Notice C.J McCollum trying to recuit Paul Millsap

[Harry's Raincoat]

Question: Do you think that "management" wants to compete now against the Warrior's or Cav's......OR.....build a team that'll compete in another 2-3 years....but sustain its run for 4-6 years??

I doubt our management has interest in Millsap at this point in his career, especially when you consider the finances and cap.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Question: Do you think that "management" wants to compete now against the Warrior's or Cav's......OR.....build a team that'll compete in another 2-3 years....but sustain its run for 4-6 years??

I doubt our management has interest in Millsap at this point in his career, especially when you consider the finances and cap.

If we have our current team with a healthy Nurkic and somehow add Milsap, we can compete with anyone.
The same may be true with adding George but in my opinion Milsap is a better fit

 

[BigGameDamian]

Question: Do you think that "management" wants to compete now against the Warrior's or Cav's......OR.....build a team that'll compete in another 2-3 years....but sustain its run for 4-6 years??

I doubt our management has interest in Millsap at this point in his career, especially when you consider the finances and cap.

Thing is there will always be teams in any generation that are dominate. Portland will pretty much always be considered a small market team so what's the fucking point of competing at all? If you get my drift. So the next 2 really dominate teams will probably be the Lakers and Celtics. Will we wait for them also and just continue building from the draft. Might as well just to a development team for the rest of the NBA.

 

[Blazinaway]

If we have our current team with a healthy Nurkic and somehow add Milsap, we can compete with anyone.
The same may be true with adding George but in my opinion Milsap is a better fit

I think you are a bit too optimistic on that, I still think Milsap it too old for the contract he will get. He may stay at this level another yr or two but thats best case IMO and given our salary situation we can't afford paying him as much as he will get for the high likelihood of declining production

 

[BBert]

CJ does this with every free agent from Paul George to Milsap to Whiteside last season.

And, according to Whiteside, we almost got Whiteside.

 

[TBpup]

He is not too old and is one of the best, most versatile PFs in the game.
With Dame, CJ, Nurkic, he would make us contenders

He's be good this next season but I want no part of the 4-year deal he is going to want at the amount of money he will demand.

 

[BonesJones]

Paul Millsap isn't even good offensively anymore.

He shoots 49% from 2pt (99 points per 100) and 31% from 3pt (93 points per 100).

He's already 32, and will get a contract of $30M per year for 4 years.

We'd likely have to give up the same amount of assets as it'd take to get PG to simply dump the salary needed to make it possible to sign Millsap.

And doing so would guarantee mediocrity for the next 4 years. Millsap is slightly better than Thad Young is currently, and is going downhill. And that dude deserves $30M a year? Hell no.

Not surprising that someone on this board thinks that'd be a great acquisition.

 

[Blazinaway]

Boston paid Horford big bucks at 30 yrs old and he already seemed to slip a bit last yr, same with LMA since he signed with SAS

 

[Sarni]

Boston paid Horford big bucks at 30 yrs old and he already seemed to slip a bit last yr, same with LMA since he signed with SAS

That's the point. Someone will pay him that sort of money. Be it Denver, or Brooklyn, or Minnesota. It doesn't matter, but someone will offer him a max deal this Summer which is exactly why we should not be looking at him.

 

[riverman]

Boston paid Horford big bucks at 30 yrs old and he already seemed to slip a bit last yr, same with LMA since he signed with SAS

Lamarcus in SA hasn't really set the town on fire either

 

[SlyPokerDog]

"Portland can't get free agents to come here!"

...

"Free agents cost a lot of money, we don't want them!"

 

[riverman]

"Portland can't get free agents to come here!"

...

"Free agents cost a lot of money, we don't want them!"

yeah...like, veteran players are too old....they'll start their decline second year of their contract....maybe they'll take less because we're nice fans!!!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

yeah...like, veteran players are too old....they'll start their decline second year of their contract....maybe they'll take less because we're nice fans!!!

It's funny when people finally realize that just because they're free agents doesn't mean they'll play for free.

 

[ripcityboy]

"Portland can't get free agents to come here!"

...

"Free agents cost a lot of money, we don't want them!"

When you have to give Evan Turner 70 million dollars.... you're better keeping the money.

 

[BonesJones]

That's the point. Someone will pay him that sort of money. Be it Denver, or Brooklyn, or Minnesota. It doesn't matter, but someone will offer him a max deal this Summer which is exactly why we should not be looking at him.

My money is on Denver or Phoenix.

 

[Sarni]

My money is on Denver or Phoenix.

Phoenix makes sense in a way, but on the other hand they have Chriss who they will want to develop (and Bender). He is still very young and should be ready to make proper impact in 2-3 years and that's when Millsap will start fading.

Millsap will get a great deal because he is actually the only good/great player in free agency who is likely to consider them.

 

[riverman]

Mason Plumlee would fit the Hawks well....he's a free agent and Millsap would work better in Denver. Faried is probably gone next season. I'd expect Will Barton to end up in Phoenix or Philly....

 

[BonesJones]

Phoenix makes sense in a way, but on the other hand they have Chriss who they will want to develop (and Bender). He is still very young and should be ready to make proper impact in 2-3 years and that's when Millsap will start fading.

Millsap will get a great deal because he is actually the only good/great player in free agency who is likely to consider them.

It wouldn't make sense for PHX but they'd consider it anyway.

Blake Griffin makes more sense for DEN and PHX, but isn't likely.

Other teams to watch Miami, Minnesota, Houston (If they trade away Ryan Anderson), Indiana (If they keep Paul George), Chicago

 

[TBpup]

Blake Griffin makes more sense for DEN and PHX, but isn't likely.

Blake Griffin....wasn't he drafted by Olshey? Doesn't that make him a cinch to come here somehow?

 

[Sarni]

It wouldn't make sense for PHX but they'd consider it anyway.

Blake Griffin makes more sense for DEN and PHX, but isn't likely.

Other teams to watch Miami, Minnesota, Houston (If they trade away Ryan Anderson), Indiana (If they keep Paul George), Chicago

I doubt anyone will take Anderson and his ridiculous deal. He belongs to the list of 2016 free agents who would have got a $9M deal had he been expiring a year before, and who people tried to argue was somehow not completely overpriced because "under new cap it will not mean much".

Chicago makes sense. Miami does too. I am not sure Minnesota have cap space, and Indiana will need to sign a point guard.

 

[BonesJones]

I doubt anyone will take Anderson and his ridiculous deal. He belongs to the list of 2016 free agents who would have got a $9M deal had he been expiring a year before, and who people tried to argue was somehow not completely overpriced because "under new cap it will not mean much".

Chicago makes sense. Miami does too. I am not sure Minnesota have cap space, and Indiana will need to sign a point guard.

A team like BKN or SAC could trade for him if they get a 1st round pick with him.

 

[Sarni]

A team like BKN or SAC could trade for him if they get a 1st round pick with him.

Maybe. Or maybe they'd not clog their salary cap with mediocre players even if it means getting additional assets.

Amazing how many terrible contracts were given last year. Really, the league bumping up the cap by over 30% in a year was ridiculous idea.

 

[GDiama]

I doubt anyone will take Anderson and his ridiculous deal. He belongs to the list of 2016 free agents who would have got a $9M deal had he been expiring a year before, and who people tried to argue was somehow not completely overpriced because "under new cap it will not mean much".

It's really funny how they kept using that last year and we see now a lot of teams trapped in silly contracts. These contracts for mediocre players mean much under every cap since the good ones (not only the best but good ones as well) will still command 25 or 30% of it.

 

[BonesJones]

Maybe. Or maybe they'd not clog their salary cap with mediocre players even if it means getting additional assets.

Amazing how many terrible contracts were given last year. Really, the league bumping up the cap by over 30% in a year was ridiculous idea.

With BKN having no picks next year, and SAC having no pick in 2019, I think its definitely possible.

 

[Sarni]

It's really funny how they kept using that last year and we see now a lot of teams trapped in silly contracts. These contracts for mediocre players mean much under every cap since the good ones (not only the best but good ones as well) will still command 25 or 30% of it.

Exactly! Getting additional $24M and spending it immediately on crap players does not get you anywhere.

IMO the most sensible team about it was Denver. They literally did not go after anyone, they did not hand out any ludicrous contract which is why they are now in position to get good free agents. Their guaranteed contracts for next season are something silly like $35M so they will be able to offer good teals to the likes of Millsap etc. and maybe get some good rotation players as well, for lower prices because this Summer there will no longer be 25 teams with $30M of available cap space.

I am still amazed how people thought it was good idea to give $17M to random players. Also, why the NBA decided to make it all available immediately, couldn't they find some workaround?

 

[Blazer4ever]

Someone else offering Milsap a big contract could actually give us leverage, if he tells the Hawks he walks for free to another team or they sign and trade with us.

 

[GDiama]

Someone else offering Milsap a big contract could actually give us leverage, if he tells the Hawks he walks for free to another team or they sign and trade with us.

I don't think Denver cares he is overpriced because they have tons of flexibility for the next 3-4 years, but for us I think it's too much. It will be around 85M between Dame, CJ and Millsap and lets estimate 20M for Nurk it means from next year we are locked at around 105M for 4 players. That should be tax repeater forever. And it's not that Millsap has many productive years ahead. Maybe 2 more?

 

[Sarni]

Someone else offering Milsap a big contract could actually give us leverage, if he tells the Hawks he walks for free to another team or they sign and trade with us.

He will get $30M a year. Are we spending $100M a year on a core of Lillard, CJ, Millsap and Nurkic who won't win us championships anyway?

 

[Sarni]

I don't think Denver cares he is overpriced because they have tons of flexibility for the next 3-4 years, but for us I think it's too much. It will be around 85M between Dame, CJ and Millsap and lets estimate 20M for Nurk it means from next year we are locked at around 105M for 4 players. That should be tax repeater forever. And it's not that Millsap has many productive years ahead. Maybe 2 more?

Yeah exactly. Devner won't care.

 

[BBert]

Lamarcus in SA hasn't really set the town on fire either

Who?