California going to Legalize Weed?

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Well if you want stem cell research in your state, Californians have to pay for it. That's the way it goes. Nobody from other states is going to have to pay for it. It will pay off in the long run though because now those businesses will be based there. At least a few of them will make it, much like Pharmeceutical companies of the past.

I voted against it. There is little accountability and was done purely based on the hype at the time. Taxpayers shouldn't be funding private, for profit companies and allowing them to set up shop. $6 billlion dollar bond over 10 years. ridiculous. meanwhile, hospitals left and right are closing due to bad management and lack of funding.

 

[hasoos]

I voted against it. There is little accountability and was done purely based on the hype at the time. Taxpayers shouldn't be funding private companies and allowing them to set up shop.

Yea well considering that no other states were offering funding, California basically gave themselves a monopoly on that industry, which IMO was a great move. Those businesses will make it, and they will be as profitable as pharmaceutical companies. That in the end will be good for the state. They also weren't directly funding the businesses. They were funding research. The only restriction was it had to take place in California. The government has been funding research of various types for years, this is nothing new.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Yea well considering that no other states were offering funding, California basically gave themselves a monopoly on that industry, which IMO was a great move. Those businesses will make it, and they will be as profitable as pharmaceutical companies. That in the end will be good for the state. They also weren't directly funding the businesses. They were funding research. The only restriction was it had to take place in California. The government has been funding research of various types for years, this is nothing new.

If a business thinks its a good business, they should fund it themselves, not the California taxpayer. In the end, this is fucking over the state which is out of money and spending themselves into hell. Look at the current situation for the state.

This was passed over 4 years ago already (prop 71). Great job at stimulating the economy, eh?

The problem with things like Stem Cell Research and "green energy", something that California is trying to be pioneers in, is that it is impractical, costs a shitload of money..but in the eyes of most of california, its them being progressive for the sake of being progressive. So the state issues loans, bonds, tax incentives and all of that for basically technologies that are not-profitable, too expensive, not developed, and are basically "feel good social mesures". Look at solar energy, do you know how fucking expensive it is to set up one of those systems? You won't get to recoup your costs for like 20 years....its a microcosm of california, it really is.

Its the most fucked state right now, and I blame spending on these types of programs as well as the amount of welfare paid out by the state.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Weed is another example. Its trying yet again to be a "social pioneer" here. While it will generate tax revenue, its just the general attitude of california which keeps on getting itself fucked more and more into debt. Its so obsessed with being so socially responsible, they don't take the bottom line into consideration.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

speak of the devil....

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=av6QSiI5BuOI&refer=us

A satellite launched from California failed to reach orbit today, crashing into the sea near Antarctica and dooming a $273 million mission to study global- warming gases.

“The mission is lost,” National Aeronautics and Space Administration spokesman Steve Cole said in a telephone interview from the launch site at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.

The NASA satellite was to orbit 438 miles (705 kilometers) above Earth and observe how carbon dioxide enters and leaves the atmosphere, helping scientists predict future increases in the main greenhouse gas blamed for global warming. Instead, the satellite fell into the ocean near Antarctica. The mission manager said at no point did the craft pass over land.

“It’s a huge disappointment for the entire team who have worked very hard for years and years and years,” NASA Launch Director Chuck Dovale said in a briefing from California. “Even when you do your very best, you can still fail.”

The Orbiting Carbon Observatory satellite didn’t reach orbit after a 1:55 a.m. launch because the “payload fairing” failed to separate, NASA said. The fairing covers the top of the satellite during launch and needs to come off so the satellite can detach from the rocket and enter orbit.

‘Novel Information’

“It’s disappointing because it was giving us novel information to help us move our understanding forward on global warming,” Alan O’Neill, science director of the Reading, U.K.- based Centre for Earth Observation, said in an interview.

yeah yeah yeah, federally funded likely but shit..there goes another $273 million fucking dollars!

 

[Haakzilla]

I don't really smoke weed anymore. Don't like how it mellows me out, I like to be...wired.

...they actually breed different strains that make you feel WIRED, rather than mellowed out and lazy [it is great for the day time and any other activities!]

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

...they actually breed different strains that make you feel WIRED, rather than mellowed out and lazy [it is great for the day time and any other activities!]

Yeah, the laced shit?

 

[mgb]

...they actually breed different strains that make you feel WIRED, rather than mellowed out and lazy [it is great for the day time and any other activities!]

Sativa more up, indica more couch lock.

 

[mgb]

Not only will Cal make a lot on taxes, they'll save a lot in legal matters.

 

[Haakzilla]

Yeah, the laced shit?

...no lacing needed. It is in the chemical make-up of the bud itself. As mgb said, the Sativa strains are the ones that give you the upper feelings...pretty incredible stuff really...science and technology is incredible!!!

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

we'll see. hate smoking weed when i have shit to do, i get too sleepy and mellow.

 

[Haakzilla]

we'll see. hate smoking weed when i have shit to do, i get too sleepy and mellow.

...I felt the same way, but this new medicinal shit is really a different high [I too hated to mellow out and sink into the couch, but I equate this new stuff to coffee!!!]

 

[blazerboy30]

welfare, octamoms and 6 billion to fund stem cell research (which shouldn't have to fall solely on california taxpayers).

oh yeah, also our state legislators are going around the fucking world. look up fabian nunez, that fool was ballin' it up on the state's dime.

i'll dig up the artipcle

I read somewhere that California has to take it's budget, and then add 10% to cover programs for illegal aliens. That is a pretty decent chuck of change when you consider how huge our budget is here.

 

[mgb]

...no lacing needed. It is in the chemical make-up of the bud itself. As mgb said, the Sativa strains are the ones that give you the upper feelings...pretty incredible stuff really...science and technology is incredible!!!

One bad effect is often it can make you more paranoid/anxious compared to indica strains.

 

[hasoos]

One bad effect is often it can make you more paranoid/anxious compared to indica strains.

You ever seen that "Ed Hume Superbud". Its supposed to the the MOAB (Mother of All Buds!)

 

[Haakzilla]

You ever seen that "Ed Hume Superbud". Its supposed to the the MOAB (Mother of All Buds!)

...no, but one of the "drug stores" that I frequent had something called Vanilla Kush and that shit was stronger than any wheelchair weed that I have ever had [felt like I had eaten an entire batch of grandma's brownies...I was paralyzed for hours]

 

[mgb]

You ever seen that "Ed Hume Superbud". Its supposed to the the MOAB (Mother of All Buds!)

I have heard of Superbud, not sure if it's the same.

I was a fan Cinderella 99 by the Brothers Grimm. High of a sativa strain, but the growing habits of a indica strain. When I used pot for pain I spent $75 for 5 seeds of C99 from Heaven's Stairway. Best $75 I ever spent!

http://www.hemcy.at/oscommerce/images/Cinderella99a.jpg

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Hmm... I could probably buy a winter home in Santa Barbara for a fraction of the price these days.

Btw, weed isn't a drug!

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

doubtful, high desire areas don't usually fluctuate that much, esp in bad markets. people always want to live by the beach...its the tract housing that's more fucked.

 

[blazerboy30]

Yea well considering that no other states were offering funding, California basically gave themselves a monopoly on that industry, which IMO was a great move. Those businesses will make it, and they will be as profitable as pharmaceutical companies. That in the end will be good for the state.

The problem with this line of logic is that California doesn't have problems due to lack of industry, or lack of economy, or lack of business, etc. We have issues due to the ridiculous spending and number of people we have to support.

 

[Shapecity]

Will it be legal under federal law though?

Weed is practically legal in the state of California already. There's plenty of medical marijuana businesses, I have some friends who own and operate a couple, and you just need a prescription from a doctor to buy from them.

The City of Mendocia's economy is pretty much funded by weed. There was good documentary on it by CNN.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

Someone summarize this thread for me!

 

[mgb]

Someone summarize this thread for me!

Read the thread yourself!

 

[hasoos]

The problem with this line of logic is that California doesn't have problems due to lack of industry, or lack of economy, or lack of business, etc. We have issues due to the ridiculous spending and number of people we have to support.

That is actually the completely wrong way of looking at things. You are saying that because of the way that your government is spending money, they shouldn't invest in technology which will bring in more money. Those are two exclusive issues. One is an investment which will, down the line, bring in more revenue for the state. A lot more revenue. Secondly you are saying that California doesn't have any problems with lack of industry or lack of economy? What is California exclusively lacking with the problem the rest of the country has with unemployment and economic problems? No they aren't. So I have no idea what you are talking about up above.

Lastly, did you ever stop to think that medical research that benefits mankind has to paid for from somewhere. Research isn't free. The benefit is, down the line it saves peoples lives or improves their quality of life while suffering from medical isdues.

 

[blazerboy30]

That is actually the completely wrong way of looking at things. You are saying that because of the way that your government is spending money, they shouldn't invest in technology which will bring in more money. Those are two exclusive issues.

No, that isn't what I'm saying. Don't build strawmen.
The way California spends money, they should be letting the much more efficient private sector handle things. As Eric mentioned, California and its government always thinks they are being so progressive, without looking at the alternative side of things.

One is an investment which will, down the line, bring in more revenue for the state. A lot more revenue.

California doesn't have a revenue problem. We clearly have efficiency and spending problems.

Secondly you are saying that California doesn't have any problems with lack of industry or lack of economy? What is California exclusively lacking with the problem the rest of the country has with unemployment and economic problems? No they aren't.

Can not parse.

So I have no idea what you are talking about up above.

I know you don't know what I'm talking about. But if you lived here you would.

Lastly, did you ever stop to think that medical research that benefits mankind has to paid for from somewhere. Research isn't free. The benefit is, down the line it saves peoples lives or improves their quality of life while suffering from medical isdues.

Ironic coming from somebody that, if I remember correctly, fully supports nationalized or social healthcare. I'm perfectly fine with medical research. It turns out, around here, we are really good at it without the government getting in the way.

 

[Chutney]

I hope this actually goes through. It'd be a major step forward. Since Canada's too cowardly to differ from American policy, our best bet is to hope that the US can change some of their illogical drug policies.