By Making This Deal we lost ...

[Crimson the Cat]

our two traded-player exceptions, mid-level salary exception, and the veterans minimum exception, right?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

ALL OF IT?

I sure hope not.

 

[SodaPopinski]

our two traded-player exceptions, mid-level salary exception, and the veterans minimum exception, right?

We never had the vet's minimum or the mid-level, as you have to be over the cap to get either of those.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

We never had the vet's minimum or the mid-level, as you have to be over the cap to get either of those.

Well, there was some confusion in my head about that. That's the way I understood it too. What about those traded-player exceptions. The salary cap holds must have been counting against that $7.7M. I'm thinking we had to renounce that.

 

[Blazer_Mullet_Man]

Major mistake, made out of desperation....

I don't think Miller will improve the team enough to be worth the cost. Could be wrong, but JMHO.

If it's a done deal (in 24 hrs as reports say) I welcome Miller to our team and wish him the best!

 

[Minstrel]

We never had the vet's minimum or the mid-level, as you have to be over the cap to get either of those.

I think teams always have the LLE when they are over the cap. The MLE had to be renounced because it ate cap space, but now when the team goes over the cap, I think they can still sign players for the minimum.

 

[SodaPopinski]

I think teams always have the LLE when they are over the cap. The MLE had to be renounced because it ate cap space, but now when the team goes over the cap, I think they can still sign players for the minimum.

I don't think you can sign players up to the cap and then get the MLE. It's an either/or proposition. You either are under the cap and can use the cap space, or you are over the cap and can use the exception. The loophole to this is that if you are under the cap, you can do a sign-and-trade, taking back a player that eats up your cap space. Then you acquire the mid-level (see: what Toronto did with the Hedo Turkoglu acquisition). But I don't think you can sign free agents with your cap space and then get the MLE after you use up the space.

 

[Foulzilla]

I could be wrong, but here' how I think they work:

I believe TPE's do not affect the cap in any way, and last until a specified time at which point they expire if not used.

I don't believe we ever had the MLE, because we had cap space that exceeded the MLE.

The vet's minimum is an exception that is always available to every team.

 

[SodaPopinski]

The vet's minimum is an exception that is always available to every team.

Then why is it called an "exception." If every team gets it, doesn't that sort of contradict the use of the term "exception"?

 

[Foulzilla]

Because it allows you to go over the cap. It's an "exception" to the normal rules restricting the ability to sign players while over the cap.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think you can sign players up to the cap and then get the MLE. It's an either/or proposition. You either are under the cap and can use the cap space, or you are over the cap and can use the exception. The loophole to this is that if you are under the cap, you can do a sign-and-trade, taking back a player that eats up your cap space. Then you acquire the mid-level (see: what Toronto did with the Hedo Turkoglu acquisition). But I don't think you can sign free agents with your cap space and then get the MLE after you use up the space.

Correct.

Then why is it called an "exception." If every team gets it, doesn't that sort of contradict the use of the term "exception"?

Exception to the rule. The rule being "you can't go over the cap to sign players."

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Then why is it called an "exception." If every team gets it, doesn't that sort of contradict the use of the term "exception"?

So sorry... when Foulzilla and I wrote the CBA, we obviously used the wrong term. We'll get right on that.

Why niggle over the semantics? It is what it is.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think you can sign players up to the cap and then get the MLE. It's an either/or proposition. You either are under the cap and can use the cap space, or you are over the cap and can use the exception.

I said LLE, not MLE, in terms of what all teams have once they go over the cap..

 

[Crimson the Cat]

So, we do have the LLE and our two TPEs. Ok. Thanks all.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I could be wrong, but here' how I think they work:

I believe TPE's do not affect the cap in any way, and last until a specified time at which point they expire if not used.

I don't believe we ever had the MLE, because we had cap space that exceeded the MLE.

The vet's minimum is an exception that is always available to every team.

Nope. Exceptions count against the cap and must be renounced if you want to use available cap space to sign a player ... unless of course you had so much cap room that you could sign a player without the exception affecting your ability to extend an offer.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Ok. That's what I thought. We have NO EXCEPTIONS.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think the LLE is ever "gone." It can always be used. Teams under the cap, of course, don't need to use it. Teams over the cap can always sign players for the minimum. If you go over the cap and have only filled 7 roster spots, you don't play the season with 7 players. You can (and must) fill out roster spots at minimum salaries.

So the LLE is still "available."

 

[Денг Гордон]

I don't think the LLE is ever "gone." It can always be used. Teams under the cap, of course, don't need to use it. Teams over the cap can always sign players for the minimum. If you go over the cap and have only filled 7 roster spots, you don't play the season with 7 players. You can (and must) fill out roster spots at minimum salaries.

So the LLE is still "available."

Blazers can't use either the MLE or Bi-Annual exceptions this year.

 

[Minstrel]

Blazers can't use either the MLE or Bi-Annual exceptions this year.

Yes, both of which are different from the LLE.

And since the bi-annual exception can only be used once every other year, that's not really a loss. They can use it next year, if they desire.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

... Other than the LLE.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Well, there was some confusion in my head about that. That's the way I understood it too. What about those traded-player exceptions. The salary cap holds must have been counting against that $7.7M. I'm thinking we had to renounce that.

Where else would you have confusion? In your elbow?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Where else would you have confusion? In your elbow?

My wife would come up with an alternative body part that gets confused. Hey Oh!

 

[Денг Гордон]

This will shock some people, but there is no such thing as the LLE.

The exceptions to the salary cap are Larry Bird, Early Bird, Non-Bird, Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Rookie, Minimum, Traded Player, Disabled Player, and Reinstatement.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Well holy hell, so we DONT have any exceptions then. I give up. We got Miller so its all good.

 

[Ed O]

Yes, both of which are different from the LLE.

And since the bi-annual exception can only be used once every other year, that's not really a loss. They can use it next year, if they desire.

Isn't the LLE the same as the bi-annual or "million dollar" exception?

Am I having a brain cramp?

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

The exceptions to the salary cap are Larry Bird, Early Bird, Non-Bird, Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Rookie, Minimum, Traded Player, Disabled Player, and Reinstatement.

And Minimum Salary exception, of course.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

This will shock some people, but there is no such thing as the LLE.

The exceptions to the salary cap are Larry Bird, Early Bird, Non-Bird, Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Rookie, Minimum, Traded Player, Disabled Player, and Reinstatement.

The Minimum Salary Exception is often called the "Lower Level Exception" or LLE. It may not be the actual term for it, but I've seen that usage plenty.

 

[Idog1976]

I need to get a pith helmet so I can wade through this absolute jungle of factoids here in the dark heart of CBA-land. Truly, there is no place more wild, wooly or breathtakingly dull as the heart of darkest CBA-land.

 

[Idog1976]

Major mistake, made out of desperation....

I don't think Miller will improve the team enough to be worth the cost. Could be wrong, but JMHO.

If it's a done deal (in 24 hrs as reports say) I welcome Miller to our team and wish him the best!

I think this was a decent 3rd option move and I actually like it far better then option one, the Hedo signing. With this one I have no problem accepting it. I absolutely love the contract it couldn't really have gotten much better as far as length and the might have something to do with it's girth $7mil is a pretty penny. Hedo on the other hand I felt ill at the thought of 5 years at $50 million. I thought oh no, pritchard is making a mistake! This is an Albatross contract in the making! So yeah, by comparison Dre' is a stroke of genius.

 

[tlongII]

It was definitely a BIG win for the team. KP is obviously thinking like I am that our biggest need is at PF. We just couldn't get a deal done in that area. Miller will definitely help us and hopefully Pendergraph can provide us with enough in the limited minutes he will play.