Bynum vs Oden: Playoff Edition

[Nate4Prez]

Can someone 'per' the stats for both players please.

 

[LameR]

Kingspeed, master of jumping to conclusions based off of a single event, strikes again!

 

[KingSpeed]

Kingspeed, master of jumping to conclusions based off of a single event, strikes again!

What conclusions did I jump to?

 

[Nikolokolus]

I just find it funny your so finicky. One day Oden is a huge bust, the next day he'll smack Bynum around. You're all over the place with your predictions. Being even keel makes it more enjoyable to understand your viewpoints, a trait most Blazer fans, including myself just don't have.

Welcome to Jeckyllandhyde park.

 

[EHL]

I never said Oden was a huge bust. I never said he'd smack Bynum around. I make more observations than predictions. For now, Oden and Bynum are merely role players on their teams. Yes, Bynum could score a lot in a particular game, but he can also disappear in another.

No actually, he's quite consistent and far more so than Oden. He had a better statistical season than Oden did this past year (20.0 vs. 18.1 PER) and was simply better as a defensive anchor, as numbers and mostly observation show. Clinging to 2 games in the playoffs where his best efforts was during garbage time smacks of desperation. I'd get used to the idea of being wrong, though, both short and long term.

 

[Brand New]

Considering his shots are all dunks, I'm fine with him cracking backboards when he shoots.

He really is going to accomplish a lot by just dunking.

 

[KingSpeed]

No actually, he's quite consistent and far more so than Oden. He had a better statistical season than Oden did this past year (20.0 vs. 18.1 PER) and was simply better as a defensive anchor, as numbers and mostly observation show. Clinging to 2 games in the playoffs where his best efforts was during garbage time smacks of desperation. I'd get used to the idea of being wrong, though, both short and long term.

Bynum has grabbed 3.5 rebounds per game against an Okur-less Jazz team at home. Consistent, I guess. Consistently sub par.

 

[EHL]

Bynum has grabbed 3.5 rebounds per game against an Okur-less Jazz team at home. Consistent, I guess. Consistently sub par.

You're going to have to deal with the fact that you're not good at this arguing stuff. Especially when the amount of rebounds has been scarce anyway based on the shooting percentages of both teams.

 

[gatorpops]

No actually, he's quite consistent and far more so than Oden. He had a better statistical season than Oden did this past year (20.0 vs. 18.1 PER) and was simply better as a defensive anchor, as numbers and mostly observation show. Clinging to 2 games in the playoffs where his best efforts was during garbage time smacks of desperation. I'd get used to the idea of being wrong, though, both short and long term.

Maybe Oden would be better if he had Coby petting his head?

Oden had played only about a half of a season and Bynum has played like four half seasons. He should be further along.

Oden will be the better player next year however and my yet have the better post season this year IMHO.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

He had a better statistical season than Oden did this past year (20.0 vs. 18.1 PER)

Is that all the gap between them? In a year where everyone was DROOLING over Bynum and he was playing out of his mind, while the cries that Oden was a complete bust were deafening? 1.9 PER?

and was simply better as a defensive anchor, as numbers and mostly observation show.

I'd like to see those numbers. Plus/Minus comparison, please.

And whose observation? I don't think I'd regard you as an unbiased observer.

Clinging to 2 games in the playoffs where his best efforts was during garbage time smacks of desperation. I'd get used to the idea of being wrong, though, both short and long term.

Makes you wonder why Bynum is only playing in garbage time if he's so great? I guess he has shown himself to be incredibly injury-prone, so they'd best be cautious with his glassy bones.

I don't imagine he's very happy about it, though. Given his public pronouncements, Andrew's got quite a high opinion of his abilities. Hope you've got him signed to a long-term contract, because he might get a little tired of playing second-fiddle to the scruffy Spaniard.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

He really is going to accomplish a lot by just dunking.

It'll do for now. Works for Dwight Howard, and it worked well enough for Shaq. And Greg's a much better free-thrower than either, which suggests he could develop a Patrick Ewing-style offense.

Bynum's certainly ahead of him in offensive moves, but then he's had a few years in the league to practice.

 

[KingSpeed]

You're going to have to deal with the fact that you're not good at this arguing stuff. Especially when the amount of rebounds has been scarce anyway based on the shooting percentages of both teams.

Interesting theory but then how come Boozer is averaging 9.5 rebounds per game??? Try again.

 

[EHL]

Interesting theory but then how come Boozer is averaging 9.5 rebounds per game??? Try again.

It's not a theory, it's statistical fact. And Boozer is a fantastic rebounder.

Is that all the gap between them? In a year where everyone was DROOLING over Bynum and he was playing out of his mind, while the cries that Oden was a complete bust were deafening? 1.9 PER?

I'm not sure what your point is here. Bynum has significantly exceeded expectations (of Laker fans or otherwise) since December 2007 when he finally broke out. His first couple years people were unsure. 2 PER isn't a big gap of course (though it's bigger given that he played somewhat noticably more minutes too), but I never said Bynum owned Oden. They're the same age and Bynum has done more. Both have suffered unfortunate injuries, and may both be injury-prone. We'll see.

I'd like to see those numbers. Plus/Minus comparison, please.

And whose observation? I don't think I'd regard you as an unbiased observer.

You're going to have to find them. Besides, notice how I said "mostly observation", since most defensive stats suck at capturing true defensive value. For e.g., Dwight Howard's adjusted +/- is pretty pedestrian but he was clearly DPOY this year.

Makes you wonder why Bynum is only playing in garbage time if he's so great? I guess he has shown himself to be incredibly injury-prone, so they'd best be cautious with his glassy bones.

No one can help you if you see Bynum only playing in garbage time. He has been starting and routinely playing more minutes against starters than reserves since 07. Oden? Not so much.

I don't imagine he's very happy about it, though. Given his public pronouncements, Andrew's got quite a high opinion of his abilities. Hope you've got him signed to a long-term contract, because he might get a little tired of playing second-fiddle to the scruffy Spaniard.

He signed a 4 year extension months ago, which doesn't start until next season. He's locked up.

 

[OddEnormous]

"The Generation" is at it again....

4 points 2 rebounds 5 fouls 2 TO's 7 mins.


All NBA centers bow down to the phenom that is Drew Bynum.

 

[KingSpeed]

Updated Playoff Averages:

Greg Oden 9.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.5 spg, 0.5 bpg, 63.6% FGs

Andrew Bynum 7.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.3 spg, 1.3 bpg, 44.4% FGs

 

[oldguy]

keep talkin...

Yo, Rizz! No smack talking…which of these guys will be better at the end of next season?

I’m going with Greg. From what I’ve seen, Greg’s physically stronger and at least as efficient O. Bynum may have better footwork, but I think that will change next year.

Not that I don’t think Bynum is a stud, but I don’t think he’s going to able to hang with GO after next year.

I expect you’ll be bookmarking this thread for the end of next year. I know I will.

 

[blue32]

its painfully obvious, well maybe not painfully, but Greg is definitely the better center. Bynum just doesn't seem to have that presence..

 

[OddEnormous]

its painfully obvious, well maybe not painfully, but Greg is definitely the better center. Bynum just doesn't seem to have that presence..

Which is bizarre considering we are living it what they call "The Bynum Generation"

 

[maxiep]

Bynum is just better, and you're going to learn this the hard way as the playoffs progress.

I hope we get the chance. I'd love for us to put the Rockets in our rear view mirror and face the L*kers.

 

[KingSpeed]

Updated Playoff Averages:

Greg Oden 8.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 62.5% FGs

Andrew Bynum 7.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.3 spg, 1.3 bpg, 44.4% FGs

 

[oldguy]

Greg took a big step forward tonight. His stats aren't all that, but there were stretches tonight where he played some lockdown defense on Yao.

 

[Toko]

I'd probably wait a few more games before judging stats, get a bigger sample size.

Then again, oden will be fishing in a couple more games, so maybe it's not a great idea

 

[Draco]

Greg had some awesome moments tonight. When he caught a pass and immediately attacked without thinking or hesitating he was able to get an easy dunk. He could have some big improvements next year when he learns to just play and react instead of trying to plan all his moves out.

 

[oldguy]

Greg had some awesome moments tonight. When he caught a pass and immediately attacked without thinking or hesitating he was able to get an easy dunk. He could have some big improvements next year when he learns to just play and react instead of trying to plan all his moves out.

Screw next year, I'm hoping Greg can learn and grow from this by next game!

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Screw next year, I'm hoping Greg can learn and grow from this by next game!

He's perfectly grown, but he needs the ball to produce.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Greg took a big step forward tonight. His stats aren't all that, but there were stretches tonight where he played some lockdown defense on Yao.

I admit my eyes were fixated on Greg every time he and Yao were down on the block jostling for position and I missed a lot of the other action that was taking place on the ball.

He played the 7'6" robot as well as I've ever seen a single defender. Yao couldn't move Greg off the block and he couldn't get open no mater how much he pushed and jostled. It's just too bad nobody else could step up offensively and take advantage of his performance.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

It was just amazing watching Greg do that. Kid is still coming off micro-fracture, first playoff series ever, Yao has 6 inches and probably 30 pounds on him and he couldn't do anything with Greg on him in the second half. It was just an outstanding defensive performance by Greg.

 

[KingSpeed]

Updated Playoff Averages (4/25/09):

Greg Oden 8.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 62.5% FGs

Andrew Bynum 5.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.3 spg, 1.0 bpg, 45% FGs

 

[OddEnormous]

Updated Playoff Averages (4/25/09):

Greg Oden 8.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 62.5% FGs

Andrew Bynum 5.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.3 spg, 1.0 bpg, 45% FGs

Isn't Greg Oden a rookie playing in his first playoff ever.... and a total bust, and Drew Bynum is the center of his generation playing his 4th year of NBA basketball?


I'm new to all of this so any info you can pass on would be helpful.

Thanks.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Bynum needs to learn the game before he can post... up.