Cali and Girardi trades

[NYR2009]

I am reading posts on this forum and following all the trade rumors and this makes me very mad, not only because we are trading our heart and soul but because it seems I am the only one who is upset.

First of all, since when New York Rangers are sellers at the trade deadline? Since when we go into the season not thinking we can win the Cup? What about "the missing piece, aka Rick Nash". Why did we make that trade? So that Nash can get old too in the future that all of you seemed to always be worried about. This is a huge mistake. Stupid Sather is negotiating with Girardi over 300K? and I am sure in the summer he is going to overpay for someone just like he does every year. This is the same situation as with Colton Orr, Prust, Tytin except these players are more A list.

Second, what is this talk from Chuck about Girardi and the "millage". This is all bullshit. My wife is a Physical Therapist who treats athletes. Athletes like Girardi play until 40 without missing many games because they never have major surgery, has nothing to do with style of play. If you are concerned about players future durability, then worry about guys who had few surgeries by the age of 30, because after every surgery athletes have to compliment with another side of their body making healthy side of the body more vulnerable to other injuries. A good example is Gaborik, it is not that he is fragile, it is just he had surgery at an early age. Remember my words that Girardi will play longer in hockey than McIlarth who already had few surgeries. Girardi is made of steel and 6M per year for a stellar defensman like him is a bargain, and rumor has it that he only wants 5.5M which is a no brainier. Any team will be happy to pay him 7M and he deserves it. I wish he gets it somewhere else and wins the Cup.

With Cali, yes I agree 7M per year is a lot of 7 years due to his injury prone risk factors, however this guy is a heart and soul of this team and he needs to be on this team. If trade does happened, forget about playoffs for many years, which most of you are okay with. Cali will get traded and will win the Cup making him an 8M guy. This guy is from New York and wants to stay here, stupid Sather is worried about leverage and not letting anyone take advantage of him, meanwhile best goalie in the world is here at his prime and we are thinking about the future once again. Why did we make the Nash trade if we thinking about the future? Why are we paying Lundqvist 8.5M?

With Zuk out and Girari and Cali traded we are done. Forget about playoffs, or solid defense for many years without Girardi. McILarth will be a bust, don't count on him.

I just don't understand our fans. And by the way, Richards can be traded anytime, there is no need to buy him out. He has what 6 years left on his contract at 4.5M per year or after next season 5 years left at 3.6M per year. If he gets bought out how much do you think he will be making? At least that, which makes him a great asset to have. Here trade him and resign both Cali and Girardi and I am sure the return for Richards will be much better than two rentals.

This will be even worse than Nash trade. Dolan please fire Sather......

 

[MrSleeps]

somebody needs to smack some sense into this dude, cally doesn't make us that much better, if we didnt have cally past couple seasons same shit woulda happened oh wait he was hurt so much he wasnt there anyway.

this dude is not worth 7 mil a year, and he knows that... he is using his leverage because he is the C. you remember chris drury and that contract? and how we had to eat that for 15 goals a year because he was so "clutch" yet was never clutch for the rangers. Bad deals can make teams terrible for years.

Great franchises learn to use there talent and right when there about to decline they trade them. Look at detriot, with players such as brendan shannhan, sergei federov, etc etc they won some cups got rid of them brought new players in drafted well won more cups. we they the "heart" of the team... i bet they meant a lot and fans of detriot were upset like your upset for no reason. If cally was commanding 4-5 mil we would keep him but he isn't so it is what it is,

you shouldn't be mad at the rangers you should be mad at cally asking for that. its his fault, not the rangers... glen is doing what is the best going forward.

oh and who the hell wants brad richards? can you explain that we tried to trade him last year how did that work? theres a reason he is still here so that avenue is dead. cant trade a player making that much money unless the other team can afford and is willing to take that contract. it is what it is.

either way we are not likely to win a cup this year with or without cally, did you see how he played for team USA? terrible. so we need to move ahead and make good decisions for upcoming years.

 

[chuckd3534]

I can't read the whole novel 2009, but get your facts straight on something please. I have been saying we should re-sign Girardi for 5 years, with a cap hit in the 5's, no doubt. Replacing what he brings is VERY difficult. You are confusing me with someone else fella when you mention the mileage he has on him.

I am for sure in favor of re-signing Girardi assuming he stays in the mid 5's to upper 5's cap hit wise.

And you think a player like Cally wanting a mid 6's cap hit, and maybe even upper 6's cap hit, is fair? You think that equals him wanting to stay in NY? Disagree totally.

If he wanted to stay in NY he'd be in the 5's cap hit wise. I read the Rangers offered 6 mill per for 5 years and he said no...really? All the hockey people have said that while they love Cally he is NOT worth a 6's cap hit, and certainly not mid to upper 6's.

Now we really don't know what we offered and what he asked for, but when there is smoke there is usually fire, so I doubt what has been reported is THAT far off.

So if Cally wants to stay in NY, his contract demands certainly aren't showing that 2009...

Deal him for a solid return now, because we cannot have that big a cap number tied up in a player like Cally. That is bad business.

 

[chuckd3534]

Great post sleeps. Man you are SO off 2009. Just WAY off bro.

No one wants Richards and that contract of his. With the penalties that come with retiring early, that contract is a disaster. We cannot trade him. We simply need to buy him out this summer and move on.

I am not angry at Cally, it is his right to ask for whatever he wants, but don't you dare say he wants to stay a Ranger considering what he is asking for now...no way.

If you did feel the need to be angry at someone, as Sleeps said it should be Cally not the Rangers. That is clear to me.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Don't become emotional 2009 about players because of the past or what you might think the future will be. This is about current production and current salary demands and how they figure into the cap.

 

[theProdigy223]

Does 2009 even read this forum? Everyone here (besides 71) really wants Girardi back. Everyone here wants Richards gone. NO team out there is going to trade for him with his cap hit and years, I don't know why you think that's a possibility. As for Cally, if you think he is a 7m dollar player thank god you are not running this team. There isn't a hockey person out there who thinks he's worth that, only Ranger fans who like him as a player. Players who can't break 55 points in a season do not get 7m dollar contracts.

He wants to get paid, he doesn't want to be here. Buffalo will give him his money and he can go lose there for the remainder of his career. I like cally as much as anybody but it's clear he wants money over being here. And since that's the case, he must be traded. That's life in the NHL

 

[chuckd3534]

2/26/14: 8:28AM: “It’s all about the negotiation and pending UFA have the hammer, that is why Ryan Callahan feels gutsy enough to ask for for almost $7 million per year. He isn’t going to get that but you gotta ask it and start a negotiation.” (Darren Dreger on TSN 1050)

 

[chuckd3534]

And that is the point. Don't tell me it is on the Rangers when a player of Cally's level and ability is asking for almost 7 mill per. Dreger is dead on that he can ask for that, but at some point he needs to come back to reality and accept a fair deal OR understand he will not be a New York Ranger.

That is up to Cally to decide what is more important to him.

Like I have been saying, I bet he can get a 6 mill + per cap hit deal for 5 years or more from some team, it only takes one, but that still doesn't mean he is worth that across the board, and it certainly doesn't mean it is a smart move by the Rangers.

I am fine with however Cally wants to play this, if he wants the big money awesome for him, but do NOT tell me I wanted to be a Ranger and ask for nearly 7 mill per. That is where I get bothered.

 

[theProdigy223]

There isn't a competitive team out there built to win that will pay him 7m per over 7 years. The only teams that will give him that are teams like buffalo which are gonna struggle to reach the cap floor and have nothing but youngsters on the books. If he would rather play for a team like that, that's his call.

If I'm Sather maybe I offer him an extra year at 6m. Maybe I stay at 5 years and go up to 6.2m per. Even thats pushing it. But if that still isn't good enough, time to move on.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

There is always a team stupid enough to pay players under 30 a ton of money.

 

[Disturbed]

There is always a team stupid enough to pay players under 30 a ton of money.

In the case of the Rangers its usually a player OVER 30 and its us who pay them a ton of money as UFA LOL

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Bingo! They have gotten better not doing that. It used to be every year. Now, they seem to be not willing to do that.

 

[mrmel29]

The bottom line is cally's production doesn't equate to anywhere near a 7 mill per year contract. It is more in the 5.5 mill range and by offering 6 mill sather has already gone above and beyond what he reasonably should have to retain cally. It is time for the captain to go. We can't get equal value for a rental so line up the offers and on the trade deadline day take the best one you have. Still sounds like they are close enough with girardi that something will get done there. But if not see scenario for cally on trade deadline day.

 

[NYR2009]

Why can't we win? Why are we always planning for the future? Why are we sellers? Yet, we overpay for Clowe with 2nd and 4th, give up our own 1st pick for Nash who has been horrible until lately, but yet when it comes to our decent players we are sellers. Let the guys play out this season, see where we are and instead of giving up our own 2nd and 3rd for a rental keep the rental and keep your picks. Whatever happens, happens. If Cali goes, then so be it.

 

[NYR2009]

Sather will overpay in the summer anyway, like he always does and yet he is trying to save a penny on Girardi. This drives me mad.

 

[Disturbed]

Why can't we win? Why are we always planning for the future? Why are we sellers? Yet, we overpay for Clowe with 2nd and 4th, give up our own 1st pick for Nash who has been horrible until lately, but yet when it comes to our decent players we are sellers. Let the guys play out this season, see where we are and instead of giving up our own 2nd and 3rd for a rental keep the rental and keep your picks. Whatever happens, happens. If Cali goes, then so be it.

So you are in favor of giving "homegrown" Cally 6 years @6.75m even though he has gotten over 50 pts once and is almost 29

 

[theProdigy223]

How does this make us sellers? We're not looking for just picks for him, have you noticed that all the trade rumors involve getting a top 9 forward back?

Letting him play out the year then walk for nothing makes even less sense than giving him his 6.75m. We already know what his price is, if Sather won't pay it then you get something for him. Hockey 101

 

[Ranger71]

Why can't we win? Why are we always planning for the future? Why are we sellers? Yet, we overpay for Clowe with 2nd and 4th, give up our own 1st pick for Nash who has been horrible until lately, but yet when it comes to our decent players we are sellers. Let the guys play out this season, see where we are and instead of giving up our own 2nd and 3rd for a rental keep the rental and keep your picks. Whatever happens, happens. If Cali goes, then so be it.

He should be trying to save on both, neither are near 6.5m players. Don't confuse being the captain or logging 22m every night with price. For where Girardi was drafted he's been a great find but he's not a 6m player. He wouldnt be a top pair guy on half the teams in the league.

 

[NYR1962]

Actually, Girardi wasn't drafted. He was a FA signing. I agree quibbling over a few hundred thousand is ridiculous and stupid if it's true.

I love Cally but holy smoke. He's probably worth around 5 per, and I'd even go to 6 for 5 years with the cap increase and his intagibles. The reported offer is more than fair. His agent says 6.75 for 7 is already a discount? Wow! Buffalo probably will give him what he wants and he can play close to home in obscurity. They're probably the only team that would offer anything close to what he's asking. Insanity to give him that deal.

 

[NYR2009]

Disturbed, I am not okay with Cali's asking price, I am saying there is not much we can get for him. He is a rental just like any other rental. Go for it this season with Cali. Add someone else instead to help win this season, LA won being 8th and barely making it. This makes sense to me, so that the "missing piece" shows what he can do. I am tired of this future crap and imbecile scouting. McIlarath before Fowler. You don't even need to stupid scouts, just read the yearly reports for million publications.

 

[Ranger71]

Colorado is another possible landing spot, maybe for McGinn and a prospect like Elliott.

 

[MrSleeps]

2009 what you don't understand is that if we wait untill after the season we are going to have to pay more for him because now he has offers from other teams so throw that out of the books, if he finishes this season with the rangers 100% he isn't coming back. also we are not getting a rental we are trying to get st louis a great goal scorer, did you forget zucc is hurt? whose going to replace him?

are you going to wait 10 games to realize that we are gonna struggle to score then say "we shoulda traded for a goal scorer" better trade cally get something back yet be it for 2 years and move on. its business, why your so attached to cally is beyond me, hes got heart but he isn't patrick kane.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Why can't we win? Why are we always planning for the future? Why are we sellers? Yet, we overpay for Clowe with 2nd and 4th, give up our own 1st pick for Nash who has been horrible until lately, but yet when it comes to our decent players we are sellers. Let the guys play out this season, see where we are and instead of giving up our own 2nd and 3rd for a rental keep the rental and keep your picks. Whatever happens, happens. If Cali goes, then so be it.

when was the last time this team was a seller?
The only reason is because the player has overvalued himself, this is not giving up the season, this is making sure we get something for an asset who clearly doesn't want to be here next season

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Rangers have a very similar player to Callahan in Miller to replace him. I think Miller will be a very good pro. They also have another player in Lindberg to replace another forward. Lindberg is really good. He gets better every year. Fast if he can bulk up a little can possibly be a good pro. Duclair they just stole. All of them can flat out skate. Cally is not a top skater. He really doesn't fit the team like Richards doesn't. I mean, Boyle on the 4th line is different. Your 4th line grinds.

Girardi really shut everybody up when he adjusted to the system. Including me. I thought he wasn't going to do it. I have no problem giving Girardi 6 years, 36 million because he's the type of defenseman that will play a long time. Now, I wasn't for giving Girardi that type of money if they signed Cally. However, once Cally lost his mind, bringing back Girardi is the right move.

 

[Ranger71]

They're discussing trading Girardi to Anaheim for Vatanen and I'd assume something else. He's an exciting prospect with a great shot but they'd also need a dman in the deal to fill in the rest of this year. Maybe Sbisa or Allen also plus a draft pick or something.

 

[panzerporter]

If Girardi comes back for under $6 mil/year he's truly showing that, unlike Callahan, he wants to remain a Ranger and Dan's probably doing so against the advice of his agent. Girardi in my opinion can easily get $6+ this summer for however many years he wants. Callahan's turning down of Sather's much too generous 5 years $30 mil shows that unlike Girardi, he's all about the money and financial security which is a sound business decision and totally his perogative. What's not to like about Cally? He gets a shot thanks to injuries and through 100% effort on all those intangibles (except scoring) forces Renney to play him but now wants to be one of the highest paid 45-50 point scoring forwards in NHL history. This isn't the Captain Mark Messier asking for top dollar, this is Ryan Callahan, a guy who isn't a top 50 scorer and whose physical play diminishes each year as the average size of an NHL player increases. Heart's not worth an extra $2 mil per year.

As far as McIlrath goes I don't see how any credible evaluation can be given with two NHL games under his belt and comparing him to Cam Fowler is ridiculous. Go Figure, Fowler has 25 assists playing for the explosive Duck offense. If you're going to gush about Fowler's superiority to McIlrath ask yourself who would win a fight between the two? because that's why Glen took McIlrath, to clear the crease and keep other teams honest.

 

[NYR2009]

Okay, I had a chance to read all your responses.

I think most of you missing my point. If we had a different GM, I am with you guys however we have Sather who is going to OVERPAY in he offseason to replace Cali because there will be a huge void after Cali is gone. This will be the same Brashear to replace Colton Orr or Dorsett to replace Prust. It is not all about the numbers, it is about presence which Cali brings. My point was why overpay to replace Cali, instead of overpay to Cali? Cali wants 6.75 for 7 give him 6.5 for 6. I am sure he will accept, but no Sather has to show that he is the stubborn GM who will not budge.

And how getting St.Louis is the future? The dude is 90 in hockey years and most of you agree that we cannot win this year anyway. Are you all banking on next year?

This whole thing just does not make sense to me and how Girardi is not yet signed is beyond me. The guy is on a top PK unit year after year which is top 10 in the league consistently. Someone said Girardi will not be a top pair on most NHL teams? This is exactly why we do not win, too much tunrover at the core which only occur on this Ranger team. No wonder we suck.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Who gives a rats ass about Cam Fowler. This team is one of the best defensive teams in hockey every year. They drafted a kid in Skjei who is basically a Fowler clone. Better defensively. better skater with a little less offense. Minnesota doesn't use him offensively but he has offensive skill.

The team has been run over by guys like Lucic for the past 2 years. What they need is McIlrath. Not Fowler. Get over it already.