoot can continue to maintain the shooting numbers he has provided since dawning the goggles this team could get good very very quickly.
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Like you said, the shooting doesn’t really matter this year because the playoffs are a longshot, and should be our lowest priority in the last decade. Let him feel out the game.

I’m not sure how to help his shot, outside of someone changing the mechanics of his shot. His shot doesn’t look broken. He’s just going to have to keep shooting them until he gets to be as confident as Thybulle shooting it. What would help a ton is to now draft guys who can actually shoot to surround around Scoot. Outside of his shooting concerns, spacing is still an issue on this squad, so it isn’t just Scoot. Drafting guys who can defend and shoot, taking back a bad contract of a guy who’s a shooter for draft compensation, maybe a FA that can shoot, all of that is going to help.

Scoot has yet to figure out the stuff he was suppose to be good at. He’s going to become more confident in expanding his skillset when he gets in the groove of finishing at the rim more and being able to find open guys when teams respect his driving ability in the NBA.
 
Should we bump this thread everytime he has a bad game and bump the other thread everytime he has a good game?
 
Scoot leads all rookies in personal fouls. That's some good ol' fashioned basketball. Get anywhere near Henderson and he'll smack the crap outta you.
 
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